Any UPS pilots?

[I_Money]

Oh I see - I remember going back school was much more challanging then you thought, and I thought you would stay out of the classroom for a few more years. If you do it right - this upgrade could be your last one.

I still think you are the man - you balance work/life so well. I will never forget shortly after 9/11 where you said if there were lay offs at UPS, you would look into the feasibility of volunteering to keep someone in more need in a job.

Now we just need to find you a women - I did a seach

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She is a 26 year old Christian, that is down with balding men! She is fine with any job, including ones with crap schedules! She sounds perfect!

[DE727UPS]

HAHA...I'm almost old enough to be her father.

Nice try Iain, but I'm not interested in being married.

[I_Money]

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HAHA...I'm almost old enough to be her father.



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I choose them well - and she is into balding men. If you want one slightly older Click Here

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Nice try Iain, but I'm not interested in being married.

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You looked! As a salesman, I know that is a buying sign!! You are shopping, but the market in Spokane must just be bad!

[Tim]

DE have you heard of UPS changing its min PIC time. A buddy who flies RJ's had applied recently. with the help of a very high senority guy there and 6 recommendations, told me the other day that for insurance reasons the amount of PIC time changed. Any word on that. His big connection has been flying for UPS since day one of air operations.

[MCP]

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Check out the Air guard/reserves.They will pay for your ratings then you can decide.I am about to enlist as a loadmaster with hopes of going to UPT.If you like it build time and go to the airlines or corporate outfits.Or get a full time slot with you unit and have the best of both worlds.And in todays world there isn't much job stability.

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The Guard/Reserve isn't the easy life it used to be. If one is using it as a timebuilder, they're gonna be very disappointed when they find themselves in Iraq. Flying is but a small part of being a military pilot. The AF doesn't want pilots, they want future pencil pushers.

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A VERY good family friend of ours is a C-5 Pilot in the full active AF and is now a colonel (managed to make colonel by the age of 35-36, IIRC. He may be a higher rank now, it's been a few years since we spoke to him). About a year or two after making colonel, his flying was cut so far back that he is now almost only maintaining currency. He is pretty disappointed and misses the flying. 1st or 2nd in his class at the Air Force Academy, stunning career, and now he doesn't even really get to fly that much any longer. The funny part is that there isn't even any politics involved. He gets along with everybody great and has had NO issues with any of his superiors that I know of. "This is just how it goes. Now I get to fly a desk", he said.

I aksed him about a career flying in the Air Force (before he got his hours cut back) and he used to say, "Do me favor and exercise all your options before deciding to come here. There are "better" avenues out there. It isn't all it's cracked up to be." He used to have a Delta application in the top center drawer of his desk he would take out every once in a while to look at.

I also read a book about Navy/Marine pilots and the section pertaining to the Marines talked about how once they start to get up there in rank (Major, IIRC), only about 17% of their time is actually flying. After that, their hours go down more and more and more. They become "administrative workers" in a sense and pilots second.

I hear the fighter and attack guys get even more reductions then the transport guys regarding hours as their career progresses. Is that corect, Mike?

[DE727UPS]

Sorry for the late reply. I believe UPS is still looking for 1000 PIC turbine, though it may be an unwritten, general, guidline.

[MCP]

Hey, UPS, I heard that UPS pilot slots are some of the hardest in the industry to obtain. Is this due to the type of flying you guys do or is it due to the type of equipment you guys use or something else (such as, why take lower time guys if you don't have too)?

[DE727UPS]

When I got hired at UPS, it wasn't considered one of the best places to go by a lot of guys. There was a lot of hiring going on at the majors and Delta, American, and United were THE places to work. Today, Fedex and UPS are considered by most to be the best jobs. These companies are making money and their pilot groups haven't been forced to take cuts or furlough. So...it makes getting on with UPS pretty tough cause there is a lot of competition. Has nothing to do with night flying or the type of planes we fly.

[A300Capt]

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Hey, UPS, I heard that UPS pilot slots are some of the hardest in the industry to obtain. Is this due to the type of flying you guys do or is it due to the type of equipment you guys use or something else (such as, why take lower time guys if you don't have too)?



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UPS is making profits of close to a BILLION dollars every quarter and double digit growth internationally. Pax carriers are bleeding red and losing 100's of millions a quarter along with an uncertain future.

I wish every airline was doing well, profitable and all pilots and employees enjoyed a secure future but the reality is that it's a dog-eat-dog business and very unstable. It's a tough career to make it to the top and it's tough to maintain that spot for an entire career. There are very few places that someone can probably still put in a 30+ yr flying career. UPS and FedEx are two of those.

The truth is...flying passengers has never been a money making proposition. Pax carriers make most of their profits from the freight carried in the belly. That being the case..imagine the profit margin of a wide body loaded to the gills with freight and next day air envelopes as opposed to $69 fares.

In this day and age, why folks put pax carriers as their number 1 choice for a flying career is beyond me. I realize we all take what we can get but to put a non-profitable pax carrier above a profitable cargo carrier on your dream sheet makes little sense.

Long term...who would you want to work for? You can then probably guess why slots are so competitive at UPS and FedEx.