ASA management endorses GoJet - Page 8

SFCC/UND · January 18th, 2009, 01:37

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Originally Posted by JetsGoWhee

The bill was handed right to Rick "Pillsbury" Leach, the head of both companies, so it hit both of us. But, you're definitely right Seg, a particularly big oversight on the GJ side of the house led to the fine.

Can't blame Gojet for it, this could happen to anyone, I'm sure they will learn from it and it won't happen again.

ATN_Pilot · January 18th, 2009, 01:54

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Originally Posted by SFCC/UND

Can't blame Gojet for it, this could happen to anyone, I'm sure they will learn from it and it won't happen again.

Ahhh, so naive.

Doug Taylor · January 18th, 2009, 01:59

Well, Mesa during the Larry Risely days did eventually learn not to use "Mopar" on the Beech 1900's at the RFD maintenance base so there's hope.

SFCC/UND · January 18th, 2009, 02:02

Atlantic Southeast Airlines
Atlantic Southeast Airlines is a subsidiary of Delta Airlines, an above average safety analysis airlines. Atlantic Southeast Airlines has had engine maintenance problems in the past. Since 1985 Atlantic Southeast Airlines has had 33 fatalities, 58 FAA incidents, 20 NTSB incidents, and 24 FAA violations/fines in 1997-2000.

I'm just saying that every airline has their own problem that is all. Every airline learns from their mistake. I'm not sure why you had to call me out on it.

ATN_Pilot · January 18th, 2009, 02:05

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Originally Posted by SFCC/UND

I'm just saying that every airline has their own problem that is all. Every airline learns from their mistake. I'm not sure why you had to call me out on it.

GoJet is not like every other airline. Hulas, their CEO, is the scum of the Earth. He doesn't "learn" from his mistakes, because he doesn't view them as mistakes. Maintenance "oversights" are merely calculated risks designed to make him more money at the expense of everyone else's safety. ASA makes mistakes. Delta makes mistakes. AirTran makes mistakes. GoJet is negligent. Big difference.

SFCC/UND · January 18th, 2009, 02:18

All you are telling me that Gojet is careless that is all. Unless you can prove that someone got hurt because of these action, then it's not negligent. I will agree with you I don't approve how Gojet was started and I don't approve the ASA endorsement, but I just don't have enough hate to bash on Gojet all day long. I'm sure you do because I've noticed your negativity against Gojet on other forums.

ATN_Pilot · January 18th, 2009, 02:24

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Originally Posted by SFCC/UND

All you are telling me that Gojet is careless that is all.

"That is all?" Are you kidding? We're talking about aviation safety here, my friend. Being careless costs people their lives. You seem to think that it's ok because somebody caught them on this one before someone got hurt, but that doesn't make it ok. Safety should always be the top priority, and it isn't for scum like Hulas.

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I just don't have enough hate to bash on Gojet all day long. I'm sure you do because I've noticed your negativity against Gojet on other forums.

I've also got this fancy sticker on my flight bag:

SFCC/UND · January 18th, 2009, 02:30

I got a I love Horizon sticker on my flight bag. But anyways I've taken some aviation safety classes and I've noticed that a lot of these fines come from inspections or crashes. Which means to me that the airlines somewhere messed up and got caught by the FAA. That is why I brought up the Southwest, they were flying around with cracks in the fuselage. Oh it nice to be able to talk to someone that is passionate about flying.

aloft · January 18th, 2009, 02:31

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Originally Posted by PCL_128

ASA makes mistakes. Delta makes mistakes. AirTran makes mistakes. GoJet is negligent. Big difference.

Ah, but which one of those airlines has made mistakes that killed people, smart guy?

Doug Taylor · January 18th, 2009, 02:33

Oh man, I'm watching a "gnash cluster" forming live.

Doug Taylor · January 18th, 2009, 02:34

And I've got an itchy trigger finger and any complaints about random shots will be heavily ridiculed.

ATN_Pilot · January 18th, 2009, 02:37

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Originally Posted by aloft

Ah, but which one of those airlines has made mistakes that killed people, smart guy?

Give them time. GoJet will plant one. An airline that struggles to find qualified crew members that are willing to work there, even during the biggest economic downturn in 70 years, is an accident waiting to happen.

Doug Taylor · January 18th, 2009, 02:38

Let's hope they don't though, right?

SFCC/UND · January 18th, 2009, 02:41

See that is what I don't get. You can have the best pilots in the world and something will happen. I haven't seen an airplane go down in the US for a long time that was caused by maintenance problems. I think the last was Alaska, but since then it was caused by birds or pilot error. It just seems to me that you want Gojet to go down, so you can prove your point. I'm not trying to bash on you or anything, just trying to get inside your brain.

ATN_Pilot · January 18th, 2009, 02:51

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Originally Posted by SFCC/UND

See that is what I don't get. You can have the best pilots in the world and something will happen.

Agreed, but this is a preventable problem. You can't stop birds from flying into your engines, but you can prevent maintenance problems by being responsible and making safety your top priority. Hulas doesn't do that.

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It just seems to me that you want Gojet to go down, so you can prove your point.

I don't want any airplane to go down. I don't want innocent passengers that got stuck on a pseudo-scab airline by booking through United to suffer for Hulas' greed.

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I'm not trying to bash on you or anything, just trying to get inside your brain.

That's a scary place.

aloft · January 18th, 2009, 02:52

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Originally Posted by TUCKnTRUCK

In general, "knowing all" about an industry you're not a part of yet is a bad thing. I've had a few FO's slip past the hiring boards and come in with similar attitudes. Many left quickly.. and all were hated. I've participated in many interview sessions, and the "I Know Everything... there is nothing you can teach me" attitude gets weeded out fast - some sent home before the interview even started.

If that's the case, maybe it's time I said goodbye to JC. I've been a member on here for over seven years now, and maybe I've learned too much in that time, maybe I do know too much about the 121 world for never having worked a day in it.

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Originally Posted by TUCKnTRUCK

Until you've flown 8 legs a day, in crappy wx, timed out on your last leg.. and had the "business man trying to make a buck" management only pay you for 4 hours cause "that’s the best way to do it" you won't understand. This is also why nobody pays you respect here. You def. come off like a guy who would throw the world under the bus to advance his career. Some are more vocal about it (Pcl) etc but I’m sure many or most feel the same way

Were that the case dude, I'd already be at GoJet, with a large middle finger erected toward the TSA boys and the rest of the industry. Instead, as I've said, I'm living pretty much hand-to-mouth flying traffic watch for minimum wage (flew all of 5.3 hours this week, that'll be a grand paycheck), waiting out the economic storm. So with all due respect, screw you for accusing me of being "that guy". You don't know me, don't presume to know anything about my character.

Cruise and Doug:

Points taken, thanks for being helpful and respectful.

Bottom line, even though my research has convinced me most of you have it wrong regarding GoJet, it's pointless to continue beating that drum, so I'm going to lay it down.

However, PCL_128 is still a hypocrite in my book, regardless of whatever he's done to atone for his sins against the profession. Scabs are never pardoned, why should he? The dude throws stones like he's never sinned in his life, when he should really be enjoying himself a bottomless cup of S.T.F.U.

ATN_Pilot · January 18th, 2009, 02:55

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Originally Posted by aloft

If that's the case, maybe it's time I said goodbye to JC.

Please do.

Doug Taylor · January 18th, 2009, 02:57

Nah, no one needs to quit, but more need to recognize when it's time to agree to disagree and move on to other topics.

SFCC/UND · January 18th, 2009, 02:58

There goes my nice conversation.

Doug Taylor · January 18th, 2009, 03:01

Is it because you're saying it's "peanut butter jelly time" but there's that salmonella scare going on?

SFCC/UND · January 18th, 2009, 03:06

But I can counter that by saying that the FDA say that peanut butter is safe if you buy it in a jar from the supermarket. Unfortunately I had a frozen peanut butter mud pie. I'm too young to die, I haven't even bought my first alcohol beverage yet.

Doug Taylor · January 18th, 2009, 03:08

Ahh, I remember my bulletproof days!

Car full of drunks in college, driving down to Whataburger on Gurley Street... hey, what's the worst that can happen?

SFCC/UND · January 18th, 2009, 03:11

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Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Ahh, I remember my bulletproof days!

Car full of drunks in college, driving down to Whataburger on Gurley Street... hey, what's the worst that can happen?

Telling the FAA you got arrest for DUI.

Doug Taylor · January 18th, 2009, 03:12

Exactly.

ladder360 · January 18th, 2009, 03:17

Mmmm. Whataburger. Always good after a few beers and getting shot down at the bar. The only way to salvage not going home empty handed.

January 18th, 2009, 01:59	#178
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 50,355 Blog Entries: 1	Re: ASA management endorses GoJet Well, Mesa during the Larry Risely days did eventually learn not to use "Mopar" on the Beech 1900's at the RFD maintenance base so there's hope. __________________ Doug Taylor PPL-SEL PA-38 Typed

January 18th, 2009, 02:02	#179
SFCC/UND Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: humuhumunukunukuapuaa Posts: 3,100	Re: ASA management endorses GoJet Atlantic Southeast Airlines Atlantic Southeast Airlines is a subsidiary of Delta Airlines, an above average safety analysis airlines. Atlantic Southeast Airlines has had engine maintenance problems in the past. Since 1985 Atlantic Southeast Airlines has had 33 fatalities, 58 FAA incidents, 20 NTSB incidents, and 24 FAA violations/fines in 1997-2000. I'm just saying that every airline has their own problem that is all. Every airline learns from their mistake. I'm not sure why you had to call me out on it. __________________ Applied PUBNAT8 7/6/2009 AT-SAT Auth 8/13/2009 10/27/2009 AT-SAT in SLC

January 18th, 2009, 02:18	#181
SFCC/UND Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: humuhumunukunukuapuaa Posts: 3,100	Re: ASA management endorses GoJet All you are telling me that Gojet is careless that is all. Unless you can prove that someone got hurt because of these action, then it's not negligent. I will agree with you I don't approve how Gojet was started and I don't approve the ASA endorsement, but I just don't have enough hate to bash on Gojet all day long. I'm sure you do because I've noticed your negativity against Gojet on other forums. __________________ Applied PUBNAT8 7/6/2009 AT-SAT Auth 8/13/2009 10/27/2009 AT-SAT in SLC

January 18th, 2009, 02:30	#183
SFCC/UND Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: humuhumunukunukuapuaa Posts: 3,100	Re: ASA management endorses GoJet I got a I love Horizon sticker on my flight bag. But anyways I've taken some aviation safety classes and I've noticed that a lot of these fines come from inspections or crashes. Which means to me that the airlines somewhere messed up and got caught by the FAA. That is why I brought up the Southwest, they were flying around with cracks in the fuselage. Oh it nice to be able to talk to someone that is passionate about flying. __________________ Applied PUBNAT8 7/6/2009 AT-SAT Auth 8/13/2009 10/27/2009 AT-SAT in SLC

January 18th, 2009, 02:33	#185
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 50,355 Blog Entries: 1	Re: ASA management endorses GoJet Oh man, I'm watching a "gnash cluster" forming live. __________________ Doug Taylor PPL-SEL PA-38 Typed

January 18th, 2009, 02:34	#186
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 50,355 Blog Entries: 1	Re: ASA management endorses GoJet And I've got an itchy trigger finger and any complaints about random shots will be heavily ridiculed. __________________ Doug Taylor PPL-SEL PA-38 Typed

January 18th, 2009, 02:38	#188
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 50,355 Blog Entries: 1	Re: ASA management endorses GoJet Let's hope they don't though, right? __________________ Doug Taylor PPL-SEL PA-38 Typed

January 18th, 2009, 02:41	#189
SFCC/UND Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: humuhumunukunukuapuaa Posts: 3,100	Re: ASA management endorses GoJet See that is what I don't get. You can have the best pilots in the world and something will happen. I haven't seen an airplane go down in the US for a long time that was caused by maintenance problems. I think the last was Alaska, but since then it was caused by birds or pilot error. It just seems to me that you want Gojet to go down, so you can prove your point. I'm not trying to bash on you or anything, just trying to get inside your brain. __________________ Applied PUBNAT8 7/6/2009 AT-SAT Auth 8/13/2009 10/27/2009 AT-SAT in SLC

January 18th, 2009, 02:57	#193
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 50,355 Blog Entries: 1	Re: ASA management endorses GoJet Nah, no one needs to quit, but more need to recognize when it's time to agree to disagree and move on to other topics. __________________ Doug Taylor PPL-SEL PA-38 Typed

January 18th, 2009, 02:58	#194
SFCC/UND Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: humuhumunukunukuapuaa Posts: 3,100	Re: ASA management endorses GoJet There goes my nice conversation. __________________ Applied PUBNAT8 7/6/2009 AT-SAT Auth 8/13/2009 10/27/2009 AT-SAT in SLC

January 18th, 2009, 03:01	#195
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 50,355 Blog Entries: 1	Re: ASA management endorses GoJet Is it because you're saying it's "peanut butter jelly time" but there's that salmonella scare going on? __________________ Doug Taylor PPL-SEL PA-38 Typed

January 18th, 2009, 03:06	#196
SFCC/UND Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: humuhumunukunukuapuaa Posts: 3,100	Re: ASA management endorses GoJet But I can counter that by saying that the FDA say that peanut butter is safe if you buy it in a jar from the supermarket. Unfortunately I had a frozen peanut butter mud pie. I'm too young to die, I haven't even bought my first alcohol beverage yet. __________________ Applied PUBNAT8 7/6/2009 AT-SAT Auth 8/13/2009 10/27/2009 AT-SAT in SLC

January 18th, 2009, 03:08	#197
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 50,355 Blog Entries: 1	Re: ASA management endorses GoJet Ahh, I remember my bulletproof days! Car full of drunks in college, driving down to Whataburger on Gurley Street... hey, what's the worst that can happen? __________________ Doug Taylor PPL-SEL PA-38 Typed

January 18th, 2009, 03:12	#199
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 50,355 Blog Entries: 1	Re: ASA management endorses GoJet Exactly. __________________ Doug Taylor PPL-SEL PA-38 Typed

January 18th, 2009, 03:17	#200
ladder360 Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: San Diego Posts: 1,553	Re: ASA management endorses GoJet Mmmm. Whataburger. Always good after a few beers and getting shot down at the bar. The only way to salvage not going home empty handed. __________________ "There's just a whole lot of arse beatings that need to be handed out and John Wayne's dead." - Murdoughnut

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