Cirrus Vision SF50

KVNC · November 3rd, 2009, 20:25

I had the opportunity to watch a demonstration of the Cirrus Jet. Here are some pictures I took:

jynxyjoe · November 3rd, 2009, 20:28

I have a Vision.

Not gonna happen.

Adler · November 3rd, 2009, 22:25

wow, that first silhouette one is awesome!

ManlyAKpilot · November 3rd, 2009, 22:40

Beautiful plane!

Adler · November 3rd, 2009, 22:49

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Originally Posted by ManlyAKpilot

Beautiful plane!

(not to try to take away from your amazing pictures but)
I liked the ECJ better. At least they could go upside down

Oh yea, and it had de-icing! Notice any on the SJ50?

NJT916 · November 3rd, 2009, 23:01

Looks better on my iPhone app. Nice helmet...

TFaudree_ERAU · November 3rd, 2009, 23:22

It just so happens to be the color of....

KSCessnaDriver · November 4th, 2009, 00:47

I don't know about you guys, but that fuselage looks awfully draggy. After some research, this thing only has 1,900 lbs of thrust. Something tells me this thing is no speed machine, at all. Heck, even the ugly Diamond D-Jet looks nicer than this.

In any case, those are some sweet pictures.

Adler · November 4th, 2009, 00:50

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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver

I don't know about you guys, but that fuselage looks awfully draggy. After some research, this thing only has 1,900 lbs of thrust. Something tells me this thing is no speed machine, at all. Heck, even the ugly Diamond D-Jet looks nicer than this.

In any case, those are some sweet pictures.

300 knots

Bsmiller05 · November 4th, 2009, 10:53

That thing came to PDK last week and did a few low passes for the tower and for Epps. It was pretty cool to watch. Also, very quiet.

KSCessnaDriver · November 4th, 2009, 11:38

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Originally Posted by Adler

300 knots

Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it. The comparably sized D-Jet claims a cruise speed of 240.

Maurus · November 4th, 2009, 12:53

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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver

Yeah, I'll believe that when I see it. The comparably sized D-Jet claims a cruise speed of 240.

Max cruise speed is actually 315 in the D-Jet. 240 is the best range cruise speed.

Av8rWannaB · November 4th, 2009, 17:33

Great pics.

KSCessnaDriver · November 4th, 2009, 17:37

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Originally Posted by Maurus

Max cruise speed is actually 315 in the D-Jet. 240 is the best range cruise speed.

I understand that. What I don't understand, is how a jet the fundamentally is bigger (SJ-50 versus D-Jet), an yet is going to go faster, on less thrust. Granted, I'm no engineer, but I don't think the SJ-50 is that much of a cleaner airframe to get it those numbers.

ftyflyboy · November 4th, 2009, 18:23

that profile picture is just plain ugly

mshunter · November 4th, 2009, 19:32

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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver

I understand that. What I don't understand, is how a jet the fundamentally is bigger (SJ-50 versus D-Jet), an yet is going to go faster, on less thrust. Granted, I'm no engineer, but I don't think the SJ-50 is that much of a cleaner airframe to get it those numbers.

Think Piaggo Avanti P.180II.

KSCessnaDriver · November 4th, 2009, 19:55

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Originally Posted by mshunter

Think Piaggo Avanti P.180II.

I kind of see that, after looking at it for a while now. That said, I'd bet this 300 knot cruise business is a marketing number, not from the flight guys.

TFaudree_ERAU · November 4th, 2009, 20:03

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Originally Posted by KSCessnaDriver

I kind of see that, after looking at it for a while now. That said, I'd bet this 300 knot cruise business is a marketing number, not from the flight guys.

#1 rule of aircraft performance: Subtract 15 knots from the brochure numbers.

OldTownPilot · November 4th, 2009, 20:24

I personally use the 10% rule. 10% less range, speed, payload, space etc......

mshunter · November 5th, 2009, 00:45

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Originally Posted by OldTownPilot

I personally use the 10% rule. 10% less range, speed, payload, space etc......

That sounds about right. I like the 10% rule.

ProudPilot · November 6th, 2009, 09:05

Why two stall strips per wing? I mean isn't a little buffet over the flaps enough or is the second one for ailerons. If so, please tell me the ailerons aren't that big that they come in that far,

As far as drag, if it's composite it takes a TON of drag off the airplane with it being so much closer to laminar flow. Take the SR20 and Piper Arrow. The 20's got a few extra horsepower but a huge advantage in speed, climb, t/o and landing performance. The SR20's we had even beat the PA44's.

ackeight · November 6th, 2009, 17:26

Looks like it should be a UAV

jhugz · November 6th, 2009, 17:38

I sure won't be flying this airplane due to it not being able to recover from a spin.

Maurus · November 6th, 2009, 18:24

You don't exactly hear about many jets getting into spins these days.

jhugz · November 6th, 2009, 18:56

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Originally Posted by Maurus

You don't exactly hear about many jets getting into spins these days.

Did I seriously need the tag?

November 3rd, 2009, 20:28	#2
jynxyjoe Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Memphis Posts: 3,631	Re: Cirrus Vision SF50 I have a Vision. Not gonna happen. __________________ I'm fine with pilots being allowed naps in cockpits, as long as we get to wear pajamas. End 16 hour duty days.

November 3rd, 2009, 22:25	#3
Adler Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Kalamazoo / W. Bloomfield, MI Posts: 263	Re: Cirrus Vision SF50 wow, that first silhouette one is awesome! __________________ Com. AMES AMEL ASEL Instrument; with only 250 hours

November 3rd, 2009, 22:40	#4
ManlyAKpilot Senior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Wrangell Posts: 313	Re: Cirrus Vision SF50 Beautiful plane! __________________ Private ASEL

November 3rd, 2009, 23:01	#6
NJT916 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Sin City and Singapore Posts: 563	Re: Cirrus Vision SF50 Looks better on my iPhone app. Nice helmet...

November 3rd, 2009, 23:22	#7
TFaudree_ERAU Old Skool Join Date: May 2006 Location: Virginia is for Lovers, yacht chasing on the weekends Posts: 2,952	Re: Cirrus Vision SF50 It just so happens to be the color of....

November 3rd, 2009, 20:25	#1
KVNC Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: TPA Posts: 317	Cirrus Vision SF50 I had the opportunity to watch a demonstration of the Cirrus Jet. Here are some pictures I took: __________________ If God meant man to fly, He'd have given us bigger wallets.

November 4th, 2009, 00:47	#8
KSCessnaDriver Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2008 Location: OJC/DAB Posts: 601	Re: Cirrus Vision SF50 I don't know about you guys, but that fuselage looks awfully draggy. After some research, this thing only has 1,900 lbs of thrust. Something tells me this thing is no speed machine, at all. Heck, even the ugly Diamond D-Jet looks nicer than this. In any case, those are some sweet pictures. __________________ KSCessnaDriver (Commercial SEL/MEL, Private SES, IA)

November 4th, 2009, 10:53	#10
Bsmiller05 Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: ATL/PDK Posts: 58	Re: Cirrus Vision SF50 That thing came to PDK last week and did a few low passes for the tower and for Epps. It was pretty cool to watch. Also, very quiet. __________________ 12/09/08 - PUBNAT 7 03/19/09 - AT-SAT Authorized 06/08/09 - AT-SAT Test Date 06/10/09 - WQ 07/06/09 - PUBNAT 8 07/24/09 - Geo Pref for 7 (GA, FL) 10/21/09 - PUB7 Referral List

November 4th, 2009, 17:33	#13
Av8rWannaB Newbie Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 8	Re: Cirrus Vision SF50 Great pics.

November 4th, 2009, 18:23	#15
ftyflyboy Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Phoenix Posts: 307	Re: Cirrus Vision SF50 that profile picture is just plain ugly __________________ I'm on a Plane...I can't complain - Kurt Cobain

November 4th, 2009, 20:24	#19
OldTownPilot Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: Bang'er and Bah Habah Posts: 4,209 Blog Entries: 10	Re: Cirrus Vision SF50 I personally use the 10% rule. 10% less range, speed, payload, space etc...... __________________ As a wise man said, sumb!tch flew in, sumb!tch'll fly out. Ski Hard. Party Harder.

November 6th, 2009, 09:05	#21
ProudPilot Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Grand Forks, ND Posts: 443	Re: Cirrus Vision SF50 Why two stall strips per wing? I mean isn't a little buffet over the flaps enough or is the second one for ailerons. If so, please tell me the ailerons aren't that big that they come in that far, As far as drag, if it's composite it takes a TON of drag off the airplane with it being so much closer to laminar flow. Take the SR20 and Piper Arrow. The 20's got a few extra horsepower but a huge advantage in speed, climb, t/o and landing performance. The SR20's we had even beat the PA44's. __________________ 7/6/2009 PUBNAT8 11/13/2009 ATSAT St Charles, IL 11/18/2009 ATSAT 85.3

November 6th, 2009, 17:26	#22
ackeight Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: Dallas Posts: 450	Re: Cirrus Vision SF50 Looks like it should be a UAV

November 6th, 2009, 17:38	#23
jhugz Old Skool Join Date: May 2007 Location: YMCA Posts: 1,711	Re: Cirrus Vision SF50 I sure won't be flying this airplane due to it not being able to recover from a spin. __________________ DHC-8-200 FA \| AGI.IGI \| CSEL.CMEL \| CFIA.CFII.MEI

November 6th, 2009, 18:24	#24
Maurus Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: NE Ohio Posts: 1,605	Re: Cirrus Vision SF50 You don't exactly hear about many jets getting into spins these days. __________________ “I count him braver who overcomes his desires than him who conquers his enemies; for the hardest victory is over self.” - Aristotle

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