Guys please be honest: To Go or not to GOJET?

[aloft]

Originally Posted by WhamBamThankYouMaam!

It's not even close to a picket line and all that does is further confuse those who are unfamiliar with the G7 issue.

It was a metaphor, bro.

[Gonzo]

Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

After this merger I'm hearing we may have to copy our approved jumpseater list to Delta's. Personally I like the current agreement where I get to jump on gojets and they can't on ours. *shrug*.

Delta has the same thing. The guys in my crashpad told me they can't ride Delta.

[WalterSobchak]

Many other jobs out there that are better. Go fly cargo. Make better money now and keep your # where you are at. In the mean time if a place you would like to work at other than in desperation shows up you can apply.

GoJet.......Why?

[flx820]

Originally Posted by WalterSobchak

Many other jobs out there that are better. Go fly cargo. Make better money now and keep your # where you are at. In the mean time if a place you would like to work at other than in desperation shows up you can apply.

GoJet.......Why?

Easy to say fly cargo Many 135 outfits are full up with people trying to get in. bases are limited and flying is scarce. Get anything you can if you are willing to fly. Its hard for people that have done this their whole life. not easy to change jobs after flying for 15 years or whatever.

[WhamBamThankYouMaam!]

Originally Posted by aloft

It was a metaphor, bro.

No "pal" it was not a metaphor because metaphors indicate similarity, and there is NO similarity between a picket line and the opinions of GoJet. Your naiveté is showing, "buddy".

Please refrain from spewing further ignorance, okay "sport" ?

[aloft]

With a whopping 25 posts under your belt, how 'bout you work on contributing something positive to this site before getting all rude and lippy, dude. You haven't earned the credibility to be insulting with me or anyone else in the JC community yet.

I'm sorry that you cannot see the phrase "picket line in the sand" as anything but a metaphor, but I think it's quite on the mark: GoJet pilots have not crossed any picket line or flown struck work, yet they're erroneously called "scabs" and treated as if they were.

[adreamer]

GoJet pilots have not crossed any picket line or flown struck work, yet they're erroneously called "scabs" and treated as if they were.

Aloft, you were right about this. They are treated like they cross picketline.

Pilots are our own worst enemy.

[Bigey]

Originally Posted by flx820

i do not work for GJ but have many friends that do. They are there bc they were let go from ATA and such. Yes we can not let them J/S but that does not mean we have to treat them like poop. Thay are trying to support their family. is it really their fault??? I think not

With your attitude of "get mine first" dont expect a pilot group that's UNIFIED to let that "get mine first" guy win or receive anything.

With your rationale, scabs are trying to support their family too!

If you're going to EFF with someone and their job, dont be giving them garbage when they EFF with you back...

[kellwolf]

Originally Posted by flx820

Thay are trying to support their family. is it really their fault??? I think not

I say it is. If you were already in the industry and went to Go Jets, you've really got no excuse for not doing research. I'd be more forgiving of someone straight outta Jet U that hopped on the first regional that called in the excitement. But the reasoning you use above is the same reasoning CAL's scabs used for crossing picket lines in the 80s. Actually, ALL scabs generally use that line. There are plenty of ways to put food on the table without lowering yourself or shooting your fellow pilots in the foot. Hell, 135 freight probably pays better than GoJets FOs anyway, so the "put food on the table" argument there doesn't hold much water in my book.

That being said, I do have to say that Go Jets guys don't fit the "scab" title in the traditional sense. Lower the bar for the industry, yeah. Scab, not by definition. Maybe the Velo-ish title of "pseudo-scab" would work better.

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by WhamBamThankYouMaam!

No "pal" it was not a metaphor because metaphors indicate similarity, and there is NO similarity between a picket line and the opinions of GoJet. Your naiveté is showing, "buddy".

Please refrain from spewing further ignorance, okay "sport" ?

http://ohsnaphouse.ytmnd.com/

[jynxyjoe]

Originally Posted by kellwolf

I say it is. If you were already in the industry and went to Go Jets, you've really got no excuse for not doing research. I'd be more forgiving of someone straight outta Jet U that hopped on the first regional that called in the excitement. But the reasoning you use above is the same reasoning CAL's scabs used for crossing picket lines in the 80s. Actually, ALL scabs generally use that line. There are plenty of ways to put food on the table without lowering yourself or shooting your fellow pilots in the foot. Hell, 135 freight probably pays better than GoJets FOs anyway, so the "put food on the table" argument there doesn't hold much water in my book.

That being said, I do have to say that Go Jets guys don't fit the "scab" title in the traditional sense. Lower the bar for the industry, yeah. Scab, not by definition. Maybe the Velo-ish title of "pseudo-scab" would work better.

I'll put in a vote for Proto-scab

[WacoFan]

I think today, the main reason not to go to GoJet is the that it could look bad for you down the road with hiring boards made up of current JC readers who are now with regionals. Forget any righteous indignation about Hula's and the TSA/GoJet whipsaw, self preservation would tell you that unless you could absolutely make your career as a GoJet captain, then it may not be worth the chance. It is a self-preservation thing.

That said, at what point does GoJet become acceptable...or at least accepted? Merging of the seniority lists? Is that the only thing that can make them ok?

[Kristie]

Originally Posted by WhamBamThankYouMaam!

No "pal" it was not a metaphor because metaphors indicate similarity, and there is NO similarity between a picket line and the opinions of GoJet. Your naiveté is showing, "buddy".

Please refrain from spewing further ignorance, okay "sport" ?

Hey, you're new here... have you read our forum rules yet?

you might want to ASAP

[WacoFan]

Originally Posted by aloft

With a whopping 25 posts under your belt, how 'bout you work on contributing something positive to this site before getting all rude and lippy, dude. You haven't earned the credibility to be insulting with me or anyone else in the JC community yet.

TO ALL MODS:

Question - how many posts does one have to have before credibility is established and I can get rude and lippy? I need to know the minute I pass this threshold. Will it take longer because we started the mini-conservative movement, or will it be the same amount as everyone else. Either way, please tell me - I have some payback to enact - PCL and I have a standing disagreement and I am certain that Jtrain has called me ignorant, or at least silly. Want to lash out when I reach this threshold.

Thank you.

[Avalon781ML]

Originally Posted by Kristie

Hey, you're new here... have you read our forum rules yet?

you might want to ASAP

The same rules should apply to all.... and IMO so should any corrective actions.

[ATN_Pilot]

Originally Posted by WacoFan

That said, at what point does GoJet become acceptable...or at least accepted? Merging of the seniority lists? Is that the only thing that can make them ok?

In my opinion, yes, that would be the only acceptable end to this situation. However, I still have the original list of TSA pilots that jumped the fence to GoJet, and it will remain in the back of my copy of "The List" for all eternity, no matter what happens with the seniority list within TSA Holdings.

[Screaming_Emu]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

In my opinion, yes, that would be the only acceptable end to this situation. However, I still have the original list of TSA pilots that jumped the fence to GoJet, and it will remain in the back of my copy of "The List" for all eternity, no matter what happens with the seniority list within TSA Holdings.

If I'm ever captain and my f/o goes to check 'the list" before I (capital I) accept a jumpseater, I will laugh at them for the rest of the trip...

Not that I don't agree with you on principle....but one should know his place.

[ATN_Pilot]

Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

If I'm ever captain and my f/o goes to check 'the list" before I (capital I) accept a jumpseater, I will laugh at them for the rest of the trip...

Not that I don't agree with you on principle....but one should know his place.

Where did I state that I check the list as a copilot? Seems as though you're reading things that aren't there. At some point before the end of my career, I'll be back in that left seat again, and I'll check the list again just as I did when I last occupied that left seat.

However, I think your attitude about FOs is horrible and produces a bad CRM environment. As a Captain, if I had ever had an FO that told me he was uncomfortable with having a certain jumpseater on the flight, then I would have taken it very seriously. Both members of the flight crew need to be comfortable.

[JA Yawd Bwoy]

Originally Posted by WacoFan

TO ALL MODS:

Question - how many posts does one have to have before credibility is established and I can get rude and lippy? I need to know the minute I pass this threshold. Will it take longer because we started the mini-conservative movement, or will it be the same amount as everyone else. Either way, please tell me - I have some payback to enact - PCL and I have a standing disagreement and I am certain that Jtrain has called me ignorant, or at least silly. Want to lash out when I reach this threshold.

Thank you.

Not a Mod, but I think you need to be a upper senior member ei.1000 post, or at least have the elite status on JC aka "Old Skool" . Note that I think and this does not mean that one can use explicit language

[Avalon781ML]

Originally Posted by JA Yawd Bwoy

Not a Mod, but I think you need to be a upper senior member ei.1000 post, or at least have the elite status on JC aka "Old Skool" . Note that I think and this does not mean that one can use explicit language

Shouldn't it be the reverse? Shouldn't those on here with more posts/experience/credibility be held to the same if not a higher standard than those with fewer posts? Those of us that have been here longer than 25 posts should already have a grasp of this respect issue.

Call me crazy..... because I am... but the golden rule should apply to all and those with more posts should know better than to engage in name calling.... unless it is in jest. Likewise we should all be held to a uniform standard..... just because I have been here longer than someone else should not preclude me from being corrected when I cross that line.

Have a great day y'all!

[Screaming_Emu]

Originally Posted by PCL_128

Both members of the flight crew need to be comfortable.

Does that mean I can tell the FAA "nah, no line check today...I don't feel comfortable with you guys riding up here."

Prolly not eh?

[Avalon781ML]

Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

Does that mean I can tell the FAA "nah, no line check today...I don't feel comfortable with you guys riding up here."

Prolly not eh?

It would be hilarious though..... "uh you make me feel uncomfortable... and me being uncomfortable is a safety issue.... therefore you can't ride."

[ATN_Pilot]

Originally Posted by Screaming_Emu

Does that mean I can tell the FAA "nah, no line check today...I don't feel comfortable with you guys riding up here."

Prolly not eh?

Periodic line checks from checkairmen and route checks from the FAA are required by law. If you aren't comfortable with them, then you obviously aren't comfortable with your job. Jumpseaters from pseudo-scab airlines are not required by law, so I see no reason that anyone should have to feel comfortable with them.

[MQAAord]

Alrighty, we've resorted to name-calling, threatening to insult other members, and various other assorted cranky-ness.

Time to put this one to bed.