Anyone need a Chicago area safety pilot?

[tlewis95]

Looking to ride along for anyone wanting to fly under hood, mainly because I was told that I could log it! (4:20AM, I dont feel like looking up how, lol)

I need some complex time so that I can rent the Arrow from the local FBO. But, would be able to log PIC in a complex aircraft, without a complex endorsement even if the guy in the left seat was under the hood?

I would be willing to ride/watch in anything you got for me, in a desperate search for cheap flight time to get to commercial requirements, which is really hard to do as a 17 year old working odd little jobs.

Let me know!

[greekpilot]

do you have your multi by any chance?

[Gumps]

Hey Trace, we've never met but I fly out of Sky Soaring and have seen your dad speak many times and have seen you around at the seminars. It's good to see you coming up in the ranks. You've got the right idea building time as a safety pilot. You're suspicions are correct though, you'll need the complex endorsement to be a safety pilot in a complex aircraft. (61.31e,1)
Here's the trick.

1. Find an instructor that you know at the FBO that will fly an hour or so with you in the arrow, and give you the necessary ground instruction. Log both flight and ground instruction.
2. With that you can get the endorsement.
3. Then you can be a safety pilot in complex aircraft.

You can even do the flight part in a sim/FTD. Just tell the instructor what you're up to and they should go along with it if they know you well and you can handle the aircraft. (Of course as a fellow glider pilot I know you'll do just fine!)
If the fbo requires a lengthy check out (10 hours or so) make sure to apply that time to a rating, make cross country flights under the hood, etc. Try to kill as many birds with the proverbial stone as possible.

[tlewis95]

Gumps,

Ya that sounds like a good idea! But I still need someone to ride with after the endorsement, lol.

Speaking of gliders at Sky Soaring, I am going to be flying that little memorial day race that is going on in a week or so.

Will you be out there?

[jhugz]

I may be wrong and a cfi pleez correct me but to safety pilot you only have to have the necessary ratings...and an endorsement is not a rating...thus you can act as a safety pilot of a complex aircraft even if you don't have a complex endorsement

[Gumps]

-Jhugz, Trace here is interested in building time while riding along in the right seat for pilots under the hood. To log flight time as PIC a pilot must be rated in category, class and type (if required) and hold the nessesary endorsements. (At any time, not just as a safty pilot.) Could he legaly ride along without the endorsements and not log the time? I don't feel like looking into that one! Besides, what's the point Trace here is looking to bulid some time, not do charity work. Good questions brought up though...

Trace, I couldn't be at 55LL last weekend for the contest unfortunately. I'm in ATL doin' some flying and racking up a bunch-o-ratings while looking after a sick mother in law. Hopefully I'll be back by the fall.

Remember, if you can see the the ground you're not in the cloud!

[tlewis95]

*Bump*

[splash]

Can be a safety pilot in the plane but he can not log the time until endorsed. Good luck finding someone kid-o.

[jhugz]

Logging PIC and acting as PIC is really two different things.

FAR's part 91.109b(1)states...The other control seat is occupied by a safety pilot who possesses at least a private pilot certificate with category and class ratings appropriate to the aircraft being flown. (nothing about endorsements)

A private pilot may log pilot-in-command time only for that flight during which that person:

61.51(3) Is acting as pilot in command of an aircraft on which more than one pilot is required under the type certification of the aircraft or the regulations under which the flight is conducted.

You are required to be there (simulated instrument) thus you can log it as PIC.

[splash]

You are right jhugz. sorry about that, I remembered wrong. Thanks for the correction.