Clearance to Land

[braunpilot]

So, I swear that I fly into the only airport in the country that doesn't report the winds with a clearance to land. Is there a requirement for ATC to report the winds with a landing clearance?

Usual Landing Sequence:

ABC 718: Tower, ABC 718, Visual Runway 12
Tower: ABC 718, Enter right base runway 12, Cleared to Land
ABC 718: Enter right base runway 12, Cleared to Land.

Fast forward to right base...

ABC 718: Request winds.
Tower: Winds 100 @ 6.

I asked recently and they said there is no requirement for ATC (in the civilian world) to report the winds during a landing clearance. Is that true?

[loubetti]

AFAIK they do not need to give you the winds when clearing you to land.

I do not get them at most towered airports that I fly into.

[RobertB]

I give the wind to every single arrival regardless of whether they are doing a full stop, stop and go, touch and go, etc.

[MikeD]

Winds, along with the landing clearance, is an additional user fee.

[minitour]

Podunk airport information Delta 1151 Zulu weather. Winds 010 at 6....



-mini

[Zero1Niner]

I almost never get winds with a landing clearance.

[clestudentpilot]

No requirement to give the winds in a clearance unless it is a tailwind that is 5 kts or more (or maybe it is more than 5kts, I don't feel like looking it up). Many facilities have it in their SOP that when winds are above a certain number, they must be given, like where I was at for CTI training it is either 7 kts or more, or more than 7 kts, I think it is 7 kts or more there. I almost always gave the winds regardless in a clearance, even if it was calm. Sometimes if it got any busier, I may have eliminated that in the clearance, along with the runway # in a landing clearance since it is a single runway, unless it was opposite direction for some reason.

Ok edit: I was wrong, if there is a tailwind, no matter what the velocity, the wind must be given (calm may still be said when wind is less than 3 kts), the 5 kt rule applies to which runway should be used.

[PA44-LUV]

The tower usually gives me the winds when I'm on an instrument approach or when they think I'm a student after I make a fumble on the radio.

[aevfo]

Originally Posted by braunpilot

So, I swear that I fly into the only airport in the country that doesn't report the winds with a clearance to land. Is there a requirement for ATC to report the winds with a landing clearance?

Usual Landing Sequence:

ABC 718: Tower, ABC 718, Visual Runway 12
Tower: ABC 718, Enter right base runway 12, Cleared to Land
ABC 718: Enter right base runway 12, Cleared to Land.

Fast forward to right base...

ABC 718: Request winds.
Tower: Winds 100 @ 6.

I asked recently and they said there is no requirement for ATC (in the civilian world) to report the winds during a landing clearance. Is that true?

I guess I'm confused. If you are doing a visual approach, then you are IFR and you should have 'checked in' with approach with the ATIS or the AWOS, therefore you should already know what the winds are. Now I agree on a particularly gusty day I like to know what the winds are on final, however I know way before I get to final if it's gusty or relatively calm because I've listened to the weather.

[///AMG]

I'd say I get winds about half the time. My home field normally gives them to us with takeoff clearance, but our nav system computer spits out winds while we are flying.....not sure if ATC assumes this or not.

[braunpilot]

Originally Posted by aevfo

I guess I'm confused. If you are doing a visual approach, then you are IFR and you should have 'checked in' with approach with the ATIS or the AWOS, therefore you should already know what the winds are. Now I agree on a particularly gusty day I like to know what the winds are on final, however I know way before I get to final if it's gusty or relatively calm because I've listened to the weather.

There is a crosswind runway there that is 2900 feet and as long as the winds are not too strong I will use it. I refuse to use the winds off of ATIS unless it came out within the last five minutes. Too much changes at an airport near a downtown area.

[gomntwins]

Originally Posted by aevfo

I guess I'm confused. If you are doing a visual approach, then you are IFR and you should have 'checked in' with approach with the ATIS or the AWOS, therefore you should already know what the winds are. Now I agree on a particularly gusty day I like to know what the winds are on final, however I know way before I get to final if it's gusty or relatively calm because I've listened to the weather.

ATIS can be quite old and the winds can change a lot. I never trust the ATIS with accurate info unless it came out within a few minutes of my arriving in the airspace. Where I fly (south dakota) winds pick up and die down very quick (it usually coincides with sunrise and sunset... but that's usually when I'm taking off and landing).

That being said, unless I ask tower or it's gusty/windy I very seldom hear them give me the winds. But, I never hesitate to ask if I feel it necessary and they never hesitate to give me the info.

[Goldmember]

Don't get them often around the ohio valley until they get up around 15 with gusts.

[ChasenSFO]

Unless its really windy I usually don't get one at most airports. For whatever reason every time I transition the Delta at Moffet field they give me the altimeter then a wind check.

[ppragman]

I usually only get the wind unsolicited if I'm landing with a tailwind.

[mshunter]

Originally Posted by MikeD

Winds, along with the landing clearance, is an additional user fee.

[FM_Weasel]

Just to show you guys our requirement for giving the winds:

7110.65

3-5-3. TAILWIND COMPONENTS
When authorizing use of runways and a tailwind
component exists, always state both wind direction
and velocity.

NOTE
The wind may be described as “calm” when appropriate.

Of course they'll always be issued when requested or if we think there's good reason to (or just want to because we like to hear ourselves talk. And I do).

Anyone else notice that a hurried request for a wind check sounds like "BRAPGGG!" over the radio?

[tykrtr]

Originally Posted by braunpilot

There is a crosswind runway there that is 2900 feet and as long as the winds are not too strong I will use it. I refuse to use the winds off of ATIS unless it came out within the last five minutes. Too much changes at an airport near a downtown area.

I loved the runway 4--er--5, left turn into parking arrival... Much better than B-E-D-A.

You could always call the ASOS number with your cell -- or just keep asking for the wind and a different runway when you check on. Sooner or later you'll train 'em (except for one of 'em).

[Sunburn]

Originally Posted by ChasenSFO

Unless its really windy I usually don't get one at most airports. For whatever reason every time I transition the Delta at Moffet field they give me the altimeter then a wind check.

It may be a habit of the controllers, I know sometimes when I approve a transition through Stockton's Class D, I'll give wind and altimeter if I don't get the current ATIS/"Have the numbers". But the altimeter is required.

[flyguy63]

It's a good idea to always give it. One of the first questions asked when something goes wrong is "was the pilot issued the wind?"

[braunpilot]

Originally Posted by tykrtr

I loved the runway 4--er--5, left turn into parking arrival... Much better than B-E-D-A.

You could always call the ASOS number with your cell -- or just keep asking for the wind and a different runway when you check on. Sooner or later you'll train 'em (except for one of 'em).

Yes, that one is still there. Also, they changed all the taxiway names...now its B B1 B2 A. It's sad really. I do ask but I try to make sure I have an idea about the winds before hand....when did you fly out of CPS?

[BaronPete]

Originally Posted by MikeD

Winds, along with the landing clearance, is an additional user fee.

[Doug Taylor]

Took me a second too.

[utamav]

Straight from the .65 Section 3-10-5

"Issue surface wind when clearing an
aircraft to land, touch‐and‐go, stop‐and‐go, low
approach, or the option. Restate the landing runway
whenever there is a possibility of a conflict with
another aircraft which is using or is planning to use
another runway."

PHRASEOLOGY
WIND surface wind direction and velocity), CLEARED
TO LAND,
or
WIND (surface wind direction and velocity), RUNWAY
(designator) CLEARED TO LAND.

UTAMAV

[clestudentpilot]

Originally Posted by utamav

Straight from the .65 Section 3-10-5

"Issue surface wind when clearing an
aircraft to land, touch‐and‐go, stop‐and‐go, low
approach, or the option. Restate the landing runway
whenever there is a possibility of a conflict with
another aircraft which is using or is planning to use
another runway."

PHRASEOLOGY
WIND surface wind direction and velocity), CLEARED
TO LAND,
or
WIND (surface wind direction and velocity), RUNWAY
(designator) CLEARED TO LAND.

UTAMAV

Yes, but it is still not required, the only wind requirement is when there is a tailwind component. If you look up in the .65, what you just quoted is 3-10-5e, which is only applicable to the Navy and Army, it is in italics at the beginning of the section USA/USN. As I said, it only has to be issued with a tailwind component, or if you must issue it in accordance with an SOP.