Canadian-isms

[canadian_atc]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Cool!

Ok, 81 on the 9th if you're around!

I'll uhh, be asking for direct to TRAIT when handed off from Gander Center!

I might see ya then, not sure if I'm evening or day shift that day...

I don't mind giving directs during the flow if the right controller is working in Boston.
It's all the time of day and where the tracks are too, anytime tonight after 0100 local I'll be driving JFK guys direct ROBER all night.

[Doug Taylor]

I generally don't ask for too many directs. Besides the November routes are largely direct anyway so it's kind of a waste of your time when we ask, I think. Maybe I'm wrong, I dunno!

Question! If the freq's not busy, it's not too much of hassle when I say hello, is it?

[canadian_atc]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

I generally don't ask for too many directs. Besides the November routes are largely direct anyway so it's kind of a waste of your time when we ask, I think. Maybe I'm wrong, I dunno!

Question! If the freq's not busy, it's not too much of hassle when I say hello, is it?

God no, I'm sure you can tell when any of us are busy, depending on the airspace you're in we may be on the phone quite a bit talking to NY or Gander planner, most of the controllers around here actually are getting used to the odd hellos and such... I'm just waiting now for some other pilot to start asking for Biscut....

The NAR's are generally pretty direct, but your airline specifically has a habit lately where the westbound tracks have been south of filing routes like COLOR-MIILS-ENE... which is a helluva dogleg, but when we check the winds usually it's to avoid a nasty headwind everyone else is flying into, so it all balances out in the end.


All of this being said, I can't guarantee you won't run into an over-worked and irritable controller from time to time, but in general everyone here are great to work with, aside from the constant berating I take over being a Dolphins fan that is.

[Screaming_Emu]

Originally Posted by mrivc211

Oh and the other that gets me every time is when they tell us to contact departure airborne. I forget to do it every time. I'm just so used to being told to do it.

See, I actually like it better. It seems all the other airports contacting departure happens right as you're cleaning up the airplane and doing the after takeoff check.

[fish314]

Ok, so here is the world's worst Canada joke:

The residents of Canada (all six of them) were sitting around one day back a couple hundred years ago trying to decide what to name their new nation. A few suggestions were thrown about, like "Hoseria" and "The Democratic Republic of Hockey," but for the most part the citizens of our neighbor to the North were out of ideas. At one point, the smartest of the bunch decided that if they put all of the letters from a game of Scrabble into a hat, and picked the letters out one by one, they might be able to come up with something good using those letters. At the very least, it would pass the time.

So the letters go into the hat, and one by one, their leader pulls them out.

He says, "Alright everyone, I pulled out a C, eh?"
"Here's an 'N', eh?"
"And a 'D', eh?"

And that's how Canada got it's name.

(I know, I know, I told you it was awful...)

[Longrange]

USA will become MORE (ICAO MARCH 2010) ....
When we will use LINE UP and Wait RWY XXX

[Firebird2XC]

Originally Posted by canadian_atc

Possibly a trainee, but there's no excuse for anything but english on the frequency IMO.

Beats me.

Just remember that I'm an American and barely speak English and nobody'll get confused.

[Soul Brotha']

Very late to the show, but what is up with saying "Roger," after every time I respond to ATC?

P.S. my favorite overnights are always Canada. Guys/gals at my company don't like them but I enjoy Canada trips.

[NC_BE300]

Same here! I want to know if the "roger" after everything is just a habit, or some part of international ATC that we haven't heard read about.

I like the canada trips too.


Here is a true YUL customs story with one of my crews.....

Captain Hillbilly, upon getting to the front of line with the canadain customs agent is asked: "Any tobacco or alcohol?" (As in bringing in any)

Captain Hillbilly responds " Them are my childreenss names! "

FO (myself) just silently shakes my head, as the FA did the same.
The French speaking/serious canadain official wasnt impressed either.

No wonder other people dont like americans sometimes.

[canadian_atc]

French Canadians, well Quebecers anyway don't find any english people funny in my experience

[NC_BE300]

Originally Posted by canadian_atc

French Canadians, well Quebecers anyway don't find any english people funny in my experience

Based on my experience on that trip through customs i cant blame ya man!

I at least try to be polite and speak alittle french when i can, it works for me.

To many other people are just "annoyed to be in canada".
Whatever.
They should stay home or in the hotel. And in many cases they do, so the problem fixes itself.

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by canadian_atc

French Canadians, well Quebecers anyway don't find any english people funny in my experience

And what's up with the "Poutine" thing man?

Oh, I'm working 160 on the 13th. I'll say hi if I'm not on break and you're not on leave (again!)

[Nigel Croker]

Originally Posted by canadian_atc

French Canadians, well Quebecers anyway don't find any english people funny in my experience

Yeah they pretty much have surly attitudes towards everyone who isnt a french canadian...I once had a waitress in Toronto ask me why Uncle Sam couldnt nuke Quebec?, of course this was when Quebec was trying to succeed from the union......

[Alpha Lima]

Originally Posted by Soul Brotha'

Very late to the show, but what is up with saying "Roger," after every time I respond to ATC?

Cant quote anything since im not Canadian but i do believe they are required to acknowledge all pilot transmissions. So they have to roger your read back aswell. Kinda silly

[chris]

In YYZ I never call them ramp or apron. I just say "toronto jazz 283 at..." In fact, anywhere in canada I dont think I refer to them as apron.

Up here we always joke about the accents of controllers in EWR and BOS. ATL cracks me up too. My favourite controllers are with NY center.

There's one YYZ controller who the jazz and air canada guys refer to as "roj." Instead of saying "roger" he always says "roj." I find the YYZ controllers great and accomodating.

As far as Tim Hortons goes, well Im not a huge fan. I prefer Starbucks and Second Cup, especially since now they have the christmas blend. I dont like how in the USA the starbucks only have the mild blend. In Canada there's always a bold/mild choice, so in the US I go with McDonald's coffee.

The lineups in T1 at YYZ at Tim's in the morning is absolutely ridiculous too! Ive waited 15+ minutes to get a coffee. Terrible service, but I still go. I think they put nicotine in their coffee

[canadian_atc]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

And what's up with the "Poutine" thing man?

Oh, I'm working 160 on the 13th. I'll say hi if I'm not on break and you're not on leave (again!)

Hey hey, I wasn't on leave... I was actually there that day! Mind you on Overtime, so I shoulda been on days off....

Poutine? Man please tell me you've had it. It's the most unholy unhealthy thing you can put in your body, but MAN is it good!

[canadian_atc]

Originally Posted by chris

In YYZ I never call them ramp or apron. I just say "toronto jazz 283 at..." In fact, anywhere in canada I dont think I refer to them as apron.

Up here we always joke about the accents of controllers in EWR and BOS. ATL cracks me up too. My favourite controllers are with NY center.

There's one YYZ controller who the jazz and air canada guys refer to as "roj." Instead of saying "roger" he always says "roj." I find the YYZ controllers great and accomodating.

As far as Tim Hortons goes, well Im not a huge fan. I prefer Starbucks and Second Cup, especially since now they have the christmas blend. I dont like how in the USA the starbucks only have the mild blend. In Canada there's always a bold/mild choice, so in the US I go with McDonald's coffee.

The lineups in T1 at YYZ at Tim's in the morning is absolutely ridiculous too! Ive waited 15+ minutes to get a coffee. Terrible service, but I still go. I think they put nicotine in their coffee

Hey Chris, you're a Jazz pilot?

RJ or Dash?

[chris]

Originally Posted by canadian_atc

Hey Chris, you're a Jazz pilot?

RJ or Dash?

RJ, based in YYZ. Nice to see another fellow canuck here!

[canadian_atc]

Originally Posted by chris

RJ, based in YYZ. Nice to see another fellow canuck here!

Ahh right on.

I'm sure I've spoken to you on more than one occasion, question for you though, are you guys dual-typed on the 100/200's and the newer 900's?

My guess would be no, but the topic did come up at work the other day.

[chris]

Originally Posted by canadian_atc

Ahh right on.

I'm sure I've spoken to you on more than one occasion, question for you though, are you guys dual-typed on the 100/200's and the newer 900's?

My guess would be no, but the topic did come up at work the other day.

Yeah we fly them all. There actually isn't a separate type-rating in Canada, all RJs are covered under the CL65 type. When hired, we just had to go through a "differences" groundschool which was 1 day of class and 3 sim sessions, if I recall.

What center/frequency do you normally work?

[Soul Brotha']

Some observations I noticed:

-Why are the lights on the taxiway directly on the yellow lines?
-Why aren't the runways grooved?
-Why is there a t/o noise restricition in the early morning(don't these people realize they live near an airport)?
-Why are Canadian ATC the nicest folks to talk to?
-Why did we actually get a hold two weeks ago going into CYUL? Is the airport that busy? (Yes there was weather with low ceilings).
-Why do we need to slow down to 200 knots under 3000 feet?
-Why does Toronto Center ask if we have the ATIS so far out from the airport?

These maybe dumb questions but if I don't know how will I know if they are stupid?

[KLB]

Originally Posted by Soul Brotha'

-Why do we need to slow down to 200 knots under 3000 feet?

It's so easy to forget that one when I'm flying up there!


Oh and I've noticed that Canadians are nice folks in general. I've only hd one experience a Canadian that was a real meany. It was a CBP agent at the airport in Hamilton. He was incredibly rude!

[chris]

Originally Posted by Soul Brotha'

Some observations I noticed:

-Why are the lights on the taxiway directly on the yellow lines?
-Why aren't the runways grooved?
-Why is there a t/o noise restricition in the early morning(don't these people realize they live near an airport)?
-Why are Canadian ATC the nicest folks to talk to?
-Why did we actually get a hold two weeks ago going into CYUL? Is the airport that busy? (Yes there was weather with low ceilings).
-Why do we need to slow down to 200 knots under 3000 feet?
-Why does Toronto Center ask if we have the ATIS so far out from the airport?

These maybe dumb questions but if I don't know how will I know if they are stupid?

1. Some runways are in fact grooved. Not sure which airports have them, but Im pretty dang sure the bigger airports do.

2. The t/o noise restriction... ah yes. At YYZ, they have a 630am curfew. You can land/depart before that, but you have to pay for it. We have some flights that are scheduled to arrive at 630am, with a strong tailwind or weak headwind, we've had to do a lot of holding at Wasie waypoint. I dont know why airports have these curfews, but im sure some rich city folk have friends in high places.

3. YUL can be a busy place. With IMC conditions, they probably needed to keep the spacing, thus the hold. No different than going into EWR Id imagine, just on a smaller scale.

4. Speed restrictions in Canada are 250 below 10000 and 200 kts below 3000ft within 10sm of the airport.

5. I dont know why some airports are gung-ho about having the ATIS. Most ATC will just tell you what the info is and ask you to get it.

[canadian_atc]

Hey Chris,

Agree with all of your answers of course, check the pm's.

[germb747]

Canada isn't all that bad once you've tried flying in Kyrgyzstan.