ASA management endorses GoJet

[TUCKnTRUCK]

Anybody else getting sick of the way these Go-Jets threads go?

I bet this one turns like this. Later on, Aloft will come back, post some inflammatory verbage pertaining to another member with whom he does not agree... which is about everybody.

Then he will pull up far fetched analogies, and try to compare, Colgan, Mesa, Sky west and TSA?

Others will get pissed off at what seems to be stubborn refusal, inane referrals, and blatant disregard for what people actually associated with the airline pre-go jets. They will then sink to a lower level and reply to Aloft with in kind posts.

After a while, Steve, Doug or another will have enough... make a comment about this not being APC or flight info,

and then lock the thread.

In conclusion, Scott Hall did something, or is doing something that he really isn't required to do. Pilots dislike the way he worked it out.. and the company for which he chose. Simply mentioning the name of the company gets pilots all riled up. Most pilots wouldn't recommend going to this company.. but some people still want to work there, or do work there and feel a need to justify their reason, or case.

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by TUCKnTRUCK

Anybody else getting sick of the way these Go-Jets threads go?

I bet this one turns like this. Later on, Aloft will come back, post some inflammatory verbage pertaining to another member with whom he does not agree... which is about everybody.

Then he will pull up far fetched analogies, and try to compare, Colgan, Mesa, Sky west and TSA?

Others will get pissed off at what seems to be stubborn refusal, inane referrals, and blatant disregard for what people actually associated with the airline pre-go jets. They will then sink to a lower level and reply to Aloft with in kind posts.

After a while, Steve, Doug or another will have enough... make a comment about this not being APC or flight info,

and then lock the thread.

You really don't have to read the thread you know.

You also realize that this one has been moving along pretty smoothly so far, don't you? Please don't throw fuel on smoldering embers. Maybe there can continue to be some realistic conversation about the topic, like your last paragraph, without all the fireworks.

[aevfo]

This is a ridiculous title! In no way did ASA management endorse gojet. Scott is just trying to provide a job lead to the unfortunate 80 that were furloughed. I'm sure Scott feels terrible about furloughing and he is just trying to help (I don't know of anyone else hiring...). Furthermore as others have pointed out, ASA management doesn't give a rat's a.. about what ALPA thinks of other regionals. I have my own personal opinion about gojets and people who work there, but it is not my place to tell others where they can and cannot work. Good luck to the 80, and hopefully we recall very soon!

[little_cricket]

Maybe Scott's friend asked him to help recruit for CrapJet because with the current economy, they still can't fill their classes...

[jhugz]

This thread just makes me . Someone works to help out his employees and pilots throw it back into his face. Makes me sick. If you don't want to go to GoJets due to seniority or base options and you would rather sit out the furlough fine, that is respectable. If you won't take the opportunity and apply due to the fact you are "to good" for GoJets then you deserve to be unemployed.

[ATN_Pilot]

Originally Posted by aloft

Who precisely is "the Company" as defined in the contract? Trans States Airlines, or Trans States Holdings?

If it's defined in the contract as Trans States Airlines, then the contract provisions cited don't really apply as the flying in question wasn't "in and for the scheduled revenue passenger service of the Company", but that of a sister subsidiary (i.e., GoJet).

Splitting hairs, yes, but that's what contracts do.

You're missing this key part of the agreement:

C. Successorship

1. This agreement shall be binding upon any successor or merged company or companies unless and until changed in accordance with the provisions of the Railway Labor Act, as amended.

2. The Company shall not create or acquire an alter ego to avoid the terms and conditions of the Agreement.

Originally Posted by MusketeerMan

Me thinks Surreal won't have his stuff sent in..just a hunch though.

That's because he actually has some integrity.

Originally Posted by BajtheJino

This is ####ing pathetic. And by pathetic I mean you have a PFJ bashing a union airline even though he's not a member of a real union

Not a member of a real union? I'm a member (and a rep) of a union that is certified by the National Mediation Board just like ALPA and IBT.

Originally Posted by Cav

In my experience the CP's aren't exactly the people you should be looking to for union support. Furthermore they aren't even dues paying members so why would they care(at least at my airline)?

That depends on the carrier. At some carriers, the CPs are dues-paying union members that are strong ALPA supporters. UAL is a perfect example of this.

Originally Posted by SteveC

Creates an interesting dichotomy, doesn't it?

It's difficult to:
1. Give kudos to the CP for trying to help his pilots while at the same time,
2. Discourage pilots from accepting the help because of larger industry issues.


Difficult does not imply impossible though, does it?

You assume that the CP is trying to help his pilots. I don't think that's a safe assumption at all. I think he looks for every opportunity to undermine the union and help out his fellow anti-union buddy in GoJet management that still has trouble filling his classes.

Originally Posted by little_cricket

Maybe Scott's friend asked him to help recruit for CrapJet because with the current economy, they still can't fill their classes...

[P&H]

Originally Posted by aevfo

This is a ridiculous title! In no way did ASA management endorse gojet. Scott is just trying to provide a job lead to the unfortunate 80 that were furloughed. I'm sure Scott feels terrible about furloughing and he is just trying to help (I don't know of anyone else hiring...). Furthermore as others have pointed out, ASA management doesn't give a rat's a.. about what ALPA thinks of other regionals. I have my own personal opinion about gojets and people who work there, but it is not my place to tell others where they can and cannot work. Good luck to the 80, and hopefully we recall very soon!

aevfo is right. The only people who care about internal regional airline politics are regional airline pilots. If it's true that SH is actually talking with gojet recruiters about the possibility of ASA pilots NOT having to resign their seniority, that is certainly something he didn't have to do. And, for what its worth, makes it a viable option for some of the furloughed guys who would plan on returning as soon as ASA calls them back.

Bash gojet all you want. But I wouldn't bash SH for this.

[ladder360]

Happy 5000 PCL!

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

You assume that the CP is trying to help his pilots. I don't think that's a safe assumption at all. I think he looks for every opportunity to undermine the union and help out his fellow anti-union buddy in GoJet management that still has trouble filling his classes.

You could very well be right. I don't know the players in this game.

[KLB]

Originally Posted by little_cricket

Maybe Scott's friend asked him to help recruit for CrapJet because with the current economy, they still can't fill their classes...

You know that something's wrong with GoJet if they are having problems filling classes with it being so difficult to find gigs these days.

[JumpWake]

Originally Posted by KLB

You know that something's wrong with GoJet if they are having problems filling classes with it being so difficult to find gigs these days.

I'll find out how big their classes actually are next week. I've got recurrent groundschool right down the hall at "another" airline.

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by KLB

You know that something's wrong with GoJet if they are having problems filling classes with it being so difficult to find gigs these days.

You know, I hadn't even thought about it from that angle. But I think cricket is onto something.

It's a sign of the level of communications occurring within professional circles if GoJets is having difficulty hiring people in these extremely difficult times. Very interesting and at the same time should be a sign of how effective the message can be, so long as the message is put out into the public realm.

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by TUCKnTRUCK

?
Grow up, stop being so juvenile. I get it, your pissed at the world, and furloughed

Simply saying don't jump all over ASA for finding some sort of out for their pilots, because I doubt they had any foul intentions.

What does Pinnacle or Colgan have to do with this? If Pinnacle was hiring, and we were furloughing, I would not have ANY issues whatsoever. We are different carriers, and I have no claim to their jobs, nor would i want it. I've tried to bid out of the Q, FWIW

Do you understand the history about GoJets at all, or are you just spouting off? I could have well pursued another airline job, but I've decided not to. It was MY choice, and I'm not pissed at much these days. You, on the other hand, must be angry that you don't really understand the discussion that's going on here and instead of educating yourself you're flying off the handle.

[SteveC]

Originally Posted by jtrain609

...and I'm not pissed at much these days...

...are you just spouting off?...You..must be angry...you're flying off the handle.

If you guys would stick to the topic instead of emotionalizing the other persons' post things might go a little smoother.

[ /random observation ]

[Socal321]

I bet just about everyone one who can will take advantage of the deal, especially since it's the same equipment they're already flying. The CPs intentions is suspect though, I find it very hard to believe that a major regional CP doesn't know much about the history of Gojet.

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by Socal321

I bet just about everyone one who can will take advantage of the deal, especially since it's the same equipment they're already flying. The CPs intentions is suspect though, I find it very hard to believe that a major regional CP doesn't know much about the history of Gojet.

Hey I've flown that plane in your avatar!

[ATN_Pilot]

Originally Posted by ladder360

Happy 5000 PCL!

[Velocipede]

I love you, PCL. Someone told me they think you're my long lost son. I'm beginning to think they're right.

[SteveC]

Pseudo-velo?

[flyingmaniac]

Originally Posted by aevfo

This is a ridiculous title! In no way did ASA management endorse gojet. Scott is just trying to provide a job lead to the unfortunate 80 that were furloughed. I'm sure Scott feels terrible about furloughing and he is just trying to help (I don't know of anyone else hiring...). Furthermore as others have pointed out, ASA management doesn't give a rat's a.. about what ALPA thinks of other regionals. I have my own personal opinion about gojets and people who work there, but it is not my place to tell others where they can and cannot work. Good luck to the 80, and hopefully we recall very soon!

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

I love you, PCL. Someone told me they think you're my long lost son. I'm beginning to think they're right.

Well, some here certainly think the Velo-PCL lineage continues deeper. . .

[Velocipede]

Leave my boy ALONE!

[surreal1221]

Right over your head. . .WHOOOOOOSH!

[ATN_Pilot]

Originally Posted by Velocipede

I love you, PCL. Someone told me they think you're my long lost son. I'm beginning to think they're right.

I believe that was the theory of everyone's favorite flight attendant, Qgar. I think she may be on to something.

[ChrisH]

You know, I'm not an airline pilot, but I'll comment anyway, because I think this situation can apply to any business/ industry.

If, within the industry I work in, I know that there is a particular company that is despised by many others, as being a company you shouldn't work for, I wouldn't go to work for them. It doesn't matter to me, whether or not I agree with those people's judgements about the company, or not, because in the end, I don't want to face a hiring board, for a future job, where I come face to face with someone who despised that company. It is a good way to get a, "thanks, but no thanks".

Whether you agree with the whole GoJets thing, or not, it would probably be better served not to go work for that company, because one day, PCL, Velo, and many other pilots, who despise GoJets, may be on the hiring board at your dream company, where they will quickly toss your resume out the door, along with you, if they see the name GoJets on it. Better to be safe, than sorry.

I guess I would just have to wonder if it would be worth it to go through training again, to make first year FO pay, to go fly for another airline, for what could be a year, maybe even a few months, only to have that come back and bite me later in my career. Nobody knows how long the ASA furloughs will last, but I just don't think it would be worth it.