"Air Force 'tactical'"...

[Doug Taylor]

Someone made the comment that I'm flying like an "Air Force Tactical Guy" yesterday. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to thank him or kick him squaw in the nuts.

Help?

[seagull]

Depends on what the guy flew himself. If he was a tactical guy, it was definitely a compliment (and I would lean that way anyway, as the tactical guys tend to be very sharp), however, if it was from a "heavy" driver, then the implication was that you were flying roughly or too aggressively.

So, what was the guy's background?

[Dugie8]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Someone made the comment that I'm flying like an "Air Force Tactical Guy" yesterday. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to thank him or kick him squaw in the nuts.

Help?

Why would you want to hit that nice man in his General and two Commanders with a nice Indian woman?

[staplegun]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Someone made the comment that I'm flying like an "Air Force Tactical Guy" yesterday. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to thank him or kick him squaw in the nuts.

Help?

Well, just the fact that he said you were flying like any kind of an air force guy is an insult right there...

Kevin

[fish314]

Originally Posted by staplegun

Well, just the fact that he said you were flying like any kind of an air force guy is an insult right there...

Kevin

Hey!! I resemble that remark.

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Someone made the comment that I'm flying like an "Air Force Tactical Guy" yesterday. I'm not sure if I'm supposed to thank him or kick him squaw in the nuts.

Help?

I don't know. Some of that tactical stuff is pretty fun, though. In heavies we had some tactical arrival and departure procedures that were pretty cool. Lot's of steep descents close to landing.

[C650CPT]

when I learned to fly my primary instructor was a Marine who told me my landings were like a Navy guys landings ... I thought it was a compliment till I realized I was slamming em on. Now I don't do much better but that trailing link gear really makes me look good!

Jim

[Doug Taylor]

This is my rough "civilians guide" to survival at a predominantly former-military airline:

"One of those SAC guys" - The book doesn't say you CAN do it, so you can't do it.

"NATOPS" - Big picture, the book doesn't say you CAN'T do it, so you can do it.

"Navy landing" - rough

"It's Marine friendly" - It's really simple and foolproof.

"Field Grade Day" - a good, calm CAVU day. When the guys with birds on their hats come out to go for a currency ride

"Barnical Bill" - Series of songs you sing when you've had too much to drink.

"One day on cruise" - warning that you're going to hear a really long story about a port call.

I'll try and think of more, but me tired.

[seagull]

Forgetting a few other terms, like "this story is true, no sh--", and "commanders moon", and let's not forget knowing the difference between an O-5 and an O-4, etc....

[seagull]

Nothing like working for a company that's mostly military.

Sorry for any formatting problems! This will give a taste of the constant friendly banter that goes on....

MILITARY LANGUAGE CONVERSION CHART
Needed by all in a Joint Command

NAVY/USMC --- ARMY --- AIR FORCE


Head --- Latrine --- Powder Room
Rack --- Bunk --- Single with ruffle and duvet
Mess Deck/Chow Hall--- Mess Hall/Mess Tent --- Dining Facility or The Cafe'
"Cookie", stew burner --- Mess Cook --- Contract Chef
Coffee/Mud--- Cup of Joe --- Vanilla Skim Latte'
Bug Juice --- Kool-Aid --- Shirley Temple
Utilities/Digitals --- BDUs/ACUs--- Casual Wear
Seaman/Private--- Private --- Bobby/Jimmy
Chief/Gunny --- Sergeant --- Bob/Jim
Captain/Skipper--- Colonel--- Robert/James
Captain's Mast --- Article 15 --- Time Out
Berthing/Barracks --- Barracks --- Apartment
Skivvies/U-Trau --- Underwear --- Undies
Thrown in the Brig --- Put in Confinement--- Grounded
Zoom Bag --- Flight Suit --- Business Casual
Cover/Head Gear --- Beret--- Optional
Ship's Store/BX --- PX (PX Trailer) --- AAFES Shopping Mall
TAD --- TDY --- PCS with family
Cruise/Afloat --- Deploy --- Huh?
Ground Grabbers --- Athletic Shoes --- Flip-Flops
Die for your Country --- Die for your Battle Buddy --- Die for Air Conditioning
Shipmate/Marine --- Battle Buddy --- Don't Ask, Don't Tell or Honey
Terminate/Kill --- Take Out --- Back on Base for Happy Hour
Boon Dockers --- Jump Boots Birkenstocks
Low Quarters Low Quarters --- Patent Leather Pumps
SEAL --- SF/Ranger --- Librarian
Shore Patrol/MPs --- MPs --- SOF
Oouh-Rah! --- Hoo-ah! --- Hip-Hip hurray!
MRE --- MRE --- Happy Meal To Go
Salute --- Salute --- Wave/High five
Obstacle Course --- Confidence Cours --- Class VI Parking Lot
Grinder/Drill Field --- Parade Field --- What?
Gedunk --- Snack Bar --- Chuck E. Cheese
PT Test --- APFT --- "No conversion available"
Dept. of the Navy DoD DoD Lite
Midshipman --- Cadet --- Debutant
Hard-Core --- Strak --- "Way Too Serious"

[fish314]

You're just jealous because we've already won the war by the time you've walked/hitchhiked/ridden a camel there.

Let me refer you to (a slightly cleaned up version to get past the filter software) the SAC motto, "Strategic Air Command, when you absolutely, positively, have to kill every muthatrucker on the planet overnight!"

[seagull]

"Here's to women and gunpowder, we live by one, die by the other, and love the smell of both!"

[DE727UPS]

"NATOPS" - Big picture, the book doesn't say you CAN'T do it, so you can do it."

Wow. That's a direct quote from one of my carpet dances. Had never heard that before. Didn't know it was a NATOPS thing (what's NATOPS by the way?), but that's exactly what the guy said...

I refused to do an autoland with autothrottles deferred in weather that demanded an autoland. Ask around for me Doug. Can you do an autoland at DL without autothrottles? I still haven't got an answer from my leadership on that one....

[Doug Taylor]

A new one I heard today from a JAX P-3 guy:

Him: "Hey, this is IMAT" (in reference to food)

Me: "Huh?!"

Him: "It'll Make a Turd" (acceptable to eat)

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

I refused to do an autoland with autothrottles deferred in weather that demanded an autoland. Ask around for me Doug. Can you do an autoland at DL without autothrottles? I still haven't got an answer from my leadership on that one....

We can do a Cat II autoland without autothrottles, but not on Cat III.

At least according to the "ILS Airborne Equipment Requirements" on NP.10.9 if Staplegun wants to crosscheck as well.

[DE727UPS]

This was a CAT 1 autoland to runway 1 at RFD. Mins said "autoland or HGS" required. I didn't think I could do an autoland with no autothrottles, so I went to DSM for more gas. I can only say for sure our books say CAT 2 and CAT 3 autolands require autothrottles and I've never been trained for a manual throttle autoland (though I've been assured Boeing flight tested the airplane that way).

It's interesting to note DL specifically allows CAT 2 autolands with no autothrottles as UPS doesn't.

[staplegun]

Originally Posted by DE727UPS

"NATOPS" - Big picture, the book doesn't say you CAN'T do it, so you can do it."

Wow. That's a direct quote from one of my carpet dances. Had never heard that before. Didn't know it was a NATOPS thing (what's NATOPS by the way?), but that's exactly what the guy said...

NATOPS = Naval Aviation Training and Operating Procedures Standardization.


Basically the difference between the Navy and The Air Force. In the Air Force (especially SAC), if the regulations don't say you can do it, then you can't do it. In the Navy, if it's not specifically prohibited....


Kevin

[DE727UPS]

"if the regulations don't say you can do it, then you can't do it"

Guess that makes me an Air Force kinda guy.

I approached this problem with that logic and was promptly told I was "looking at it the wrong way", followed by Doug's NATOPS quote. I really didn't know what to say, or even how to argue with such logic. So I just said "okay" and did what I was told.

Yes, the 757 does a fine autoland with manual thrust levers....

[mtsu_av8er]

Originally Posted by staplegun

NATOPS = Naval Aviation Training and Operating Procedures Standardization.

The NATOPS is our friend!

[Mike Lewis]

The best comparison I have heard of the services - and I think it is especially funny as an AF acquisition guy who has "secured" lots of stuff:

"Secure the Building"

When the Marines get the order, "Secure the Building", the Marines go into the building, kill everybody, put guns in the windows and doors, and nobody gets in or out. The Building is Secure.

When the Army gets the order, "Secure the Building", the Army sets up a perimeter around the building, nothing gets in or out of the building. The Building is Secure.

When the Navy gets the order, "Secure the Building", the Navy locks all the doors and windows. The Building is Secure.

When the Air Force gets the order, "Secure the Building", the Air Force signs a 12 month lease. Building Secure.

[seagull]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

We can do a Cat II autoland without autothrottles, but not on Cat III.

At least according to the "ILS Airborne Equipment Requirements" on NP.10.9 if Staplegun wants to crosscheck as well.

Same for us.

[Hacker15e]

Originally Posted by seagull

"Here's to women and gunpowder, we live by one, die by the other, and love the smell of both!"

Uhhh, that's "gunpowder and <edited>"

[Hacker15e]

None of the guys on the ground I've showed up to provide CAS for told me to turn around and take my bombs home because I was a wussy Air Force fighter pilot.

All of this AF bashing is fine and good, but when the winner of a war is decided by how well you can land on a boat, the Navy is going to kick ass. Until then, let's measure it on how well you can fly and fight.

[fiveninerzero]

Originally Posted by seagull

MILITARY LANGUAGE CONVERSION CHART
Needed by all in a Joint Command

NAVY/USMC --- ARMY --- AIR FORCE


Shore Patrol/MPs --- MPs --- SOF

They all suck, but this one is sooooooo funny!

[Mike Lewis]

In Korea, I told the town patrol I was Canadian - and they bought it!

True story!

[seagull]

Originally Posted by Hacker15e

Uhhh, that's "gunpowder and <edited>"

Uh, yes, which is why my post is PG.