DO for the BO

mojo6911 · April 21st, 2007, 01:43

Well, it is starting to get hot here in Texas. Can we put in the rental agreement that is required to wear deodorant for each flight?

Doug Taylor · April 21st, 2007, 01:54

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Originally Posted by mojo6911

Well, it is starting to get hot here in Texas. Can we put in the rental agreement that is required to wear deodorant for each flight?

I feel your pain.

KLB · April 21st, 2007, 03:46

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Originally Posted by mojo6911

Well, it is starting to get hot here in Texas. Can we put in the rental agreement that is required to wear deodorant for each flight?

Must be the foreign students. I've been there. Demand that they are hygenic or you won't fly with them. That means a bath or shower everyday (with soap!) and deodorant. They must also wear fresh clothes everyday.

bwade210 · April 21st, 2007, 08:58

I thought Texas was the worst place for that until I started flying with students in south Florida.

SmitteyB · April 21st, 2007, 10:25

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Originally Posted by KLB

Must be the foreign students. I've been there. Demand that they are hygenic or you won't fly with them. That means a bath or shower everyday (with soap!) and deodorant. They must also wear fresh clothes everyday.

Are you sure, you could be hurting the student's feelings? I had my first expereience with it yesterday and I have definitely had more enjoyable flights.

I just don't want to put a student on the spot like that.

Doug Taylor · April 21st, 2007, 11:02

Some cultures don't wear deodorant. However, if they're fresh off the airplane from some foreign land, what we used to do at my old flight school is give them a small 'Welcome to America' presentation.

We'd talk about deodorant, how "I don't care if you have 5 servants at home, you're not going to find Pamela Andersen in San Jose", expectations and social decorum.

It might help, it might not, I dunno.

Chewie von Nubbins · April 21st, 2007, 12:48

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Originally Posted by mojo6911

Well, it is starting to get hot here in Texas. Can we put in the rental agreement that is required to wear deodorant for each flight?

Well, thank god that you only have to put up with it for 1.2 on the hobbs, before nature calls.

fly02 · April 21st, 2007, 13:25

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Originally Posted by mojo6911

Well, it is starting to get hot here in Texas. Can we put in the rental agreement that is required to wear deodorant for each flight?

Are they as bad as Mr. Morgan or Sam?

Frank_Rizzo · April 21st, 2007, 19:31

man this thread brings back horrid memories of the computer labs at UTA

kellwolf · April 21st, 2007, 22:14

Oh, man. We had this one guy last summer from Germany (jtrain, WAFlyBoy, BrettinLJ and Ryan will know who I'm talking about) that REEEKED! He was in the Razerglade room taking a test, and I went in the closet to put my stuff up. Keep in mind there is a WALL between the two. I nearly choked and blew right there. I could smell this guy through the WALL! It was horrid. My eyes were watering!

There was another guy (also from Germany) that we could smell at the front desk from one of the classrooms DOWN THE HALL! I'm not sure how Travis survived instructing that guy. He deserved a medal.

mojo6911 · April 21st, 2007, 23:18

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Originally Posted by fly02

Are they as bad as Mr. Morgan or Sam?

haha Jay. How is training? Not nearly as bad as either one of those guys. They are the only ones that I can think of that left their stinch for well over 30 minutes.

Planespotting · April 22nd, 2007, 20:03

Just hang something about it on the school wall with consideration to students feelings.

KLB · April 22nd, 2007, 20:47

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Originally Posted by SmitteyB

Are you sure, you could be hurting the student's feelings? I had my first expereience with it yesterday and I have definitely had more enjoyable flights.

I just don't want to put a student on the spot like that.

I don't think that it hurts their feelings. It's a culture thing. They believe that the odor(pheromones) attract women. If it makes me almost ill to be in small spaces with them...something has to be done. It can't be ignored. I can't do my job to the best of my abilities if I can't stand to be in the same space as the student. Thats what I told my students and they understood.

Have you guys had the water bottle on floor in the restrooms yet? Have you figured out what's it for and why it's there everyday yet?

Chewie von Nubbins · April 22nd, 2007, 21:29

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Originally Posted by KLB

Have you guys had the water bottle on floor in the restrooms yet? Have you figured out what's it for and why it's there everyday yet?

Oh, do tell!!! Cheap DB?

SmitteyB · April 22nd, 2007, 22:20

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Originally Posted by KLB

It's a culture thing. They believe that the odor(pheromones) attract women.

I don't mean to be disrespectful to other cultures but...

That's the stupidist thing I've ever heard to be perfectly honest with you.

KLB · April 23rd, 2007, 01:52

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Originally Posted by Chewie von Nubbins

Oh, do tell!!! Cheap DB?

All I have to say is be careful who you shake hands with...

fly02 · April 23rd, 2007, 02:00

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Originally Posted by mojo6911

haha Jay. How is training? Not nearly as bad as either one of those guys. They are the only ones that I can think of that left their stinch for well over 30 minutes.

Ya, you always had to leave the door open and let the place air out after he left.

The training is going good. I have my indoc test on Tuesday and then it is on to the sims.

embraer07 · April 24th, 2007, 01:05

I used to think the horror stories of sitting in a cramped cockpit with an Indian student that stinked were exaggerated tall tales.

That is until I began to see more and more of them around the flight school. A quick walk past them from 15 feet away would kick up an aroma that was not too pleasing if you know what I mean.

They are nice guys and all...I just wish they would have enough common sense to know that in the Western world-apart from Germany aparently

- we take showers and wear deodorant. Well, many of us do anyway.

Maybe flight schools should start adding a part in their welcome packet that they give to all new students where they discuss practicing good hygiene on days you go flying, and the reasons why.

I remember those packets specifically mentioning how students shouldn't wear sandals and other certain types of clothes when going flying....hygiene shouldn't be left out either. Not a bad idea....

Planespotting · April 25th, 2007, 02:25

Dude, you should've not specificied a nationality because you're going to offend someone, you should've had enough sophistication not do that, man, that's not cool. I have Indian friends.

Murdoughnut · April 25th, 2007, 11:25

I don't know - I think it's a pretty fair generalization. I have Indian friends too, at least they can laugh about it (none of them smell).

I almost got kicked out of grad school once because a kid in my class complained about the fact that he was so pale. Naturally (being from Texas and having no tact) - I said "well, that's because you're Jewish".

PC police brutality soon followed. I tried to explain that I'm pale because I'm of Swede heritage, but it didn't work.

kellwolf · April 25th, 2007, 23:20

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Originally Posted by Planespotting

Dude, you should've not specificied a nationality because you're going to offend someone, you should've had enough sophistication not do that, man, that's not cool. I have Indian friends.

I debated about keeping my mouth shut, but decided against it. Simply put, get a thicker skin. The world at large knows that the country of India has different standards of cleanliness than a lot of the Western countries. It's not like it's a new thing saying that people from that country don't adhere to our standards of cleanliness. It's like saying Irish people tend to have pale skin and red hair. Am I gonna get in a bar fight for saying that? I doubt it.

What should we do? NOT say anything to those people b/c we might offend them? If I'm in another country studying something, I'd hope that someone would tell me if I'm commiting a social faux pas and not say "Oh, he's American. We don't want to offend him."

Chewie von Nubbins · April 25th, 2007, 23:42

There are a couple of solutions to this problem that I can think of....One that comes to mind is, when the student is pre-flighting the plane, just drain a little 100 LL into the shot glass and wait until he/she turns the back to you. If the student is reeking of BO, simply douse them directly with the 100 LL! So much easier explaining it away as a "my bad, didn't see you," than offering up the Right Guard, right there on the spot. At least the AVGAS will keep a constant odor and never fluctuate. Which is worse, 1.2 on the hobbs (we know why the 1.2), or a nice steady smell of 100 LL?

frog_flyer · April 26th, 2007, 02:52

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Originally Posted by Planespotting

Dude, you should've not specificied a nationality because you're going to offend someone, you should've had enough sophistication not do that, man, that's not cool. I have Indian friends.

Are you serious? Get a few more layers of skin, bubba.

ryanmickG · April 26th, 2007, 23:44

I have been doing this for a long time.

Believe me its not just Indians......and Americans have no exception.

kellwolf · April 27th, 2007, 14:21

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Originally Posted by ryanmickG

I have been doing this for a long time.

Believe me its not just Indians......and Americans have no exception.

He's right. I've flown with him in the summer.

April 21st, 2007, 01:43	#1
mojo6911 Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: GKY Posts: 1,630	DO for the BO Well, it is starting to get hot here in Texas. Can we put in the rental agreement that is required to wear deodorant for each flight?

April 21st, 2007, 08:58	#4
bwade210 Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KSAT & K1T7 Posts: 474	Re: DO for the BO I thought Texas was the worst place for that until I started flying with students in south Florida. __________________ "Failure to prepare, is preparing to fail!"

April 21st, 2007, 11:02	#6
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 40,512 Blog Entries: 1	Re: DO for the BO Some cultures don't wear deodorant. However, if they're fresh off the airplane from some foreign land, what we used to do at my old flight school is give them a small 'Welcome to America' presentation. We'd talk about deodorant, how "I don't care if you have 5 servants at home, you're not going to find Pamela Andersen in San Jose", expectations and social decorum. It might help, it might not, I dunno. __________________ Doug Taylor http://76school.flyblog.com (old!) http://30west.flyblog.com (updated 11/28)

April 21st, 2007, 19:31	#9
Frank_Rizzo Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: RDU Posts: 199	Re: DO for the BO man this thread brings back horrid memories of the computer labs at UTA

April 21st, 2007, 22:14	#10
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,667	Re: DO for the BO Oh, man. We had this one guy last summer from Germany (jtrain, WAFlyBoy, BrettinLJ and Ryan will know who I'm talking about) that REEEKED! He was in the Razerglade room taking a test, and I went in the closet to put my stuff up. Keep in mind there is a WALL between the two. I nearly choked and blew right there. I could smell this guy through the WALL! It was horrid. My eyes were watering! There was another guy (also from Germany) that we could smell at the front desk from one of the classrooms DOWN THE HALL! I'm not sure how Travis survived instructing that guy. He deserved a medal. __________________ "I'm The Doctor, by the way. Run for your life!"

April 22nd, 2007, 20:03	#12
Planespotting Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10	Re: DO for the BO Just hang something about it on the school wall with consideration to students feelings. __________________ I don't know whether I'm the boxer or the bag ...

April 24th, 2007, 01:05	#18
embraer07 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: Dallas,TX Posts: 59	Re: DO for the BO I used to think the horror stories of sitting in a cramped cockpit with an Indian student that stinked were exaggerated tall tales. That is until I began to see more and more of them around the flight school. A quick walk past them from 15 feet away would kick up an aroma that was not too pleasing if you know what I mean. They are nice guys and all...I just wish they would have enough common sense to know that in the Western world-apart from Germany aparently - we take showers and wear deodorant. Well, many of us do anyway. Maybe flight schools should start adding a part in their welcome packet that they give to all new students where they discuss practicing good hygiene on days you go flying, and the reasons why. I remember those packets specifically mentioning how students shouldn't wear sandals and other certain types of clothes when going flying....hygiene shouldn't be left out either. Not a bad idea.... __________________ Knowledge Speaks, But Wisdom Listens

April 25th, 2007, 02:25	#19
Planespotting Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 10	Re: DO for the BO Dude, you should've not specificied a nationality because you're going to offend someone, you should've had enough sophistication not do that, man, that's not cool. I have Indian friends. __________________ I don't know whether I'm the boxer or the bag ...

April 25th, 2007, 11:25	#20
Murdoughnut Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: St. Petersburg, FL Posts: 2,610	Re: DO for the BO I don't know - I think it's a pretty fair generalization. I have Indian friends too, at least they can laugh about it (none of them smell). I almost got kicked out of grad school once because a kid in my class complained about the fact that he was so pale. Naturally (being from Texas and having no tact) - I said "well, that's because you're Jewish". PC police brutality soon followed. I tried to explain that I'm pale because I'm of Swede heritage, but it didn't work.

April 25th, 2007, 23:42	#22
Chewie von Nubbins Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: KGKY Posts: 944	Re: DO for the BO There are a couple of solutions to this problem that I can think of....One that comes to mind is, when the student is pre-flighting the plane, just drain a little 100 LL into the shot glass and wait until he/she turns the back to you. If the student is reeking of BO, simply douse them directly with the 100 LL! So much easier explaining it away as a "my bad, didn't see you," than offering up the Right Guard, right there on the spot. At least the AVGAS will keep a constant odor and never fluctuate. Which is worse, 1.2 on the hobbs (we know why the 1.2), or a nice steady smell of 100 LL? __________________ CFI, CFII, IGI

April 26th, 2007, 23:44	#24
ryanmickG Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Arlington TX Posts: 1,708	Re: DO for the BO I have been doing this for a long time. Believe me its not just Indians......and Americans have no exception.

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