Private 727

[MarkE]

Mpenguin1 arranged for a tour of some rich dude's private 727 at VNY. We met with the captain, Ed, and he was kind enough to show us around. Thanks again Mike! And uhh, ahem. Where were to two Armens?!

Here's some pictures. I'm not the best photographer but you'll get the idea.

http://gallery.mac.com/mark172/100098

[SpiraMirabilis]

lol on the fuzzy dice.

[MFT1Air]

OK, so where's the registry? I'm believing it's overseas.

[ricecakecm]

Originally Posted by MFT1Air

OK, so where's the registry? I'm believing it's overseas.

Bahamas. I saw that airplane at KDAL one day and talked to the crew a bit. They had it registered in the Bahamas to avoid having to deal with Part 125 and instead, basicly operate it Part 91.

[USMC-SGT]

Originally Posted by SpiraMirabilis

lol on the fuzzy dice.

The fuzzy dice are very common in the larger boeing series converted business jets. With the additional weight considerations regarding the fine leather and the imported burlwoods and such the dice are an integral part to the weight and balance equation. Often times depending on the lavishness of the owners it may get so out of hand that fuzzy dice just are not enough and that is often when you see a hula dancer or in rare situations a bobble head doll in addition to the dice.

amateurs

[MarkE]

Originally Posted by ricecakecm

Bahamas. I saw that airplane at KDAL one day and talked to the crew a bit. They had it registered in the Bahamas to avoid having to deal with Part 125 and instead, basicly operate it Part 91.

Someone at the FSDO had a problem with the brown color on the instrumentation panels as well as some other minor things. They spent an ungodly amount of money on it so instead of redoing it, registered it in the Bahamas

[MFT1Air]

Originally Posted by ricecakecm

Bahamas. I saw that airplane at KDAL one day and talked to the crew a bit. They had it registered in the Bahamas to avoid having to deal with Part 125 and instead, basicly operate it Part 91.

Got it; had to look it up as well.

http://www.airportcitycodes.com/aaa/IRPDB.html

[OldTownPilot]

VP-B** is Bahamas, While VP-C** is Cayman Islands. One of the few places where the characters "pre dash" does not specify the country of registration. (well kinda)

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Is that a 100 or 200 model 727?

[PositiveRate737]

Ya I wish I could have made it.. We got stuck in traffic and got there at around 9 no one was around so I assumed the tour already started...Next time..

[calcapt]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

Is that a 100 or 200 model 727?

It's a 200. The 100's have sterling silver showers, not gold.

Seriously, you can tell the 100's because the yoke is not centered between the pilots legs; therefore, this is a -200.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by calcapt

It's a 200. The 100's have sterling silver showers, not gold.

Seriously, you can tell the 100's because the yoke is not centered between the pilots legs; therefore, this is a -200.

200 Advanced with the *I think* 19k thrust rated engines rock!

[MarkE]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

200 Advanced with the *I think* 19k thrust rated engines rock!

Not sure how accurate it is but on FlightAware it's listed as a -100.
The captain also mentioned that the engines are off of an MD-80.

[calcapt]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

200 Advanced with the *I think* 19k thrust rated engines rock!

Continental used the JT8D-9 (14,500# of thrust) and the JT8D-15 (15,500# thrust) for domestic birds. Some of our Guam 72s had the JT8D-17s rated at 16,000 pounds of thrust. We had a few 100s that only had the -9s.

Who knows what some of the newer engine mods put out? You say 19k? That would be a rocket.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by calcapt

Continental used the JT8D-9 (14,500# of thrust) and the JT8D-15 (15,500# thrust) for domestic birds. Some of our Guam 72s had the JT8D-17s rated at 16,000 pounds of thrust. We had a few 100s that only had the -9s.

Who knows what some of the newer engine mods put out? You say 19k? That would be a rocket.

I think it was 19k, not sure. Might have been 17k at highest. Doug would know!

I read once that the 727 is the fastest non super sonic commercial jet after the 747!

...dang!

[calcapt]

Originally Posted by MarkE

Not sure how accurate it is but on FlightAware it's listed as a -100.
The captain also mentioned that the engines are off of an MD-80.

It certainly could be as it is difficult to tell by the pictures. On all the 727-100s I have flown the yokes have been offset from center and were very noticeable. Perhaps with all the mods they fixed that. I would think you could get a 727 real cheap these days. It would be the keeping them running that would cost you a fortune. The MD80 and the 727 both used the P&W JT8D series engines.

[calcapt]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

I think it was 19k, not sure. Might have been 17k at highest. Doug would know!

I read once that the 727 is the fastest non super sonic commercial jet after the 747!

...dang!

We routinely flew our 747s at .88 and our 727s at .84

I have seen .90 plus several times on the 747. It's amazing how big that plane is and how fast it goes. I was a Flight Engineer on our 747s before the bean counters said we couldn't afford to fly them.

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by calcapt

We routinely flew our 747s at .88 and our 727s at .84

I have seen .90 plus several times on the 747. It's amazing how big that plane is and how fast it goes. I was a Flight Engineer on our 747s before the bean counters said we couldn't afford to fly them.

hold on and I'll find the guys post who said that he is a FDX driver on GVA!

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by calcapt

We routinely flew our 747s at .88 and our 727s at .84

I have seen .90 plus several times on the 747. It's amazing how big that plane is and how fast it goes. I was a Flight Engineer on our 747s before the bean counters said we couldn't afford to fly them.

Originally Posted by some guy

-The 727 is the second fastest airliner ever built. Only the Concorde is faster. The 747's are very close, but I took a 727-200 equipped with the smallest engines installed on this airframe, the JT8D-7, from Dayton to Roswell, NM one day and we set max cruise thrust, according to the book. I had to pull the engines way back to stay below .89 mach. We were ferrying an airplane to the desert, a day short of losing our job since the company was going under. I told my FO: "Let's see how fast this thing can go". It was the crowning achievement in my 2500 hours of 727 time, which has included barrel-rolls.

YES, the airframe was rumbling! I watched the sonic waves dance on top of the wings like cute guys in a club. We pulled the thrust levers back and managed to cruise at .84, but we were still burning 3000 pounds per hour per engine, even with an empty airplane at low speed.

Oh snap, correction he says the 727 is faster than the 747!

[calcapt]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

Oh snap, correction he says the 727 is faster than the 747!

It could be. We never flew them that fast as they were sooooo noisy. Both airplanes are incredible even by today's modern standards.

[calcapt]

I had to pull the engines way back to stay below .89 mach. We were ferrying an airplane to the desert, a day short of losing our job since the company was going under.



Flying at .89 Mach? No wonder they were going under....

[DE727UPS]

I'm going to say it's a -200. The -100 had an oval shaped number two engine cowling, not round, like this one.

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

I'm going to say it's a -200. The -100 had an oval shaped number two engine cowling, not round, like this one.

Correcto.

The 727 is just a gorgeous aircraft.

Looks like they did a great job updating the cockpit as well, but it looks like a block-III autopilot, unless I'm mistaken.

[Bigey]

I'm trying to upload the pictures i have from the tour we got like a year ago...

It's funny...same bird with different reg. number. I have a pic with me in front of it saying N727GP. Interesting...

Also, i'm 100% sure it's a 727-100.

http://www.jetphotos.net/showphotos....27GP&view=true

To those not believing. And some more proof from flightaware! http://flightaware.com/live/flight/N727GP

[calcapt]

The FAA records indicate this is a 727-200. I think that is the definitive source.

FAA Registry
N-Number Inquiry Results

N727GP has multiple records

Reserved N-Number Type Reservation Hold Mode S Code
52337061 Reserved Date
02/28/2007 Renewal Date
None Purge Date
02/28/2009 Pending Number Change
None Date Change Authorized
None Reserving Party Name
CANCELLED/NOT ASSIGNED Street
None City
None State
FOREIGN Zip Code
None County

Country
NOT FOUND

Deregistered Aircraft 1 of 1

Aircraft Description
Serial Number 19260 Type Registration Corporation Manufacturer Name
BOEING
Certificate Issue Date
09/01/2004 Model
727-21
Mode S Code
52337061 Year Manufacturer
1967
Cancel Date
02/28/2007 Reason for Cancellation
Exported
Exported To
BERMUDA


Aircraft Registration prior to Deregistration

Name MALIBU CONSULTING CORP Street
11740 SAN VICENTE BLVD STE 208 City
LOS ANGELES State CALIFORNIA Zip Code 90049-6610 County
LOS ANGELES Country
UNITED STATES


Airworthiness Engine Manufacturer P & W Classification
Standard Engine Model
JT8D-1
Category
Transport









A/W Date
05/18/1967


Other Owner Names
None