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June 11th, 2004, 13:15
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Is it true that the F-14 will soon begin to get phased out as grumman (now northop grumman) no longer makes them and the new F-18 models are replacing them? I also went to the naval fighter weapons training school and noticed they are using mostly if not only F-18s. Does anyone have any information on this?
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June 11th, 2004, 13:17
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| Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia
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The F-14 is a dinosaur, and will be phased out.
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June 11th, 2004, 13:31
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Yep, the F14 is being phased out, the Navy is also introducing and enhanced version of the F18, "The Super Hornet". Basically it is a stretched F18 Hornet with more powerful engines. I think the F18 will also assume more of the duties from the A6.
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June 11th, 2004, 13:34
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Yeah, I heard of a E/A-18 which is configured for eletronic warfare.
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June 11th, 2004, 15:19
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| Old Skool  Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Grand Forks, ND (UND)/ Davenport, IA
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I was saddend to see them go. They were my favorite military airplane. Oh well, out with the old in with newer better things I guess. The F-18 is really bad A!@ too, It is becoming my new favorite. Tom |
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June 11th, 2004, 15:21
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The closest I've gotten to being in the Navy is watching Navy SEAL training on the discovery channel, but from what I've heard and read the Super Hornet is the Navy's plane of the near future.
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June 11th, 2004, 15:46
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The F14s were awesome in the movie TopGun  |
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June 11th, 2004, 16:30
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Yeah, the F14s were phenomenal in Top Gun. Hard to imagine them getting the heave-ho. Does anyone know why, is it cheaper to maintain super hornets, are they more of a multi role fighter, inquiring minds wanna know?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!??!?
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June 11th, 2004, 16:32
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| Old Skool  Join Date: May 2002 Location: Maryland
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Wait, I thought the JSF was supposed to be the plane for all the different branches of the military? Am I wrong here?
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June 11th, 2004, 16:42
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[ QUOTE ] Does anyone know why, is it cheaper to maintain super hornets, are they more of a multi role fighter, inquiring minds wanna know?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!??!? [/ QUOTE ] There's nothing that the F-14 can do that the Hornet can't!! The Hornet, on the other hand, is a true multi-role aircraft with much newer - and more capable - technology. |
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June 11th, 2004, 16:45
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If the F18 has more technology then why not why just upgrade the technology in the F14?
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June 11th, 2004, 16:48
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[ QUOTE ] If the F18 has more technology then why not why just upgrade the technology in the F14? [/ QUOTE ] That's just putting a bow tie on a pig. She's had her day now it's time to step aside. |
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June 11th, 2004, 16:51
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[ QUOTE ] Wait, I thought the JSF was supposed to be the plane for all the different branches of the military? Am I wrong here? [/ QUOTE ] No you are right. It will be used throughout the branches, but it will not be the only fighter/strike aircraft. The F-18 and F-22/15 will still be highyl used. The JSF is a replacement for the 16 as a multi role, cheap(considering price if 22 or 18) aircraft. |
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June 11th, 2004, 16:53
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[ QUOTE ] If the F18 has more technology then why not why just upgrade the technology in the F14? [/ QUOTE ] DTA is exactly right!! When your computer is gone to #####, you can only upgrade it so much before you have to get a new one! When your car starts breaking down, how many times do you replace the transmission before you're better of buying a new one? |
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June 11th, 2004, 17:19
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| Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2003 Location: In my Cozy garage
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[ QUOTE ] The JSF is a replacement for the 16 [/ QUOTE ] Now I am about ready to cry!!!!!!!!!!! |
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June 11th, 2004, 17:33
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It is sad to see these beauties go but as we've seen from the past it is only for the best. People hated to see the B-25 and the B-17 go. But now we have the B-2 and the B-1 which are awesome and do a great job.
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June 11th, 2004, 17:43
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[ QUOTE ] Yeah, the F14s were phenomenal in Top Gun. Hard to imagine them getting the heave-ho. Does anyone know why, is it cheaper to maintain super hornets, are they more of a multi role fighter, inquiring minds wanna know?!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!?!?!?!!??!? [/ QUOTE ] Just remember the F14 is flying around with Vietnam age technology, must be getting hard to keep the old gal flying. Would cost plenty of money to modernize the F14's, better to go with the F18, since the F18 will also replace the A6. They can save $$$$$ in spare parts will replacing "2" ancient airplanes, now, don't me wrong, the F14 is my favorite airplane, but it time for her to go. |
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June 11th, 2004, 19:11
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Actually, the latest F-14D has pretty advanced avionics. The main reason they are getting rid of the F-14 is becasue they are too hard to maintain. I cannot remember how many man hours on the ground there are for every hour of flight time but its higher then the F/A-18. With the best crew in the world, taking one engine out, service, and replacement takes about 24 hours. That is with the best crew in the world. The Hornet is more mechanic friendly. It takes about 8 hours for them to service both engines. Its just that much easier to work on. The F-14 has been used in a variety of roles. It is quite capable too. Their gound attack capabilities are on par with the Hornets. They are excellent recon platforms, and they are incridible interceptors. Pure interceptions is where the Hornet cannot match the Tomcat. However, it is true that the F-14 is not as maneuverable as the F/A-18. The Tomcat is my favorite aircraft if anyone can tell....  |
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June 11th, 2004, 19:34
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Maybe tomcatter can tell us all the reasons for the F-14 being phased out.   |
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June 11th, 2004, 19:36
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[ QUOTE ] Actually, the latest F-14D has pretty advanced avionics. [/ QUOTE ] At the time of it's birth, yes. [ QUOTE ] The main reason they are getting rid of the F-14 is becasue they are too hard to maintain. [/ QUOTE ] It's alot more complicated than that, bud. The F-14 is a fighter, hence the F-14. The F/A-18 was designed from the ground up as a dual-role aircraft, capable of both aerial combat and ground attack. The F-14 CAN fill an attack role, just as an A-4 Skyhawk CAN dogfight. However, the F/A-18 can do both without a problem. [ QUOTE ] The Hornet is more mechanic friendly. It takes about 8 hours for them to service both engines. [/ QUOTE ] You don't really Service turbine engines....did you mean replace them?? [ QUOTE ] Their gound attack capabilities are on par with the Hornets. [/ QUOTE ] Negative, Ghostrider. [ QUOTE ] They are excellent recon platforms, and they are incridible interceptors. Pure interceptions is where the Hornet cannot match the Tomcat. However, it is true that the F-14 is not as maneuverable as the F/A-18. [/ QUOTE ] Huh? Where are your sources for this dribble? [ QUOTE ] The Tomcat is my favorite aircraft if anyone can tell.... [/ QUOTE ] We can tell.... |
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June 11th, 2004, 19:46
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You are talking about the Super Tom Cat, which makes up a minority of the fleet of F14's. The F14's started to fall out of the limelight with they phased out the Phoenix missle. Lloyd, I loved what you said about an engine change on the Hornet, when I was working out of Atsugi base in Japan, the mechs on the F18 when they used to watch us do an engine change on P3 Orion, an engine change took us about 24 hours. |
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June 11th, 2004, 19:47
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[ QUOTE ] Lloyd, I loved what you said about an engine change on the Hornet, when I was working out of Atsugi base in Japan, the mechs on the F18 when they used to watch us do an engine change on P3 Orion, an engine change took us about 24 hours. [/ QUOTE ] Man, you should deal with those POS H-53's.... . The call it a QEC - Quick Engine Change - kit. I'm not sure exactly who came up with that name.... |
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June 11th, 2004, 20:23
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| Administrator  Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark
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Tomcats are taking up space at the boneyard at Davis-Monthan quick. Every week, I could watch as a pair of Tomcats would come up initial with wings swept for a 6-G break into the landing pattern...sort of a final hurrah. They'd land, and pull into transient parking (which was right next to our ramp). After shutdown, a truck from the boneyard would show up, and the crew would hand the logbooks for the aircraft to the guys in the truck. The crew would pull their personal gear off the jet, then a tug would come by and tow the jet down the 2 miles of taxiway to the boneyard. Sad. Tomcats, along with C-141s and T-37s are the biggest amount of in-precessing aircraft to the boneyard. I got to see the first C-5 come in. It did a low pass down the runway and pulled into the close downwind. Cool to see a huge plane do that. |
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June 15th, 2004, 23:54
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[ QUOTE ] I think the F18 will also assume more of the duties from the A6. [/ QUOTE ] BLASPHEMY! Pointy noses will never replace round ones...that's true for a lotta jets on the flight deck including my beloved War Hoover. Honestly, the Hornet never impressed me (from my point of view). Had no legs...yeah the 'super' hornet has more gas, but guess what, the airplane's bigger. Takes gas to carry gas. The phrase that's always falling out of the hornet-driver's mouth? "Got any opportunity give?" Typing that takes me back... |
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