Why Not Deploy F-22's To The AOR?

alphaone · October 20th, 2009, 17:11

I know one of the major arguments against cutting the F-22 was that it was not deployed to the AOR for the two current wars. Why doesn't the Air Force deploy it there? Can't it fly out of a base in Iraq or Al Uldeid where it would be safe? It could be a small 12 ship deployment to conduct counter air and training in a different enviornment just like they do in Japan and Guam regularly. To me, seems like a good idea whether they are or are not going to buy more, serves a good training purpose and proves the Rapters can go over there.

USMCmech · October 20th, 2009, 17:47

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Originally Posted by alphaone

I know one of the major arguments against cutting the F-22 was that it was not deployed to the AOR for the two current wars. Why doesn't the Air Force deploy it there? Can't it fly out of a base in Iraq or Al Uldeid where it would be safe? It could be a small 12 ship deployment to conduct counter air and training in a different enviornment just like they do in Japan and Guam regularly. To me, seems like a good idea whether they are or are not going to buy more, serves a good training purpose and proves the Raptors can go over there.

What would be the point? The F-15s achieved air superiority 6 years ago.

Yes the F-22 CAN carry bombs if need be, but that's like an Indy car pulling a horse trailer. A F-16 or A-10 is a much better choice.

The reason they are in Guam and Japan is so they will be in position to respond to North Korea.

Superfly7XAF · October 20th, 2009, 18:36

Why not deploy them? Because they're an air superiority fighter and there would be nothing for them to do, simple as that.

As far as training over there, that would be a pointless waste of taxpayer money . . . I'm surprised it hasn't happened already.

Hacker15e · October 20th, 2009, 19:12

Not even close to being a good idea, unfortunately.

It's a combat zone. First and foremost, you don't have people and equipment over there that don't need to be there. You absolutely, positively, DO NOT do "training deployments" to combat zones.

The Raptors wouldn't be providing anything toward accomplishment, so it would be needless risk (of both personnel and expen$ive equipment) and a huge expenditure of treasure for zero gain (think of the Per Diem, combat zone tax exclusion, and hostile fire pay for everyone involved).

I can't think of a single reason this would be a good idea. There are only really three marginal reasons to do it:

- So F-22 drivers could log some "combat" sorties and get a few air medals.

- So F-22s could claim to have operated in a "combat" environment, even though there is very little actual threat to them and no operational mission for them to perform besides DCA.

- So Iran could be scared that there were a bunch of Raptors really close to their border (or both borders if they were at Balad and Bagram simultaneously).

///AMG · October 21st, 2009, 00:19

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Originally Posted by Hacker15e

- So Iran could be scared that there were a bunch of Raptors really close to their border (or both borders if they were at Balad and Bagram simultaneously).

Maybe I'm out to lunch on this one, but this seems like about the only reason why they would even consider such a deployment.

TC_ABM · October 24th, 2009, 17:55

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Originally Posted by ///AMG

Maybe I'm out to lunch on this one, but this seems like about the only reason why they would even consider such a deployment.

Nope.

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Originally Posted by Hacker15e

- So F-22 drivers could log some "combat" sorties and get a few air medals.

Yep.

ppragman · October 24th, 2009, 18:37

I'm all about the Armored Air Tractors now, that or some sort of close air support airplane like the OV10 used to be. Seems like the good way to go.

bunk22 · October 25th, 2009, 00:34

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Originally Posted by ppragman

I'm all about the Armored Air Tractors now, that or some sort of close air support airplane like the OV10 used to be. Seems like the good way to go.

Navy already has a program in effect with Super T's.

ppragman · October 25th, 2009, 00:58

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Originally Posted by bunk22

Navy already has a program in effect with Super T's.

Awesome, simply awesome.

Low_Level_Hell · November 2nd, 2009, 13:29

Does/can the F-22 carry a targeting pod?

aloft · November 2nd, 2009, 16:04

No.

alphaone · November 19th, 2009, 02:28

http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/20...e_uae_111709w/

F-22s, F-16s deploy to UAE

Staff report
Posted : Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 20:27:35 EST

Air Force F-16s and F-22s have deployed to the United Arab Emirates, the service announced Sunday.

The F-16s will be supporting Exercise Iron Falcon until Dec. 10 at the United Arab Emirates Air Warfare Center. The exercise is designed to bring together Gulf Cooperation Council nations and other countries to strengthen military-to-military relationships, promote regional security, improve combined tactical air operations, and enhance interoperability of forces, equipment and procedures.

During the same period, F-22s will participate in bilateral training opportunities with coalition partners.

Mikey_G · November 19th, 2009, 05:29

UAE...must be nice.

"Deployment"

October 20th, 2009, 17:11	#1
alphaone Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 863	Why Not Deploy F-22's To The AOR? I know one of the major arguments against cutting the F-22 was that it was not deployed to the AOR for the two current wars. Why doesn't the Air Force deploy it there? Can't it fly out of a base in Iraq or Al Uldeid where it would be safe? It could be a small 12 ship deployment to conduct counter air and training in a different enviornment just like they do in Japan and Guam regularly. To me, seems like a good idea whether they are or are not going to buy more, serves a good training purpose and proves the Rapters can go over there. __________________ 8/20/05 PPL 8/16/06 IR

October 20th, 2009, 18:36	#3
Superfly7XAF Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2008 Location: Stuck in the South Posts: 128	Re: Why Not Deploy F-22's To The AOR? Why not deploy them? Because they're an air superiority fighter and there would be nothing for them to do, simple as that. As far as training over there, that would be a pointless waste of taxpayer money . . . I'm surprised it hasn't happened already. __________________ The best place for a plane is in the middle of the sky; the edges can be dangerous.

October 20th, 2009, 19:12	#4
Hacker15e Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: 'Merica Posts: 1,896	Re: Why Not Deploy F-22's To The AOR? Not even close to being a good idea, unfortunately. It's a combat zone. First and foremost, you don't have people and equipment over there that don't need to be there. You absolutely, positively, DO NOT do "training deployments" to combat zones. The Raptors wouldn't be providing anything toward accomplishment, so it would be needless risk (of both personnel and expen$ive equipment) and a huge expenditure of treasure for zero gain (think of the Per Diem, combat zone tax exclusion, and hostile fire pay for everyone involved). I can't think of a single reason this would be a good idea. There are only really three marginal reasons to do it: - So F-22 drivers could log some "combat" sorties and get a few air medals. - So F-22s could claim to have operated in a "combat" environment, even though there is very little actual threat to them and no operational mission for them to perform besides DCA. - So Iran could be scared that there were a bunch of Raptors really close to their border (or both borders if they were at Balad and Bagram simultaneously). __________________ Trains were meant to be strafed. 0100011000101101001100010011010101000101

October 24th, 2009, 18:37	#7
ppragman Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Sunny Juneau Posts: 3,064	Re: Why Not Deploy F-22's To The AOR? I'm all about the Armored Air Tractors now, that or some sort of close air support airplane like the OV10 used to be. Seems like the good way to go. __________________ Fly the Super Bear Arrival, Report the Bear.

November 2nd, 2009, 13:29	#10
Low_Level_Hell Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2006 Posts: 203	Re: Why Not Deploy F-22's To The AOR? Does/can the F-22 carry a targeting pod?

November 2nd, 2009, 16:04	#11
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November 19th, 2009, 02:28	#12
alphaone Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 863	Re: Why Not Deploy F-22's To The AOR? http://www.airforcetimes.com/news/20...e_uae_111709w/ F-22s, F-16s deploy to UAE Staff report Posted : Wednesday Nov 18, 2009 20:27:35 EST Air Force F-16s and F-22s have deployed to the United Arab Emirates, the service announced Sunday. The F-16s will be supporting Exercise Iron Falcon until Dec. 10 at the United Arab Emirates Air Warfare Center. The exercise is designed to bring together Gulf Cooperation Council nations and other countries to strengthen military-to-military relationships, promote regional security, improve combined tactical air operations, and enhance interoperability of forces, equipment and procedures. During the same period, F-22s will participate in bilateral training opportunities with coalition partners. __________________ 8/20/05 PPL 8/16/06 IR Last edited by alphaone; November 19th, 2009 at 02:51.

November 19th, 2009, 05:29	#13
Mikey_G Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Nuevo Mehhico Posts: 591	Re: Why Not Deploy F-22's To The AOR? UAE...must be nice. "Deployment" __________________ C-130 Loadmaster HH-60G Crew Chief (former) - Mike (former nick HH-60CC)

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