Who is required to be type-rated?

KBC · July 14th, 2004, 08:09

Is the copilot required to be type-rated?

Cheechako · July 14th, 2004, 08:22

No. The copilot at an airline isn't even required to hold an ATP certificate.

KBC · July 14th, 2004, 08:47

Why kind of training does the copilot go through? CRM? Is this training later counted when he/she does the upgrade training?

MDPilot · July 14th, 2004, 09:26

The first officer training is usually the same training that the Capt recieves. The only difference is in the oral exam and the type of maneuvers (and obviously the seat location) accomplished on the simulator checkride. Some first officers do recieve type ratings, if the aircraft they are training on requires a relief pilot for overwater flights (ie 767/777.) When the Captain goes to the back and rests, the replacement pilot must have a type rating.

C650CPT · July 14th, 2004, 21:30

It just depends ...

In the US there is no FAA requirement for Copilots to be type rated, but in alot of other ICAO countries, Canada included, both pilots are required to be type rated.

While there is no FAA requirement, the insurance companies are pushing to have both crew members typed. My company just renewed our policy and they put a rider on our program that both pilots have to be typed. That's not a problem most of the time as both of us are typed, but it limits our pool or part timers, none of which are typed. Spending 27K on a part timer is not the answer so we went through the same argument with the insurance company who will "authorize" on a case by case base who can fly with us part time. Our current pool of part timers average over 6000 flight hours and have either flown for a major airline or for the Military, so its not like we are trying to pull one over on the insurance company. Its a shadow of what is comeing to the US.

Jim

KBC · July 15th, 2004, 07:17

thanks

8LegDay · July 31st, 2004, 11:18

I know at some companies (all?) they type FO's for International ops.

Bandit_Driver · July 31st, 2004, 14:49

US SIC's flying in Canada do not need to be typed in the aircraft. I know this for a fact from my previous employer. We flew Lears to Canada daily and only the PIC was type in the aircraft. These ops were conducted under 91 and 135. I am not sure about 121 operations into canada.

I am pretty sure PSA doesn't type their FO on the jets they fly into Canada under 121.

FlyboyZR1 · July 31st, 2004, 18:02

U.S. 121 Carrier FO's don't need to be typed to fly into Canada.

8LegDay · July 31st, 2004, 21:16

The Captain I am flying with this month used to fly for TWA back in the day and his ATP check ride was a type ride in a 767!!!
He was a 767 FO and TWA typed them sincethey were doing some Int. stuff.

seagull · August 3rd, 2004, 04:00

F/O's are type rated when they act as relief pilots. Have to have at least one type rated pilot in front for U.S. carriers during rest breaks.

July 14th, 2004, 08:09	#1
KBC Newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: SoCal, ERAU Graduate Posts: 16	Who is required to be type-rated? Is the copilot required to be type-rated?

July 14th, 2004, 08:22	#2
Cheechako Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Wasilla, AK Posts: 981	Re: Who is required to be type-rated? No. The copilot at an airline isn't even required to hold an ATP certificate.

July 14th, 2004, 08:47	#3
KBC Newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: SoCal, ERAU Graduate Posts: 16	Re: Who is required to be type-rated? Why kind of training does the copilot go through? CRM? Is this training later counted when he/she does the upgrade training?

July 14th, 2004, 09:26	#4
MDPilot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southeast US Posts: 776	Re: Who is required to be type-rated? The first officer training is usually the same training that the Capt recieves. The only difference is in the oral exam and the type of maneuvers (and obviously the seat location) accomplished on the simulator checkride. Some first officers do recieve type ratings, if the aircraft they are training on requires a relief pilot for overwater flights (ie 767/777.) When the Captain goes to the back and rests, the replacement pilot must have a type rating.

July 14th, 2004, 21:30	#5
C650CPT Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Home Sweet Home! Posts: 957	Re: Who is required to be type-rated? It just depends ... In the US there is no FAA requirement for Copilots to be type rated, but in alot of other ICAO countries, Canada included, both pilots are required to be type rated. While there is no FAA requirement, the insurance companies are pushing to have both crew members typed. My company just renewed our policy and they put a rider on our program that both pilots have to be typed. That's not a problem most of the time as both of us are typed, but it limits our pool or part timers, none of which are typed. Spending 27K on a part timer is not the answer so we went through the same argument with the insurance company who will "authorize" on a case by case base who can fly with us part time. Our current pool of part timers average over 6000 flight hours and have either flown for a major airline or for the Military, so its not like we are trying to pull one over on the insurance company. Its a shadow of what is comeing to the US. Jim

July 15th, 2004, 07:17	#6
KBC Newbie Join Date: Aug 2002 Location: SoCal, ERAU Graduate Posts: 16	Re: Who is required to be type-rated? thanks

July 31st, 2004, 11:18	#7
8LegDay Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 154	Re: Who is required to be type-rated? I know at some companies (all?) they type FO's for International ops.

July 31st, 2004, 14:49	#8
Bandit_Driver Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2003 Location: DTW Posts: 1,759	Re: Who is required to be type-rated? US SIC's flying in Canada do not need to be typed in the aircraft. I know this for a fact from my previous employer. We flew Lears to Canada daily and only the PIC was type in the aircraft. These ops were conducted under 91 and 135. I am not sure about 121 operations into canada. I am pretty sure PSA doesn't type their FO on the jets they fly into Canada under 121.

July 31st, 2004, 18:02	#9
FlyboyZR1 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: MN Posts: 97	Re: Who is required to be type-rated? U.S. 121 Carrier FO's don't need to be typed to fly into Canada.

July 31st, 2004, 21:16	#10
8LegDay Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2003 Posts: 154	Re: Who is required to be type-rated? The Captain I am flying with this month used to fly for TWA back in the day and his ATP check ride was a type ride in a 767!!! He was a 767 FO and TWA typed them sincethey were doing some Int. stuff.

August 3rd, 2004, 04:00	#11
seagull Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Posts: 2,044	Re: Who is required to be type-rated? F/O's are type rated when they act as relief pilots. Have to have at least one type rated pilot in front for U.S. carriers during rest breaks.

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