Time on the runway?

[TripSix]

Originally Posted by block30

Greetings,

I think I originally posted this in the wrong place, so I apologize to all for that. None the less, I here is my question;

One of the controllers at my home airport complained someone stayed on the runway too long for a stop and go. I asked how long a pilot has, and they replied 33 seconds.

This seems strange. I can't reference this in the AIM nor the 7110.65. Is this an LOA thing? Is the controller just making this up?

I'd like to know so I can pass this along to the training students and instructors.

Best,

[TripSix]

Originally Posted by block30

Greetings,

I think I originally posted this in the wrong place, so I apologize to all for that. None the less, I here is my question;

One of the controllers at my home airport complained someone stayed on the runway too long for a stop and go. I asked how long a pilot has, and they replied 33 seconds.

This seems strange. I can't reference this in the AIM nor the 7110.65. Is this an LOA thing? Is the controller just making this up?

I'd like to know so I can pass this along to the training students and instructors.

Best,

I have never seen in writing or heard of a specific time limit the pilot has on the runway when cleared for a S&G. Logic would dictate when I issue that clearance to a pilot, it is the pilot's discretion how long they stay in the "stopped" position.

That being said, if it ever mattered to me there were numerous ways to work with the pilot(s).

Simply asking the pilot how much of a delay they were going to take before rolling was the easiest.

If I needed something, I stated it. IE after getting the clearance read back "no more than 5 second delay on the runway," or something like that.

Heck, I've even given a pilot requesting a T&G a S&G instead for sequence purposes (that would come into play after he was airborn again). After getting the S&G clearance readback, I threw in a "after stopping, count to ten, then go - the delay is for sequence"

Worst case scenario, if I couldn't allow the delay on the runway, or the pilot was having trouble complying with any time restriction I'd just "unable" the S&G. Even when, at times, they would get cute and come right back and ask for the option, I'd clear them "all options except S&G."

Bottom line, I've never seen it in a reg. A complaint about a delay being too long on the runway should only happen once - as there are many ways to work with the pilot to prevent it from happening again.

[block30]

Originally Posted by TripSix

I have never seen in writing or heard of a specific time limit the pilot has on the runway when cleared for a S&G. Logic would dictate when I issue that clearance to a pilot, it is the pilot's discretion how long they stay in the "stopped" position.

That being said, if it ever mattered to me there were numerous ways to work with the pilot(s).

Simply asking the pilot how much of a delay they were going to take before rolling was the easiest.

If I needed something, I stated it. IE after getting the clearance read back "no more than 5 second delay on the runway," or something like that.

Heck, I've even given a pilot requesting a T&G a S&G instead for sequence purposes (that would come into play after he was airborn again). After getting the S&G clearance readback, I threw in a "after stopping, count to ten, then go - the delay is for sequence"

Worst case scenario, if I couldn't allow the delay on the runway, or the pilot was having trouble complying with any time restriction I'd just "unable" the S&G. Even when, at times, they would get cute and come right back and ask for the option, I'd clear them "all options except S&G."

Bottom line, I've never seen it in a reg. A complaint about a delay being too long on the runway should only happen once - as there are many ways to work with the pilot to prevent it from happening again.

Thank you!!

[FM_Weasel]

Though there are many reasons why an excessive (or perceived excessive) delay on the runway could cause sequencing issues for the controller, if that controller was aware that the timing was sensitive, a stop and go clearance shouldn't have been issued in the first place.

[kh15]

I'm surprised no one said this:

I do stop n go's when I want my student to practice a short field landing to either a short/soft field takeoff...saves a lot of time and makes a short field takeoff really what it is.

Peace

[towhook]

I have never heard of a specific maximum time on the runway. I do often see pilots spend too much time on the runway.

Outside of the training environment touch and go's are seldom performed. We use the aircraft to go somewhere and then land once, not fly patterns. There is certainly something to be said for the old school method: until you can properly perform full stop taxi backs then you don't need to be practicing touch and go's.

[Orange Anchor]

Originally Posted by Mike H

Brilliant. Since it's at night, you're neither certain of how much runway you used landing & stopping, nor how much is left to take off

Why?