Slow page loads and Posts

[Doug Taylor]

Something is certainly strange as I'm in Asia/Europe/Middle East (Turkey) and the site is blazing. Maybe someone in the US went "Wal Mart" with DNS servers... 7ms jumps until it hits level3.net in the US.

Keep posting the traceroutes when you have problems.

[Acadia]

I get periods of really slow JC access as well. Most times it is very quick, but a few times a week it is almost unusable. I am on an 8mb connection, but I figured it was some routing issue between the server and me. I will try to run a trace route the next time it happens.

[SteveC]

Kind of spotty tonight from home. I'll run a couple of tracert's for ya:

Tracing route to jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms 2 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.1
2 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 192.168.0.1
3 13 ms 12 ms 11 ms ppp-69-214-15-254.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net[69.214.15.254]
4 13 ms 16 ms 18 ms dist1-vlan50.klmzmi.ameritech.net [67.36.55.226]
5 12 ms 13 ms 12 ms bb1-g1-1.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net [70.141.231.9]
6 16 ms 17 ms 27 ms ex2-p9-0.eqchil.sbcglobal.net [151.164.42.141]
7 16 ms 15 ms 16 ms Te-3-2.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.68.110.197]
8 27 ms 17 ms 16 ms ae-32-54.ebr2.Chicago1.Level3.net[4.68.101.126]
9 45 ms 51 ms 51 ms ae-3.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net [4.69.132.74]
10 70 ms 69 ms 68 ms ae-5-5.car1.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.49]
11 * 60 ms 61 ms ae-14-14.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.58]
12 59 ms 59 ms 59 ms HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net[4.71.2.14]
13 131 ms 134 ms 135 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
14 60 ms 59 ms 60 ms jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]

Trace complete.

Tracing route to forums.jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.1
2 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 192.168.0.1
3 12 ms 12 ms 12 ms ppp-69-214-15-254.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net[69.2.14.15.254]
4 13 ms 13 ms 12 ms dist1-vlan50.klmzmi.ameritech.net[67.36.55.226]
5 11 ms 11 ms 12 ms bb1-g1-1.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net [70.141.231.9]
6 16 ms 16 ms 16 ms ex2-p9-0.eqchil.sbcglobal.net [151.164.42.141]
7 17 ms 213 ms 203 ms Te-3-2.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.68.110.197]
8 20 ms 20 ms 24 ms ae-32-54.ebr2.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.68.101.126]
9 41 ms 48 ms 47 ms ae-3.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net [4.69.132.74]
10 70 ms 68 ms 66 ms ae-5-5.car1.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.49]
11 65 ms 62 ms 62 ms ae-14-14.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net[4.69.133.58]
12 59 ms 59 ms 58 ms HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.71.2.14]
13 143 ms 147 ms 149 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
14 59 ms 59 ms 59 ms forums.jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]

Trace complete.

[pedro]

I've got another slow day. for a while it wasn't coming up at all. By the time I got around to the trace it was just going slow. Looks to me like Hostway is the culprit on this one!


Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

H:\>tracert forums.jetcareers.com

Tracing route to forums.jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 172.16.32.254
2 6 ms 5 ms 5 ms ip-64-202-160-92.secureserver.net [64.202.160.92
]
3 4 ms 4 ms 5 ms ip-208-109-112-162.ip.secureserver.net [208.109.
112.162]
4 8 ms 5 ms 6 ms ip-208-109-112-138.ip.secureserver.net [208.109.
112.138]
5 47 ms 4 ms 4 ms ge-4-2-1.mpr2.phx2.us.above.net [64.124.113.61]

6 28 ms 27 ms 29 ms 64.125.25.6
7 30 ms 29 ms 29 ms so-0-0-0.mpr4.iah1.us.above.net [64.125.26.14]
8 34 ms * 37 ms so-1-1-0.mpr2.dfw2.us.above.net [64.125.26.133]

9 31 ms 31 ms 30 ms above-level3.dfw2.above.net [64.125.13.82]
10 43 ms 30 ms 35 ms ae-32-54.ebr2.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.122.126]

11 31 ms 33 ms 35 ms ae-1-100.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.132.45]
12 182 ms 207 ms 214 ms ae-7-7.car2.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.41]
13 64 ms 63 ms 64 ms ae-24-24.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.66]
14 58 ms 58 ms 58 ms HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.71.2.14]
15 63 ms 63 ms 64 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
16 60 ms 57 ms 60 ms lma3075.tam.us.siteprotect.com [84.40.28.95]

Trace complete.

H:\>

[Bandit_Driver]

Painfully slow right now...Nearly 2 minutes to go from the front page to the forums. Nearly 1 minute to go between threads...

tracert www.jetcareers.com
Tracing route to www.jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 3 ms 1 ms 1 ms 193.164.216.10.in-addr.arpa [10.216.164.193]
2 17 ms 15 ms 16 ms 172.17.5.37
3 8 ms 5 ms 6 ms 172.19.21.65
4 42 ms 32 ms 33 ms 2.28.177.10.in-addr.arpa [10.177.28.2]
5 40 ms 40 ms 41 ms 198.6.177.10.in-addr.arpa [10.177.6.198]
6 44 ms 38 ms 33 ms 33.96.184.10.in-addr.arpa [10.184.96.33]
7 32 ms 34 ms 43 ms m81065e42.tmodns.net [66.94.6.129]
8 34 ms 39 ms 48 ms 193.96.184.10.in-addr.arpa [10.184.96.193]
9 44 ms 34 ms 34 ms 204.96.184.10.in-addr.arpa [10.184.96.204]
10 35 ms 40 ms 39 ms ge-6-20.car1.Atlanta1.Level3.net [4.79.213.49]
11 39 ms 46 ms 48 ms ae-32-54.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net [4.68.103.126]
12 63 ms 51 ms 55 ms ae-5-5.car1.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.49]
13 63 ms 52 ms 66 ms ae-14-14.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.58]
14 53 ms 65 ms 66 ms HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.71.2.14]
15 63 ms 53 ms 56 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
16 53 ms 52 ms 52 ms lma3075.tam.us.siteprotect.com [84.40.28.95]
Trace complete.


Pinging www.jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95] with 32 bytes of data:
Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=53ms TTL=49
Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=72ms TTL=49
Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=60ms TTL=49
Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=68ms TTL=49
Ping statistics for 84.40.28.95:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 53ms, Maximum = 72ms, Average = 63ms

[SteveC]

Not too bad here at the moment. 5 - 10 seconds or so to load a page...

Tracing route to jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms 10.0.0.1
2 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms 192.168.0.1
3 12 ms 11 ms 12 ms ppp-69-214-15-254.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net [69.214.15.254]
4 12 ms 13 ms 13 ms dist1-vlan50.klmzmi.ameritech.net[67.36.55.226]
5 17 ms 12 ms 12 ms bb1-g1-1.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net [70.141.231.9]
6 16 ms 15 ms 18 ms ex2-p9-0.eqchil.sbcglobal.net [151.164.42.141]
7 17 ms 17 ms 16 ms Te-3-2.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.68.110.197]
8 33 ms 16 ms 17 ms ae-32-54.ebr2.Chicago1.Level3.net[4.68.101.126]
9 39 ms 46 ms 50 ms ae-3.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net [4.69.132.74]
10 * 58 ms 59 ms ae-5-5.car1.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.49]
11 61 ms 61 ms 58 ms ae-14-14.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net[4.69.133.58]
12 59 ms 58 ms 58 ms HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net[4.71.2.14]
13 69 ms 66 ms 63 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
14 60 ms 59 ms 60 ms jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]

Trace complete.

edit to add:

C:\WINDOWS>ping jetcareers.com

Pinging jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95] with 32 bytes of data:

Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.
Request timed out.

Ping statistics for 84.40.28.95:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 0, Lost = 4 (100% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 0ms, Maximum = 0ms, Average = 0ms

C:\WINDOWS>tracert jetcareers.com

Tracing route to jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 * * * Request timed out.
2 * * * Request timed out.
3 * * * Request timed out.
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 * * * Request timed out.
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 * * * Request timed out.
8 * * * Request timed out.
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 * 59 ms 64 ms ae-5-5.car1.Tampa1.Level3.net[4.69.133.49]
11 59 ms 60 ms 58 ms ae-14-14.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net[4.69.133.58]
12 59 ms 61 ms 59 ms HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.71.2.14]
13 59 ms 60 ms 59 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
14 60 ms 59 ms 59 ms jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]

Trace complete.

Tracing route to jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.1
2 2 ms 2 ms 3 ms 192.168.0.1
3 12 ms 11 ms 14 ms ppp-69-214-15-254.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net [69.214.15.254]
4 14 ms 11 ms 12 ms dist1-vlan50.klmzmi.ameritech.net[67.36.55.226]
5 13 ms 11 ms 12 ms bb1-g1-1.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net[70.141.231.9]
6 18 ms 16 ms 16 ms ex2-p9-0.eqchil.sbcglobal.net[151.164.42.141]
7 16 ms 16 ms 216 ms Te-3-2.Chicago1.Level3.net[4.68.110.197]
8 19 ms 17 ms 28 ms ae-32-54.ebr2.Chicago1.Level3.net[4.68.101.126]
9 44 ms 48 ms 51 ms ae-3.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net[4.69.132.74]
10 * 59 ms 75 ms ae-5-5.car1.Tampa1.Level3.net[4.69.133.49]
11 59 ms 59 ms 59 ms ae-14-14.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net[4.69.133.58]
12 59 ms 64 ms 61 ms HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.71.2.14]
13 59 ms 60 ms 58 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
14 60 ms 59 ms 60 ms jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]

Trace complete.

C:\WINDOWS>ping jetcareers.com

Pinging jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=62ms TTL=49
Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=61ms TTL=49
Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=60ms TTL=49
Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=58ms TTL=49

Ping statistics for 84.40.28.95:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 58ms, Maximum = 62ms, Average = 60ms

[will_fly_for_bandwith]

I'll configure my cacti server to graph the load times for this page in the forum... However I dont think that it is the JC server.....

wget http://forums.jetcareers.com/tech-su...s-posts-4.html (Slow page loads and Posts)
--19:52:09-- http://forums.jetcareers.com/tech-su...-page-loads-po
sts-4.html => `46408-slow-page-loads-posts-4.html.1'
Resolving forums.jetcareers.com... 84.40.28.95
Connecting to forums.jetcareers.com|84.40.28.95|:80... connected.
HTTP request sent, awaiting response... 200 OK
Length: unspecified [text/html]
[ <=> ] 52,025 150.47K/s
19:52:13 (150.33 KB/s) - `46408-slow-page-loads-posts-4.html.1' saved [52025]

Wget took 4 seconds to download the page. Just after I ran the wget I reloaded the page and it took 30 seconds or more.....
One reason for this is Wget will not wait for the ads to load.. it grabs the links and moves on. Our browsers will follow the ad links and load the content.

I'm pointing my finger at the ads.. but they pay the bills

[will_fly_for_bandwith]

I'll let this run for a few days

[will_fly_for_bandwith]

A picture is worth a thousand words...

[SteveC]

Just got back home (GRR) and it's kind of sluggish again.

Tracing route to jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 10.0.0.1
2 3 ms 2 ms 2 ms 192.168.0.1
3 11 ms 24 ms 14 ms ppp-69-214-15-254.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net[69.214.15.254]
4 12 ms 11 ms 25 ms dist1-vlan50.klmzmi.ameritech.net[67.36.55.226]
5 12 ms 29 ms 12 ms bb1-g1-1.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net [70.141.231.9]
6 16 ms 28 ms 33 ms ex2-p9-0.eqchil.sbcglobal.net [151.164.42.141]
7 16 ms 16 ms 19 ms Te-3-2.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.68.110.197]
8 30 ms 21 ms 45 ms ae-32-54.ebr2.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.68.101.126]
9 61 ms 41 ms 55 ms ae-3.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net [4.69.132.74]
10 68 ms 71 ms 61 ms ae-5-5.car1.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.49]
11 73 ms 73 ms 69 ms ae-14-14.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net[4.69.133.58]
12 76 ms 69 ms 58 ms HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net[4.71.2.14]
13 59 ms 58 ms 59 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
14 60 ms 58 ms 59 ms jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]

Trace complete.

[SteveC]

Was running O.K. earlier this morning, now experiencing sporadic slow-downs.

Tracing route to jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 10.0.0.1
2 1 ms 1 ms 1 ms 192.168.0.1
3 10 ms 10 ms 10 ms ppp-69-214-15-254.dsl.klmzmi.ameritech.net[69.214.15.254]
4 10 ms 11 ms 10 ms dist1-vlan50.klmzmi.ameritech.net[67.36.55.226]
5 11 ms 11 ms 10 ms bb1-g1-1.klmzmi.sbcglobal.net [70.141.231.9]
6 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms ex2-p9-0.eqchil.sbcglobal.net[151.164.42.141]
7 14 ms 14 ms 14 ms Te-3-2.Chicago1.Level3.net [4.68.110.197]
8 15 ms 15 ms 16 ms ae-32-54.ebr2.Chicago1.Level3.net[4.68.101.126]
9 * 46 ms 39 ms ae-3.ebr2.Atlanta2.Level3.net [4.69.132.74]
10 56 ms 57 ms 57 ms ae-5-5.car1.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.49]
11 57 ms 58 ms 59 ms ae-14-14.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net[4.69.133.58]
12 57 ms 57 ms 57 ms HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net[4.71.2.14]
13 57 ms 56 ms 57 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
14 57 ms 58 ms 59 ms lma3075.tam.us.siteprotect.com [84.40.28.95]

Trace complete.

[will_fly_for_bandwith]

Try this..
When you are experencing slow page loads right click the page and select view source. This is the raw html that the server is sending to your browser. If you scan through the text you will see that the page has loaded but it is yet to be displayed. I think that it is the javascript loading the ads.

57ms from your tracert is good.

Tracing route to jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 192.168.185.1
2 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms vl164.pttid01.or.integraonline.net [64.122.164.2
]
3 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms v50.pttid01.integra.net [209.63.115.226]
4 2 ms 2 ms 2 ms fe9-3.bv18d51.integra.net [209.63.115.229]
5 3 ms 3 ms 3 ms ge2-24--3.cr01.ptleorte.integra.net [209.63.115.
157]
6 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms tg13-1.cr01.sttlwatw.integra.net [209.63.114.97]
7 8 ms 7 ms 7 ms tg1-1.br01.sttlwawb.integra.net [209.63.114.134]
8 7 ms 7 ms 7 ms ge-6-10-232.car2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.79.104.1
17]
9 7 ms 17 ms 17 ms ae-32-56.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.68.105.190]
10 62 ms 55 ms 54 ms ae-2.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.54]
11 67 ms 55 ms 55 ms ae-1-100.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.37]
12 57 ms 72 ms 58 ms ae-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.132.106]
13 91 ms 81 ms 85 ms ae-7-7.car2.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.41]
14 82 ms 82 ms 81 ms ae-24-24.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.66]
15 86 ms 88 ms 89 ms HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.71.2.14]
16 87 ms 88 ms 83 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
17 82 ms 83 ms 86 ms lma3075.tam.us.siteprotect.com [84.40.28.95]
Trace complete.


C:\Documents and Settings\>pathping jetcareers.com
Tracing route to jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:
0 ICO-xxxxxxx-xxxx 192.168.185.109]
1 192.168.185.1
2 vl164.pttid01.or.integraonline.net [64.122.164.2]
3 v50.pttid01.integra.net [209.63.115.226]
4 fe9-3.bv18d51.integra.net [209.63.115.229]
5 ge2-24--3.cr01.ptleorte.integra.net [209.63.115.157]
6 tg13-1.cr01.sttlwatw.integra.net [209.63.114.97]
7 tg1-1.br01.sttlwawb.integra.net [209.63.114.134]
8 ge-6-10-232.car2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.79.104.117]
9 ae-32-56.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net [4.68.105.190]
10 ae-2.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.54]
11 ae-1-100.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69.132.37]
12 ae-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.132.106]
13 ae-7-7.car2.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.41]
14 ae-24-24.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.66]
15 HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.71.2.14]
16 e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
17 lma3075.tam.us.siteprotect.com [84.40.28.95]
Computing statistics for 425 seconds...
Source to Here This Node/Link
Hop RTT Lost/Sent = Pct Lost/Sent = Pct Address
0 ICO-JPULFER.ads.integratelecom.com
[192.168.185.109]
0/ 100 = 0% |
1 0ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% 192.168.185.1
0/ 100 = 0% |
2 0ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% vl164.pttid01.or.integraonline.net
[64.122.164.2]
0/ 100 = 0% |
3 0ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% v50.pttid01.integra.net [209.63.11
5.226]
0/ 100 = 0% |
4 8ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% fe9-3.bv18d51.integra.net [209.63.
115.229]
0/ 100 = 0% |
5 4ms 1/ 100 = 1% 1/ 100 = 1% ge2-24--3.cr01.ptleorte.integra.ne
t [209.63.115.157]
0/ 100 = 0% |
6 11ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% tg13-1.cr01.sttlwatw.integra.net [
209.63.114.97]
0/ 100 = 0% |
7 13ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% tg1-1.br01.sttlwawb.integra.net [2
09.63.114.134]
0/ 100 = 0% |
8 13ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ge-6-10-232.car2.Seattle1.Level3.n
et [4.79.104.117]
0/ 100 = 0% |
9 12ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-32-56.ebr2.Seattle1.Level3.net
[4.68.105.190]
0/ 100 = 0% |
10 60ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-2.ebr2.Denver1.Level3.net [4.69
.132.54]
0/ 100 = 0% |
11 60ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-1-100.ebr1.Denver1.Level3.net [
4.69.132.37]
0/ 100 = 0% |
12 59ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-2.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69
.132.106]
0/ 100 = 0% |
13 88ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-7-7.car2.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.6
9.133.41]
0/ 100 = 0% |
14 91ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% ae-24-24.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4
.69.133.66]
0/ 100 = 0% |
15 80ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net
[4.71.2.14]
0/ 100 = 0% |
16 81ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106
]
0/ 100 = 0% |
17 81ms 0/ 100 = 0% 0/ 100 = 0% lma3075.tam.us.siteprotect.com [84
.40.28.95]
Trace complete.

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by will_fly_for_bandwidth

Try this..
When you are experiencing slow page loads right click the page and select view source. This is the raw html that the server is sending to your browser. If you scan through the text you will see that the page has loaded but it is yet to be displayed. I think that it is the javascript loading the ads.

57ms from your tracert is good.

O.K.

That all went (whoosh) way over my head.

Question for you though, since you seem to know your stuff...I'm running Opera, and (don't tell Doug but) I have the browser set to block the ads. Would I still have the slow loads from "the javascipt loading the ads"?

Also, why would there be a variation in apparent website responsiveness if it were a javascript issue?

Oh, and a third question ( ), would it help Doug troubleshoot the issue if I ran some of the other programs like you just did (pathping and viewing the source)?

(I am sooooo over my head here.)

[will_fly_for_bandwith]

With regards to Opera it would depend on how it blocks the ad's that counts. If the browser loads and executes the JavaScript but you don’t see the images (perhaps a red X in a white square) the java is still being run. Good point about the lack of uniformity of page loads... why so quick... why so slow ??

In another tab I have the aviation thread open..

This is at the bottom..
src='http://www.jetcareers.com/phpads/adframe.php?n=a0a41be0&amp;what=zone:3&amp;source= jetcareers&amp;target=_blank&amp;refresh=120' framespacing='0' frameborder='no' scrolling='no' width='468' height='60'><a href='http://www.jetcareers.com/phpads/adclick.php?n=a0a41be0' target='_blank'>

So the adds are generated from the addframe php script in what looks like a frame. I wonder if frames are processed in a hierarchy...therefore the add frame is near the top and any delays hold up the whole page load.... but this is speculation!!

tracroutes help where there are network issues. However ICMP (Internet Connection Management Protocol) is normally weighted as a low priority therefore the results can be misleading (traceroute and ping use ICMP) but it can be a piece of the puzzle. Also I suspect that the host that we ping is just the wan side of a load balancer so we are not reaching the actual www server.

Having had to trouble shoot networking and systems related issues before tracerts and pings are always welcome.

..
I kinda prefer the graphing tool that I used (cacti) because it ignores all the java and just grabs the content.

[SteveC]

Slow tonight out in the Hamptons (HTO).

over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 10 ms 5 ms 5 ms 192.168.3.1
2 11 ms 12 ms 11 ms 10.32.192.1
3 46 ms 61 ms 33 ms opti38-161.nassau.cv.net [167.206.38.161]
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 14 ms 14 ms 15 ms rtr4-tg10-2.wan.hcvlny.cv.net [64.15.4.29]
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 53 ms 15 ms 16 ms 64.15.6.46
8 18 ms 48 ms 18 ms 65.19.112.85
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 24 ms 22 ms 23 ms nyk-bb2-pos1-2-0.telia.net [213.248.80.81]
11 66 ms 35 ms 41 ms ash-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.250.17]
12 92 ms 39 ms 35 ms atl-bb1-link.telia.net [213.248.80.142]
13 52 ms 52 ms 153 ms dls-bb1-link.telia.net [213.248.80.146]
14 78 ms 60 ms 82 ms mai-b1-pos0-0-0.telia.net [213.248.80.38]
15 59 ms 67 ms 69 ms hostway-115911-mai-b1.c.telia.net[213.248.81.10]
16 57 ms 116 ms 56 ms 84.40.24.50
17 55 ms 69 ms 55 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
18 83 ms 72 ms 58 ms jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]

Trace complete.

1 5 ms 6 ms 6 ms 192.168.3.1
2 11 ms 11 ms 11 ms 10.32.192.1
3 12 ms 11 ms 12 ms opti38-161.nassau.cv.net [167.206.38.161]
4 * * * Request timed out.
5 15 ms 118 ms 15 ms rtr4-tg10-2.wan.hcvlny.cv.net [64.15.4.29]
6 * * * Request timed out.
7 17 ms 16 ms 16 ms 64.15.6.46
8 17 ms 18 ms 22 ms 65.19.112.85
9 * * * Request timed out.
10 23 ms 21 ms 23 ms nyk-bb2-pos1-2-0.telia.net [213.248.80.81]
11 33 ms 23 ms 21 ms ash-bb1-link.telia.net [80.91.250.17]
12 41 ms 149 ms 45 ms atl-bb1-link.telia.net [213.248.80.142]
13 50 ms 53 ms 53 ms dls-bb1-link.telia.net [213.248.80.146]
14 52 ms 68 ms 51 ms hostway-115911-mai-b1.c.telia.net[213.248.81.10]
15 55 ms 68 ms 56 ms 66.113.197.41
16 72 ms 71 ms 55 ms 84.40.24.50
17 72 ms 56 ms 56 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
18 73 ms 57 ms 72 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
19 75 ms 81 ms 72 ms jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]

Trace complete.

Pinging jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=73ms TTL=46
Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=59ms TTL=46
Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=71ms TTL=46
Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=72ms TTL=46

Ping statistics for 84.40.28.95:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 59ms, Maximum = 73ms, Average = 68ms

[will_fly_for_bandwith]

and

[gevo]

for those who are having problems, what internet browser are you using? You may have filters on, or other settings on or off which can greatly affect your load times.
On these pages there are all sorts of scripts, pictures, animations... if just one of those sends an alert to your filters for security, privacy.. etc.. then the browser will spend a decade trying to authenticate, authorize and check to see if it is safe to open according to your settings..

so, which internet browsers are you using?

[gevo]

PS: If i repeated somethign, i apologize, i thought i read up to the last page, but apparantly i didnt.. lol

[pedro]

I use IE7 and FF 2.0.0.4 at work. my browsers at work have no filters because I do tech support for websites.

at home I am on a mac and mostly use FF. Sometimes I'll use Safari but not too often. Usually only to test if the slowness is in both browsers. At home I have a 10MB connection from cox. I don't know the speeds at work but it's fast.

Ever since fly_for_bandwidth has been monitoring the site I haven't had any slowness. The site has been loading as fast as any other site which is making making me .

If I do experience it though I'll post trace and ping info.

[pedro]

wouldn't you know that as soon as I say the site is going fast, it doesntload at all. it was for a really short time though. Just for fun i typed forums.jetcareers.com into the addy bar of IE7. Request timed out. to make sure i went back to FF which still had this page on the screen and I clicked on General topics. Request timed out. immediatly did a trace and ping. after I did the first set of tests i tested from browser and it loaded fine....weird. does seem like it was just a hiccup in Dallas.

Microsoft Windows XP [Version 5.1.2600]
(C) Copyright 1985-2001 Microsoft Corp.

H:\>tracert forums.jetcareers.com

Tracing route to forums.jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 172.16.32.254
2 5 ms 5 ms 2 ms ip-64-202-160-92.secureserver.net [64.202.160.92
]
3 6 ms 3 ms 3 ms ip-208-109-112-162.ip.secureserver.net [208.109.
112.162]
4 4 ms 5 ms 4 ms ip-208-109-112-138.ip.secureserver.net [208.109.
112.138]
5 4 ms 5 ms 5 ms ge-4-2-1.mpr2.phx2.us.above.net [64.124.113.61]

6 28 ms 28 ms 28 ms 64.125.25.6
7 28 ms 28 ms 35 ms so-0-0-0.mpr4.iah1.us.above.net [64.125.26.14]
8 33 ms 33 ms 33 ms so-1-1-0.mpr2.dfw2.us.above.net [64.125.26.133]

9 29 ms 28 ms 28 ms above-level3.dfw2.above.net [64.125.13.82]
10 * * 31 ms ae-32-54.ebr2.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.122.126]

11 43 ms 33 ms 35 ms ae-1-100.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.132.45]
12 57 ms 57 ms 57 ms ae-7-7.car2.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.41]
13 64 ms 65 ms 65 ms ae-24-24.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.66]
14 60 ms 59 ms 59 ms HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.71.2.14]
15 67 ms 71 ms 63 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
16 59 ms 59 ms 59 ms lma3075.tam.us.siteprotect.com [84.40.28.95]

Trace complete.

H:\>ping forums.jetcareers.com

Pinging forums.jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95] with 32 bytes of data:

Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=58ms TTL=45
Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=76ms TTL=45
Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=59ms TTL=45
Reply from 84.40.28.95: bytes=32 time=58ms TTL=45

Ping statistics for 84.40.28.95:
Packets: Sent = 4, Received = 4, Lost = 0 (0% loss),
Approximate round trip times in milli-seconds:
Minimum = 58ms, Maximum = 76ms, Average = 62ms

this is the test trace immediatly after it started working again.

H:\>tracert jetcareers.com

Tracing route to jetcareers.com [84.40.28.95]
over a maximum of 30 hops:

1 <1 ms <1 ms <1 ms 172.16.32.254
2 4 ms 5 ms 2 ms ip-64-202-160-92.secureserver.net [64.202.160.92
]
3 6 ms 6 ms 5 ms ip-208-109-112-162.ip.secureserver.net [208.109.
112.162]
4 31 ms 5 ms 54 ms ip-208-109-112-138.ip.secureserver.net [208.109.
112.138]
5 6 ms 4 ms 4 ms ge-4-2-1.mpr2.phx2.us.above.net [64.124.113.61]

6 28 ms 29 ms 30 ms 64.125.25.6
7 27 ms 32 ms 28 ms so-0-0-0.mpr4.iah1.us.above.net [64.125.26.14]
8 33 ms 36 ms 33 ms so-1-1-0.mpr2.dfw2.us.above.net [64.125.26.133]

9 28 ms 28 ms 29 ms above-level3.dfw2.above.net [64.125.13.82]
10 * 30 ms 38 ms ae-32-54.ebr2.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.68.122.126]

11 54 ms 37 ms 32 ms ae-1-100.ebr1.Dallas1.Level3.net [4.69.132.45]
12 69 ms 62 ms 57 ms ae-7-7.car2.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.41]
13 65 ms 63 ms 64 ms ae-24-24.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.69.133.66]
14 59 ms 59 ms 60 ms HOSTWAY-COR.car4.Tampa1.Level3.net [4.71.2.14]
15 64 ms 64 ms 63 ms e1-2.dr2.as30217.net [84.40.24.106]
16 60 ms 58 ms 59 ms lma3075.tam.us.siteprotect.com [84.40.28.95]

Trace complete.

H:\>

[Doug Taylor]

Excellent data, thank you! This is helping.

[will_fly_for_bandwith]

The graphs that I posted above are located on a server at work. I installed cacti on my home box and have configured ICMP polling (one ICMP packet every 5 mins) to forums.jetcarreers.com

http://thepulfers.no-ip.com:460/cacti

User is guest
Pass is guest

Click on the tree item on the left called jetcarreers.

The server is normaly up......