What's ASA's upgrade time

KLB · August 16th, 2005, 14:22

It's probably been asked before, but inquiring minds want to know.

Baronman · August 16th, 2005, 15:56

You're getting a yellow-card for a poor question!!

Not trying to bust-balls but it's one of those things that nobody can answer, and if they give you a straight answer it's pure speculation. Why? Cause there are waaay to many variables in this industry to predict what will be going on years down the road. And in this case since ASA just got bought and nobody is clear yet on what this means......who knows?!

jtrain609 · August 16th, 2005, 17:12

Chill dude, I think Kelvin's well aware that no one can tell what tomorrow will bring, but I think what Kelvin is more interested is what HAS BEEN happening as far as upgrades.

cime_sp · August 16th, 2005, 17:47

Recently people have been upgrading in about 3-5 years.

KLB · August 16th, 2005, 18:20

[ QUOTE ]
You're getting a yellow-card for a poor question!!

Not trying to bust-balls but it's one of those things that nobody can answer, and if they give you a straight answer it's pure speculation. Why? Cause there are waaay to many variables in this industry to predict what will be going on years down the road. And in this case since ASA just got bought and nobody is clear yet on what this means......who knows?!

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Actually it's not for me, it's for a buddy of mine who meets the mins right now. He's trying to decide should he move on to the next level or continue flight instructing to get more experience and meet the minimums for other companies. Of course I understand all of the "variables" you're talking about. He knows that also. I'm just trying to help him look at all of his options.

He really didn't know that ASA was hiring with 600/100. And when I told him, he asked what was the upgrade times. Since I didn't know I figure I would ask some of the "friendliest" aviation people in the world (you guys).
Anyways thanks for all of the responses.....the lecture and the other ones.

EagleATR · August 16th, 2005, 19:15

The potential sale of ASA may have an impact on both the hiring and the upgrade time. Things may change depending on who the new owner turns out to be.

pa31350pilot · August 16th, 2005, 19:33

Upgrade time is fluid thing in the airlines, so what it is today, may not be tomorrow. Anyhow, the requirements to upgrade at ASA as of now are 3000 tt, 2000 multi, and 500 with the company. So if he is just at the mins, he will need about 3 years just to meet the mins for upgrade. By the time he gets the time up in the right seat, he will have enough seniority to bid for an upgrade. Good Luck

EDUC8-or · August 16th, 2005, 19:34

Although the minimums are 600/100 I believe most people are getting interviews around 850+/200+. If things don't change I think the upgrades might go down to about 3 years.

It's hard to tell with the sale to SkyWest. I believe ASA will be able to fly for other carriers outside of Delta in the future which could mean growth. Growth means faster upgrades. It would be better for ASA to branch out as Delta is in big trouble right now.

KLB · August 16th, 2005, 21:32

Right now he is at about 750/200, so he is in good shape. He will have 1000/200 easy in about 2.5 months.

Thanks again for all of you guys responses!

BobDDuck · August 16th, 2005, 23:28

Hmmm... So with ASA being sold and OO with no union, I hate to use the staple word, but it is a possibility. With that said... upgrade at Eagle might start to look attractive to some Chandler guys.

kellwolf · August 16th, 2005, 23:33

Staple, as in stapling the seniority list? Nah, they're keeping them as separate companies right now.

NJA_Capt · August 17th, 2005, 01:16

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Right now he is at about 750/200

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The LAST thing someone with 750tt should be concerned with is when they will upgrade!!!!

That has always been one of my hot buttons. Asking that in an interview = out the door.

viper548 · August 17th, 2005, 01:18

At 750TT, It's gonna take at least 2 years to get enough time to upgrade into a crj anyways because of insurance req's. Chances are, he doesn't meet the ATP requirements anyways (read beyond the 1500tt)

KLB · August 17th, 2005, 12:45

Again, he knows all of this you guys are telling me..... i.e. uncertainty of the future and he did not even know that ASA minumums were so low. When I told him about what some people were getting hired with , he inquired because he figures that upgrade times would be longer because of the lower mininums. Since I didn't know the upgrade times I figured I'd ask. Get a grip guys.

I know that there is no guarantee. Nothing in life is ever guaranteed, except that you will meet your maker one day.

And thanks again for all of the input. I figured that no question would be a dumb question on here. (Unless it's about the benifits of PFT or PFJ)

Doug Taylor · August 17th, 2005, 17:18

Let's put it this way. The gentleman right in front of me at Skyway enjoyed a 13 month upgrade. It took me about 18 months.

Upgrade times are about like going to Disneyworld. Today, at 1616 EDT, you can probably experience a five minute wait for "Space Mountain". By the time you leave Apopka, hit I-4 and then SR-428, that five minute wait may be forty minutes.

United was running three-year upgrades when they were last hiring. If you got hired today, it's going to be a lot longer than three years.

Kingairer · August 17th, 2005, 18:07

Id really be looking into some facts on the new buyout before I would accept a position at ASA.

Baronman · August 17th, 2005, 18:54

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Id really be looking into some facts on the new buyout before I would accept a position at ASA.

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Definetly. However this is difficult to convey to many w/ 6-700hrs and looking at their first airline job.

Kingairer · August 17th, 2005, 18:57

Well to those folks, However difficult it is to believe, you could find your self in a worse postion by making a hasty decision, you could be unemployed. Im not saying dont go there, i dont even know the specifics. but be responsible about it and find out that info, before you quit your current job. You dont want to be in class and furloughed before you even touch a cardboad cut out of a CRJ.

Doug Taylor · August 17th, 2005, 19:13

But then, if you're looking for safety, stability and always having the abilitiy to say "I've made the right career choice!" walk, nay, RUN from any job involving a yoke.

Except if it's connected to a team of oxen.

kellwolf · August 17th, 2005, 21:08

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By the time you leave Apopka, hit I-4 and then SR-428, that five minute wait may be forty minutes.

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Shoulda just taken I-4 to World Drive and skipped the toll road.

Doug Taylor · August 17th, 2005, 21:10

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Shoulda just taken I-4 to World Drive and skipped the toll road.

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Yeah, but I was living in Altamonte! We only had a short snippet of I-4 and the rest were packed!

August 16th, 2005, 14:22	#1
KLB Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: DFW Posts: 4,725	What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time It's probably been asked before, but inquiring minds want to know.

August 16th, 2005, 15:56	#2
Baronman Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NEWARK Posts: 1,690	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time You're getting a yellow-card for a poor question!! Not trying to bust-balls but it's one of those things that nobody can answer, and if they give you a straight answer it's pure speculation. Why? Cause there are waaay to many variables in this industry to predict what will be going on years down the road. And in this case since ASA just got bought and nobody is clear yet on what this means......who knows?!

August 16th, 2005, 17:12	#3
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 16,908	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time Chill dude, I think Kelvin's well aware that no one can tell what tomorrow will bring, but I think what Kelvin is more interested is what HAS BEEN happening as far as upgrades.

August 16th, 2005, 17:47	#4
cime_sp Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: ATL Posts: 836	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time Recently people have been upgrading in about 3-5 years.

August 16th, 2005, 18:20	#5
KLB Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: DFW Posts: 4,725	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time [ QUOTE ] You're getting a yellow-card for a poor question!! Not trying to bust-balls but it's one of those things that nobody can answer, and if they give you a straight answer it's pure speculation. Why? Cause there are waaay to many variables in this industry to predict what will be going on years down the road. And in this case since ASA just got bought and nobody is clear yet on what this means......who knows?! [/ QUOTE ] Actually it's not for me, it's for a buddy of mine who meets the mins right now. He's trying to decide should he move on to the next level or continue flight instructing to get more experience and meet the minimums for other companies. Of course I understand all of the "variables" you're talking about. He knows that also. I'm just trying to help him look at all of his options. He really didn't know that ASA was hiring with 600/100. And when I told him, he asked what was the upgrade times. Since I didn't know I figure I would ask some of the "friendliest" aviation people in the world (you guys). Anyways thanks for all of the responses.....the lecture and the other ones.

August 16th, 2005, 19:15	#6
EagleATR Newbie Join Date: Jul 2005 Location: MCO Posts: 14	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time The potential sale of ASA may have an impact on both the hiring and the upgrade time. Things may change depending on who the new owner turns out to be.

August 16th, 2005, 19:33	#7
pa31350pilot Newbie Join Date: Dec 2004 Location: Nazareth, PA Posts: 15	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time Upgrade time is fluid thing in the airlines, so what it is today, may not be tomorrow. Anyhow, the requirements to upgrade at ASA as of now are 3000 tt, 2000 multi, and 500 with the company. So if he is just at the mins, he will need about 3 years just to meet the mins for upgrade. By the time he gets the time up in the right seat, he will have enough seniority to bid for an upgrade. Good Luck

August 16th, 2005, 19:34	#8
EDUC8-or Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2001 Location: NC Posts: 2,845	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time Although the minimums are 600/100 I believe most people are getting interviews around 850+/200+. If things don't change I think the upgrades might go down to about 3 years. It's hard to tell with the sale to SkyWest. I believe ASA will be able to fly for other carriers outside of Delta in the future which could mean growth. Growth means faster upgrades. It would be better for ASA to branch out as Delta is in big trouble right now.

August 16th, 2005, 21:32	#9
KLB Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: DFW Posts: 4,725	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time Right now he is at about 750/200, so he is in good shape. He will have 1000/200 easy in about 2.5 months. Thanks again for all of you guys responses!

August 16th, 2005, 23:28	#10
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 7,441	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time Hmmm... So with ASA being sold and OO with no union, I hate to use the staple word, but it is a possibility. With that said... upgrade at Eagle might start to look attractive to some Chandler guys.

August 16th, 2005, 23:33	#11
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 17,870	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time Staple, as in stapling the seniority list? Nah, they're keeping them as separate companies right now.

August 17th, 2005, 01:16	#12
NJA_Capt Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: Right of Center Posts: 1,483	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time [ QUOTE ] Right now he is at about 750/200 [/ QUOTE ] The LAST thing someone with 750tt should be concerned with is when they will upgrade!!!! That has always been one of my hot buttons. Asking that in an interview = out the door.

August 17th, 2005, 01:18	#13
viper548 Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Colorado Springs Posts: 821	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time At 750TT, It's gonna take at least 2 years to get enough time to upgrade into a crj anyways because of insurance req's. Chances are, he doesn't meet the ATP requirements anyways (read beyond the 1500tt)

August 17th, 2005, 12:45	#14
KLB Old Skool Join Date: May 2005 Location: DFW Posts: 4,725	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time Again, he knows all of this you guys are telling me..... i.e. uncertainty of the future and he did not even know that ASA minumums were so low. When I told him about what some people were getting hired with , he inquired because he figures that upgrade times would be longer because of the lower mininums. Since I didn't know the upgrade times I figured I'd ask. Get a grip guys. I know that there is no guarantee. Nothing in life is ever guaranteed, except that you will meet your maker one day. And thanks again for all of the input. I figured that no question would be a dumb question on here. (Unless it's about the benifits of PFT or PFJ)

August 17th, 2005, 17:18	#15
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 53,281 Blog Entries: 2	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time Let's put it this way. The gentleman right in front of me at Skyway enjoyed a 13 month upgrade. It took me about 18 months. Upgrade times are about like going to Disneyworld. Today, at 1616 EDT, you can probably experience a five minute wait for "Space Mountain". By the time you leave Apopka, hit I-4 and then SR-428, that five minute wait may be forty minutes. United was running three-year upgrades when they were last hiring. If you got hired today, it's going to be a lot longer than three years.

August 17th, 2005, 18:07	#16
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,421	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time Id really be looking into some facts on the new buyout before I would accept a position at ASA.

August 17th, 2005, 18:54	#17
Baronman Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: NEWARK Posts: 1,690	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time [ QUOTE ] Id really be looking into some facts on the new buyout before I would accept a position at ASA. [/ QUOTE ] Definetly. However this is difficult to convey to many w/ 6-700hrs and looking at their first airline job.

August 17th, 2005, 18:57	#18
Kingairer Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Nomadic...World Wide Boobie Bungalow Bouncer Posts: 3,421	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time Well to those folks, However difficult it is to believe, you could find your self in a worse postion by making a hasty decision, you could be unemployed. Im not saying dont go there, i dont even know the specifics. but be responsible about it and find out that info, before you quit your current job. You dont want to be in class and furloughed before you even touch a cardboad cut out of a CRJ.

August 17th, 2005, 19:13	#19
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 53,281 Blog Entries: 2	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time But then, if you're looking for safety, stability and always having the abilitiy to say "I've made the right career choice!" walk, nay, RUN from any job involving a yoke. Except if it's connected to a team of oxen.

August 17th, 2005, 21:08	#20
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 17,870	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time [ QUOTE ] By the time you leave Apopka, hit I-4 and then SR-428, that five minute wait may be forty minutes. [/ QUOTE ] Shoulda just taken I-4 to World Drive and skipped the toll road.

August 17th, 2005, 21:10	#21
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 53,281 Blog Entries: 2	Re: What\'s ASA\'s upgrade time [ QUOTE ] Shoulda just taken I-4 to World Drive and skipped the toll road. [/ QUOTE ] Yeah, but I was living in Altamonte! We only had a short snippet of I-4 and the rest were packed!

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