Info on JetUniversity

[GlenWimpy]

I have already done a search on this board , most of the info is a year old .........any advice on this school?

Thanks

[Stone Cold]

Yeah, don't do it. Period. You're career will thank us later.

[Doug Taylor]

I'd heavily suggest against the program. JetU is parallel to Gulfstream.

[DE727UPS]

"any advice on this school?"

PM Cherokee Cruiser. He knows all about it.

[Murdoughnut]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

I'd heavily suggest against the program. JetU is parallel to Gulfstream.

Is it really the same? I mean, at GIA you're legitimately paying for your time as an FO, thus taking a job away from a pilot who could be earning a living (though not much of one) in that spot.

Jet U just seems like a training program that gives you preferential hiring. You're still paid just the same as any other Pinnacle FO.

It's probably a waste of money given the current market, and I'm sure there are a ton of other grievances that could be brought up, but I'm not sure comparing it to GIA is apples to apples, is it?

[JEP]

Originally Posted by Murdoughnut

Is it really the same? I mean, at GIA you're legitimately paying for your time as an FO, thus taking a job away from a pilot who could be earning a living (though not much of one) in that spot.

Jet U just seems like a training program that gives you preferential hiring. You're still paid just the same as any other Pinnacle FO.

It's probably a waste of money given the current market, and I'm sure there are a ton of other grievances that could be brought up, but I'm not sure comparing it to GIA is apples to apples, is it?

How about Red Delicious Apples to Granny Smith Apples.....

same but different....

[Murdoughnut]

Originally Posted by JEP

How about Red Delicious Apples to Granny Smith Apples.....

same but different....

I guess I'm just not all that sure how the program differs from, say, ATP's regional jet program. They're both training programs that lead to a guaranteed job (according to the ATP site, you have to have a "letter of something or another from an airline saying they'll hire you upon completion now). Sure, JU probably pisses people off with their whole marketing message of "screw being a CFI", but in the end, it's still training that leads to a job, not PFJ.

[shinysideup]

Originally Posted by Murdoughnut

I guess I'm just not all that sure how the program differs from, say, ATP's regional jet program. They're both training programs that lead to a guaranteed job (according to the ATP site, you have to have a "letter of something or another from an airline saying they'll hire you upon completion now). Sure, JU probably pisses people off with their whole marketing message of "screw being a CFI", but in the end, it's still training that leads to a job, not PFJ.

Very well said.

[BugSmasher]

"Become an Airline Pilot Right Away!"

Hmmm. Caveat emptor. Having graduated from one of those "non-jet" universities, its amusing that they use the term "university" to describe a school that (i) portends to prepare their students for only one career field, (ii) cant grant credit, and (iii) aims to prepare those too impatient to go to real college for a job that doesnt require a Degree. Gotta love the irony.

I wonder how those poor guys feel about thier "fast track" when their Part 135 buddies in the CRJ upgrade before they do b/c they the have the minimum insurance times, or when they apply to a major only to find that their "Jet University" education credentials dont quite rise to the level of the military officers against whom they're competing.

Ive heard from a few friends in Europe that this type of aviation education is the only option for civilans over there - and is generally post graduate. But for their 100K, it includes the equivalent of two years college if not postgrad-level ground school and a type rating. Not to metion, the light at the end of their tunnel is a 60-80K/year job where CRJs can pay as much as A320s - and rightly so. If user fees take effect in the U.S., Jet University could be the future whether we like it or not. Sorry for ranting.

[Captain_Bob]

Originally Posted by Murdoughnut

I guess I'm just not all that sure how the program differs from, say, ATP's regional jet program. They're both training programs that lead to a guaranteed job (according to the ATP site, you have to have a "letter of something or another from an airline saying they'll hire you upon completion now). Sure, JU probably pisses people off with their whole marketing message of "screw being a CFI", but in the end, it's still training that leads to a job, not PFJ.

Just to be clear... it's not the same as ATP. At ATP they don't "guarantee a job"... they simply have Letters of Agreement with several airlines that say they (the airlines) will "interview" candidates who successfully complete the course.

Also, JetU has only one pipeline to Pinnacle... ATP offers the possibility of interviewing at up to 6+ airlines.

Those are some key differences that I can see...

Bob

[Pilot877]

Gulfstream Training Academy gets you a job at Gulfstream Airlines.

Paying for training at JetUniversity buys you a 727 job at CAT.

Same thing.

[Doug Taylor]

If I told you how many people email me in a week that went to JetU or Gulfstream and are looking for jobs, it might surprise you.

[Pilot877]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

If I told you how many people email me in a week that went to JetU or Gulfstream and are looking for jobs, it might surprise you.

I think they are the ones who are surprised that nobody wants to hire them with 250 hours of PFT time.

[ASpilot2be]

Originally Posted by Pilot877

Gulfstream Training Academy gets you a job at Gulfstream Airlines.

Paying for training at JetUniversity buys you a 727 job at CAT.

Same thing.

I dont think Jet University grads go to CAT anymore. I believe its Pinnacle now.

[GlenWimpy]

This is the year 2007 , its not the 80's anymore. I see no problem with paying for training. As far as skipping the CFI route , I have more time in the right seat teaching then I do in the left seat. As far as an interview , I can get an interview with Pinacle in two weeks , I dont need Jetu or Atp. to get an interview. The interview is the easy part , its the ground school and sim , 50 % washout , and there are plenty of people waiting to take your place , the airlines figure this into the process. I just want some advance study and some CRJ sim time. Not everyone is an A+ student and a whiz at math , some of us just want some traning without so much pressure from the firehose method and a guy standing there with a hand full of pink slips and a pocket full of pens! Flight school and training has alot to do with what you personally make of it , even when your doing your private. I'm just looking for some advance training and some sim time before i go to the company flight school.

I understand both sides and both points of view , but some of you airline guys need to take a nap or go play some golf , go to the beach , try to get some time off , to many Jet A fumes will make you crazy !!!!!!!!!

[JEP]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

This is the year 2007 , its not the 80's anymore. I see no problem with paying for training. As far as skipping the CFI route , I have more time in the right seat teaching then I do in the left seat. As far as an interview , I can get an interview with Pinacle in two weeks , I dont need Jetu or Atp. to get an interview. The interview is the easy part , its the ground school and sim , 50 % washout , and there are plenty of people waiting to take your place , the airlines figure this into the process. I just want some advance study and some CRJ sim time. Not everyone is an A+ student and a whiz at math , some of us just want some traning without so much pressure from the firehose method and a guy standing there with a hand full of pink slips and a pocket full of pens! Flight school and training has alot to do with what you personally make of it , even when your doing your private. I'm just looking for some advance training and some sim time before i go to the company flight school.

I understand both sides and both points of view , but some of you airline guys need to take a nap or go play some golf , go to the beach , try to get some time off , to many Jet A fumes will make you crazy !!!!!!!!!

You ask for some input on this school and when you get the info you turn around and knock the people giving you the info. That's makes sense. If you had your mind made up then why ask the questions.

As for:

"I can get an interview with Pinacle in two weeks ....." that's 2 'n's

[Captain_Bob]

Pinnacolgan...

[JEP]

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

Pinnacolgan...

Bob are you hanging out in the crew room again at SAT?

[Captain_Bob]

Originally Posted by JEP

Bob are you hanging out in the crew room again at SAT?

I was earlier this morning...

Right now I'm at AA Gate 37 in SAT... trying to get on the FLT 1072 home to DFW... 30 standby's and 2 AA pilots/jumpseaters in the wings... not looking good since the MD80 only has 1 JS.

Well... there's always the 7:10am, 8:00am, 9:10am, 10:00am, etc...

Scheduling called me last night while in Tuscon... made me a deal I couldn't refuse. Fly the SMF flight back to SAT (They were missing an FO) last night and get the add-pay for the flight in addition to the rest of my 4-day dropped and pay protected...

2 extra days off... Not a bad gig...

Bob

[GlenWimpy]

You got me on the spelling , I can't get the spell check to work on this site. It says I need to D load something new , and my PC want let me ......

I welcome all advice pro and con.

I worked at Fedex 10 years ago , in the hub loading planes. Trying to get on in there flight dept. They had 5 unions , and the pilots were split between the 5 , which meant those five did not talk .They would have problems with pilots keying cars and cutting tires , so most pilots had to drive junkers to the employee parking lot ! Five groups of guys making 100k to 250k a year that did not talk . And , during the winter when we were very busy , Fedex had to hire other DC 10 freight companies to fly some freight , Fedex pilots put signs on there crew bus saying ; FEDEX PILOTS ONLY" they didnt even want those guys to use there louge or bathrooms. I read some where earlier that some Capts wouldn't let a JetU graduate jumpseat or that they would give them a hard time in the cockpit.

But you have to look at both sides of things.

"Its an awful thin pancake that only has one side!" Adrian Rogers

Lighten up a little , don't take things so personal , this is a great site and I've learned alot here , the key word learn , just because you have 500 hours burning Jet A doesnt mean you can't be open and learn a few things also.

[JEP]

Originally Posted by Captain_Bob

I was earlier this morning...

Right now I'm at AA Gate 37 in SAT... trying to get on the FLT 1072 home to DFW... 30 standby's and 2 AA pilots/jumpseaters in the wings... not looking good since the MD80 only has 1 JS.

Well... there's always the 7:10am, 8:00am, 9:10am, 10:00am, etc...

Scheduling called me last night while in Tuscon... made me a deal I couldn't refuse. Fly the SMF flight back to SAT (They were missing an FO) last night and get the add-pay for the flight in addition to the rest of my 4-day dropped and pay protected...

2 extra days off... Not a bad gig...

Bob

so when you get dropped and pay-protected, do they pay 'normal' block hours whatever that may be?

[Cruise]

Originally Posted by GlenWimpy

You got me on the spelling , I can't get the spell check to work on this site. It says I need to D load something new , and my PC want let me ......

I welcome all advice pro and con.

I worked at Fedex 10 years ago , in the hub loading planes. Trying to get on in there flight dept. They had 5 unions , and the pilots were split between the 5 , which meant those five did not talk .They would have problems with pilots keying cars and cutting tires , so most pilots had to drive junkers to the employee parking lot ! Five groups of guys making 100k to 250k a year that did not talk . And , during the winter when we were very busy , Fedex had to hire other DC 10 freight companies to fly some freight , Fedex pilots put signs on there crew bus saying ; FEDEX PILOTS ONLY" they didnt even want those guys to use there louge or bathrooms. I read some where earlier that some Capts wouldn't let a JetU graduate jumpseat or that they would give them a hard time in the cockpit.

But you have to look at both sides of things.

"Its an awful thin pancake that only has one side!" Adrian Rogers

Lighten up a little , don't take things so personal , this is a great site and I've learned alot here , the key word learn , just because you have 500 hours burning Jet A doesnt mean you can't be open and learn a few things also.

I really doubt you'll get much 'pro' advice regarding this slimy operation. Also, I'm not sure anyone is wound too tight as to need to lighten up here. Furthermore, why shouldn't we take things personally when PFJ programs still exist. I think most people around here agree that PFJ is a very BAD thing. After all, why should they hire the hard-working CFI when they can get someone who wants to give them money for the job!?! PFJ is a BAD thing.....you wanted advice and people have given it to you. Now if you don't want to hear it.......well, that's you're prerogative; but don't shoot the messenger.

[Tuckster]

Jet U doesn't look like PFT to me ...at least not like GA. It looks like you're paying for the schooling and sim time. You can't get real CRJ time so it will have to be sim training ?????

[BobDDuck]

I guess my question (and I've posed this before) is WHY do you feel you need the extra training. You seem to have this idea that ground school is just a guy standing in front of the room looking for somebody to wash out and a line of alternates standing at the door waiting to take their place. It ain't like that. Yes, it is a lot of information at once. The drinking from the fire hose is an apt description. However, if you don't feel like you can make it (with out JetU/ATP/RAA/CAE prep) then you may want to consider a different career. What are you going to do when it comes time to upgrade? JetU doesn't offer a captain's class. What are you going to do when you switch equipment types? The nature of this job is that you need to be able to assimilate information very quickly. There seems to be a lot of people who want to "lighten their work load" during initial so a) they don't wash out and b) it's not so hard. Paying 6K just to make life easier in initial isn't going to help down the road when you have to do the same thing over again. Either you can do it or you can't. I would hazard a guess that you (and most other people) can, but the places that had the same slick advertising talking about how seniority is everything are now using that advertising to terrify newbies into thinking that ground school is a scary thing and if you don't get the extra prep you will fail and never work for an airline again. That my friend is a bunch of BS.

[MQAAord]

There's two things that bug me about JetU.

1: They call themselves Jet University, but they are not a degree issuing institution. Nit-picky, sure, but I think it says a lot about their marketing and Used-Car-Salesman mentality.

2: They offer a flight attendant training course, targeted towards people who want to be airline flight attendants. This is nothing but a scam, as airlines hire flight attendants for their customer service background, attitude and personality. Airlines have comprehensive training programs for new hire flight attendants that are designed to train someone who has zero industry experienece, and teach them everything they need to know. There is NO need for someone to drop thousands of dollars to be an airline flight attendant, training is free and provided by the airlines. Corporate outfits require training by a reputable provider, namely FACTS, FlightSafety, or Alteon. Not some "Jet University". Information about being an airline flight attendant is readily available in a multitude of places online, if someone wants to research the job/lifestyle. Even city codes and other such 'preparation' material can be researched for free. Save your money, you're gonna need it once you're on the line as a new-hire making less than $18k a year

So these two things tell me that JetU is far more interesting in marketing gimmicks, gloss and sheen than actually providing a valuable training service. I say valuable, because I just don't see the value in their products.