Instructor Night Currency

flyboy04 · August 2nd, 2004, 00:38

I was told at one point that if im "giving instruction" at night that the 3 takeoff and landings toa full stop at night in the previos 90 days doesnt apply. Well i cant find anything in the regs to back that up, i could understand if i had a commercial student who was night current, but this is my guys first night flight, I feel 100% confident flying at night, but i really dont wanna get in trouble because of bad info, its been at least 4 months since my last night flight, any one got any suggestions on what i should do?

EatSleepFly · August 2nd, 2004, 00:54

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any one got any suggestions on what i should do?

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Go do three night takeoffs and landings and get night current again. Until you do, you're not legal to fly with this guy at night.

Ralgha · August 2nd, 2004, 01:17

I second that. Challenge yourself to see how few hobbs ticks you can do three stop-and-go night landings while remaining completely legal and safe (i.e. no skipping the runup/preflight checks, and flying the pattern each time, etc.).

E_Dawg · August 2nd, 2004, 01:49

I tried that the other day... got 0.7 for four landings [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] ; didn't help that the controller was pissed off and I was one of 3 in the pattern, all doing full stop taxi backs. Shortest flight so far was 0.2 but that was only one landing [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

Alchemy · August 2nd, 2004, 02:14

I managed 3 stop'n'goes in .3 on the hobbs at a Class C field. Give me an uncontrolled airport with a simple layout and I could probably manage 3 in .2.

Ralgha · August 2nd, 2004, 12:34

Well I wasn't going to bring it up, but since others did...I got 3 stop-and-goes in on .2 hobbs, startup to shutdown from the tiedown and back. I'm going for .1 next time.

flyboy04 · August 2nd, 2004, 15:10

Thanks guys, just making sure there wasnt some reg i didnt know of. Looks like the competitions on, i got a plane scheduled for tonight and im gonna try to get it done it .2 or less. We shall see! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

MidlifeFlyer · August 2nd, 2004, 20:11

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I was told at one point that if im "giving instruction" at night that the 3 takeoff and landings toa full stop at night in the previos 90 days doesnt apply. Well i cant find anything in the regs to back that up,

[/ QUOTE ]...because whoever told you that was wrong. Figured I'd mention that since no one else did.

An instructional flight is still a flight operation that requires only one crewmember - the person who is acting as PIC. (unless, of course, the aircraft itself is type-certificated to require more than one pilot). The other person in the cockpit, whether non-pilot, student pilot, CFI or ATP, is nothing more than a passenger.

viper548 · August 2nd, 2004, 20:27

Do you consider the student a passenger? I'd say if you're giving instruction, then you need to be current. What if it was two instructors, both noncurrent, and plan to do approaches under the hood? Both are required, neither are current.

flyboy04 · August 3rd, 2004, 00:37

Well got it done and it was no trouble, i dont even think im gonna be charged. Took me .4 though so looks like im not as fast as you guys. From now on i plan to stay night current to avoid worrying with it!

MidlifeFlyer · August 3rd, 2004, 12:42

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Do you consider the student a passenger? I'd say if you're giving instruction, then you need to be current. What if it was two instructors, both noncurrent, and plan to do approaches under the hood? Both are required, neither are current.

[/ QUOTE ] You can go crazy with the permutations on this.

Sometimes the CFI is the passenger. Remember that a CFI does not need to be current in order to instruct. She needs to be current to act as PIC. So, for example, if the CFI is teaching a commercial applicant who is qualified and is acting as PIC, the CFI can be someone who lost her medical due to poor eyesight and hasn't done a landing in12 years.

In the two CFIs doing instrument practice, two are not required crew all of the time. During visual portions of the flight only one crewmember is required. So one of them, the one who is acting as PIC, still needs to be current. The other CFI is a pasenger.

August 2nd, 2004, 00:38	#1
flyboy04 Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 288	Instructor Night Currency I was told at one point that if im "giving instruction" at night that the 3 takeoff and landings toa full stop at night in the previos 90 days doesnt apply. Well i cant find anything in the regs to back that up, i could understand if i had a commercial student who was night current, but this is my guys first night flight, I feel 100% confident flying at night, but i really dont wanna get in trouble because of bad info, its been at least 4 months since my last night flight, any one got any suggestions on what i should do?

August 2nd, 2004, 00:54	#2
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: Instructor Night Currency [ QUOTE ] any one got any suggestions on what i should do? [/ QUOTE ] Go do three night takeoffs and landings and get night current again. Until you do, you're not legal to fly with this guy at night.

August 2nd, 2004, 01:17	#3
Ralgha Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 912	Re: Instructor Night Currency I second that. Challenge yourself to see how few hobbs ticks you can do three stop-and-go night landings while remaining completely legal and safe (i.e. no skipping the runup/preflight checks, and flying the pattern each time, etc.).

August 2nd, 2004, 01:49	#4
E_Dawg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: chicago Posts: 4,164	Re: Instructor Night Currency I tried that the other day... got 0.7 for four landings [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/crazy.gif[/img] ; didn't help that the controller was pissed off and I was one of 3 in the pattern, all doing full stop taxi backs. Shortest flight so far was 0.2 but that was only one landing [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

August 2nd, 2004, 02:14	#5
Alchemy Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2001 Location: Austin, TX, USA Posts: 1,747	Re: Instructor Night Currency I managed 3 stop'n'goes in .3 on the hobbs at a Class C field. Give me an uncontrolled airport with a simple layout and I could probably manage 3 in .2.

August 2nd, 2004, 12:34	#6
Ralgha Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Location: Fresno, CA Posts: 912	Re: Instructor Night Currency Well I wasn't going to bring it up, but since others did...I got 3 stop-and-goes in on .2 hobbs, startup to shutdown from the tiedown and back. I'm going for .1 next time.

August 2nd, 2004, 15:10	#7
flyboy04 Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 288	Re: Instructor Night Currency Thanks guys, just making sure there wasnt some reg i didnt know of. Looks like the competitions on, i got a plane scheduled for tonight and im gonna try to get it done it .2 or less. We shall see! [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/grin.gif[/img]

August 2nd, 2004, 20:11	#8
MidlifeFlyer Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver Colorado Posts: 2,952	Re: Instructor Night Currency [ QUOTE ] I was told at one point that if im "giving instruction" at night that the 3 takeoff and landings toa full stop at night in the previos 90 days doesnt apply. Well i cant find anything in the regs to back that up, [/ QUOTE ]...because whoever told you that was wrong. Figured I'd mention that since no one else did. An instructional flight is still a flight operation that requires only one crewmember - the person who is acting as PIC. (unless, of course, the aircraft itself is type-certificated to require more than one pilot). The other person in the cockpit, whether non-pilot, student pilot, CFI or ATP, is nothing more than a passenger.

August 2nd, 2004, 20:27	#9
viper548 Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 813	Re: Instructor Night Currency Do you consider the student a passenger? I'd say if you're giving instruction, then you need to be current. What if it was two instructors, both noncurrent, and plan to do approaches under the hood? Both are required, neither are current.

August 3rd, 2004, 00:37	#10
flyboy04 Junior Member Join Date: May 2003 Posts: 288	Re: Instructor Night Currency Well got it done and it was no trouble, i dont even think im gonna be charged. Took me .4 though so looks like im not as fast as you guys. From now on i plan to stay night current to avoid worrying with it!

August 3rd, 2004, 12:42	#11
MidlifeFlyer Old Skool Join Date: May 2003 Location: Denver Colorado Posts: 2,952	Re: Instructor Night Currency [ QUOTE ] Do you consider the student a passenger? I'd say if you're giving instruction, then you need to be current. What if it was two instructors, both noncurrent, and plan to do approaches under the hood? Both are required, neither are current. [/ QUOTE ] You can go crazy with the permutations on this. Sometimes the CFI is the passenger. Remember that a CFI does not need to be current in order to instruct. She needs to be current to act as PIC. So, for example, if the CFI is teaching a commercial applicant who is qualified and is acting as PIC, the CFI can be someone who lost her medical due to poor eyesight and hasn't done a landing in12 years. In the two CFIs doing instrument practice, two are not required crew all of the time. During visual portions of the flight only one crewmember is required. So one of them, the one who is acting as PIC, still needs to be current. The other CFI is a pasenger.

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