Good MEL combo

[C150J]

No, it wasn't THAT bad. Just rare to see both of these items MEL'd. The HSI MFD screen came in pretty handy. Kind of felt like flying a light twin again!

[XcalibeR]

Originally Posted by C150J

No, it wasn't THAT bad. Just rare to see both of these items MEL'd. The HSI MFD screen came in pretty handy. Kind of felt like flying a light twin again!

Wait, so your MEL only requires you to put a placard on that says..."Placarded"?

Weird.

[C150J]

In your experience, what have you seen? What do they do at your operation? I've worked at a few places and haven't seen anything drastically different.

Whenever we swap aircraft we just hope to see none of those, particularly near the APU PWR/FUEL switch.

[USMC-SGT]

I went old school yesterday as well. We had a pressurization MEL (not sure why because the manual mode still worked) and we were given 8,000 feet from EWR to PIT. I figured since I was flying at 250 knots at 8000 feet in small cabin class twin mode that I may as well continue the trend and handflew the whole way. The airplane does not handfly well and you screw with the trim the entire flight as there are always 3 people walking the length of the aircraft at all times. It kept the boredom at bay while cruising a 100 knots slower TAS than normal. I dont want to hear it beech guys, we all know you handfly every leg, but at least the airplane trims out because your pax do not move.

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by XcalibeR

Wait, so your MEL only requires you to put a placard on that says..."Placarded"?

Weird.

Really weird. Kind of like having a sign that says "sign", or a sticky note with the words "sticky note" written on it.

I'm thinking that's not really a kosher way to placard an MEL'd component. It doesn't tell the pilot the status of the item. The placard (which is just another word for a small sign or notice) needs to tell the pilot something about the item. INOP...NA above FL290...whatever...not just "placarded". "Placarded" is not the same as "Inoperative".

[C150J]

Originally Posted by SteveC

Really weird. Kind of like having a sign that says "sign", or a sticky note with the words "sticky note" written on it.

I'm thinking that's not really a kosher way to placard an MEL'd component. It doesn't tell the pilot the status of the item. The placard (which is just another word for a small sign or notice) needs to tell the pilot something about the item. INOP...NA above FL290...whatever...not just "placarded". "Placarded" is not the same as "Inoperative".

You got me - the past two POIs I've worked with approved it... I agree that it doesn't explain much!

[coa787]

What does "MEL" mean? I've seen it a few times before.

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by C150J

In your experience, what have you seen? What do they do at your operation? I've worked at a few places and haven't seen anything drastically different.

Whenever we swap aircraft we just hope to see none of those, particularly near the APU PWR/FUEL switch.

At my last two companies, it's involved a logbook writeup, a call to maintenance, a control number, etc.

[vheissu]

Originally Posted by coa787

What does "MEL" mean? I've seen it a few times before.

Minimum Equipment List. Basically, it is a certain list of items that can be inoperative and the flight can still continue by following the proper procedure.

[Doug Taylor]

Basically, it it breaks and it's not on the MEL, you's ain't goin' flyin'

[coa787]

Cool. Thanks.

[C150J]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

At my last two companies, it's involved a logbook writeup, a call to maintenance, a control number, etc.

This absolutely holds true at our operation - I was just referring to the writing on the sticker.

[XcalibeR]

Originally Posted by C150J

In your experience, what have you seen? What do they do at your operation? I've worked at a few places and haven't seen anything drastically different.

Whenever we swap aircraft we just hope to see none of those, particularly near the APU PWR/FUEL switch.

I've only used the ones at UND. They read, word for word:

UND AEROSPACE MEL PLACARD
Aircraft inspected or determined
Airworthy with _________ INOP
MEL ATA Ref ____________
By ________________ for MX

We have to fill that out twice, one sticker by the inop item, the other in the aircraft dispatch book. Then we have to fill out the discrepancy form for maintenance.

Granted, this is UND, where they are known for going way overboard on legalize and safety related items. This is all for a PA28. I just thought that placard that says "placard" was kind of redundant, lol.

[ERfly]

Our stickers say:

INOP
Control # ________

There is usually some space on them to write was is MEL'd, especially if it's something in the cabin, because those just go on the dash.

[surreal1221]

Wow. . .now that sucks.

[Seggy]

Sheeeesh

Do you guys want a Naval Flying Cross for flying a turbine airplane without an autopilot or FMS?


cry me a freaking river...

[Seggy]

Originally Posted by USMC-SGT

I dont want to hear it beech guys, we all know you handfly every leg, but at least the airplane trims out because your pax do not move.

FAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAR from true.

Watch what you post about the Beech if you don't know!

[ComplexHiAv8r]

Originally Posted by USMC-SGT

I went old school yesterday as well. We had a pressurization MEL (not sure why because the manual mode still worked) and we were given 8,000 feet from EWR to PIT.

Aren't you flying a new Q400? How much time is on the bird and already having a pressurization MEL??

[USMC-SGT]

I dont know what the problem was all aboot, the Canadians built it ay.

Seggy,
I retract my previous statement about the Beech, I have no idea how it trims. Although I do have .4 sim time in it.

[ERfly]

Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

Aren't you flying a new Q400? How much time is on the bird and already having a pressurization MEL??

Something tells me, with the history of it's operator, this is only the beginning.

[C150J]

Originally Posted by Seggy

Sheeeesh

Do you guys want a Naval Flying Cross for flying a turbine airplane without an autopilot or FMS?


cry me a freaking river...

I had to use the hand mic too!

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by ERfly

Something tells me, with the history of it's operator, this is only the beginning.

I'm waiting to see the gear pinned down on those things and hearing them say choice comments to New York approach like, "Sorry sir we're restricted to 180 knots....yes sir we're ready to copy holding instructions and a phone number."

[ERfly]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

I'm waiting to see the gear pinned down on those things and hearing them say choice comments to New York approach like, "Sorry sir we're restricted to 180 knots....yes sir we're ready to copy holding instructions and a phone number."

No. That will never happen. It can't. This airplane is the Savior of all that is Newark! It will always use 11/29 and relieve every last bit of congestion in the New York skies. It is the perfect solution. Or so says Baldy Big Teeth.