Marines get approval for special forces

BCTAv8r · November 2nd, 2005, 23:33

The Marine Corps is getting its own Special Operations Command, and its headquarters and the bulk of the 2,600-strong force will be at Camp Lejeune, the Department of Defense announced Tuesday.

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Very good news! I wonder what they will be called?

aloft · November 3rd, 2005, 00:16

MarSpecOpCom or some similarly stupid Navy/Marine contraction.

Why is this very good news? Seems the Marines are simply vying for their piece of the "special operator" funding pie.

BCTAv8r · November 3rd, 2005, 00:59

I just think it is really cool that they get a special ops team too. I've always wondered why they didn't have one. AF, Navy, and Army have theirs, Marines didn't up till now.

And as far as name, I meant like the Navy SEALS, the Army Delta Force, and AF Pararescue.

mtsu_av8er · November 3rd, 2005, 01:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by aloft

Why is this very good news? Seems the Marines are simply vying for their piece of the "special operator" funding pie.

Well, since they do work harder than any other branch, I suppose they deserve more cashola . . .

[ducks from the angry Squidlies and Army Doggies....simply smashes the Wild Blue Wonders aside . . .]

woodreau · November 3rd, 2005, 09:24

In the past the Marines were content because they considered each MEU(SOC) they deployed a Special Forces unit. A MEU(SOC) is just a regular infantry battalion that has the capability and training to do all those direct action type missions that the special forces units can do.

Need to rescue hostages, a MEU(SOC) can do it. Need to pick up an shot down Air Force pilot behind enemy lines, a MEU(SOC) can do it. Need to take down a non-compliant merchant ship, a MEU(SOC) can do it. Need covert terminal guidance for a precision weapon, a MEU(SOC) can do that too.

The best asset of a MEU(SOC) was that no matter what the mission, it was always six hours away from warning order to execution. It's actually impressive seeing the planning go down. "Assemble the CAT in the War Room." When that PA announcement went out, everybody knew something was going down. Within 30 minutes, mission, commander's guidance and commander's intent are established. Within 90 minutes, courses of action are presented with estimates of supportability along with all the satellite imagery of the target area, beach surveys. Within 2 hours course of action is selected and detailed planning begins. At 3 hours detailed planning is done, with the final confirmation briefing. The last 3 hours is getting all the mission players prep. At 6 hours, Marines are executing.

But I guess the Navy's been tight on the Marines' pursestring lately, this is a good way for them to get more money. - Navy tightwads.

shooter13 · November 3rd, 2005, 09:28

Its just another chance for the pentagon to waste money and create more jobs. Nothing more. Can't marines join the SEALs? For that matter, why not simply move the Seals under the marines. It is a better fit anyway, except that SEALs are typically smart and marines....nevermind.

Aaron_Kearney · November 4th, 2005, 00:06

Was Marine Force Recon never considered spec-ops?

mtsu_av8er · November 4th, 2005, 09:55

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Originally Posted by shooter13

It is a better fit anyway, except that SEALs are typically smart and marines....nevermind.

. . .masculine?

shooter13 · November 5th, 2005, 22:07

thats what I was going for...(go figure a marine is too dumb to figure out what I really meant....)

mtsu_av8er · November 5th, 2005, 23:07

Looking4Lower · November 6th, 2005, 10:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by BCTAv8r

Very good news! I wonder what they will be called?

They will be called "High School Graduates" to identify the characteristic that makes this small number of Marines elite and special versus all other Marines.

My work here is done, I'm out!

Aaron_Kearney · November 6th, 2005, 16:51

Quote:

Originally Posted by Looking4Lower

They will be called "High School Graduates" to identify the characteristic that makes this small number of Marines elite and special versus all other Marines.

My work here is done, I'm out!

ROFL. Touche!

Grabo172 · November 6th, 2005, 18:15

Quote:

Originally Posted by shooter13

thats what I was going for...(go figure a marine is too dumb to figure out what I really meant....)

(can't stop laughing...)

MikeD · November 6th, 2005, 18:26

Shooter,

To tie into your money-saving aspect, I'd also advocate all Close Air Support mission activity and assets be given to the Army, and the Air Force absolved of having to support the Army. The Army could have it's own integrated CAS that works for it just like the USMC does. As is, the USAF hates the CAS mission and considers it (as it always has) a third-rate mission. But they don't want to give it up since they don't want to lose the $$$ that go with it. IMO, if they don't care about the mission and don't want to devote the chunk of change it needs, then give it up. In that sense too, the Army should be self-sufficient and not have to rely on others for their air support.......it's nice if another service can provide air support on an as-neede basis, but the Army still should have their own. That way, the AF can concentrate on it's Global Reach mission, as well as it's deep-interdiction "beyond-the-FEBA" missions, and the rest of the "pointy-nose, mach-snot" missions it likes to do. Trying to do CAS and keep the mission alive, when your own HQ USAF isn't helping you, truly sucks.

Cruise · November 7th, 2005, 03:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by Aaron_Kearney

Was Marine Force Recon never considered spec-ops?

Rgr that......Recon/ Force Recon....the "former.....now having new approval" Marine Corps Spec. Operators.

mtsu_av8er · November 7th, 2005, 03:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by Looking4Lower

They will be called "High School Graduates" to identify the characteristic that makes this small number of Marines elite and special versus all other Marines.

My work here is done, I'm out!

You scored!!

November 2nd, 2005, 23:33	#1
BCTAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boca Raton Posts: 6,079	Marines get approval for special forces The Marine Corps is getting its own Special Operations Command, and its headquarters and the bulk of the 2,600-strong force will be at Camp Lejeune, the Department of Defense announced Tuesday. Full Article Very good news! I wonder what they will be called?

November 3rd, 2005, 00:16	#2
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,865	MarSpecOpCom or some similarly stupid Navy/Marine contraction. Why is this very good news? Seems the Marines are simply vying for their piece of the "special operator" funding pie. __________________ Commercial Pilot, ASEL/AMEL/IA 900+ TT/25 ME Mountain-qualified Search & Rescue/Disaster Relief Mission Pilot, Civil Air Patrol B.S., Psychology, Univ of Utah

November 3rd, 2005, 09:24	#5
woodreau Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 263	In the past the Marines were content because they considered each MEU(SOC) they deployed a Special Forces unit. A MEU(SOC) is just a regular infantry battalion that has the capability and training to do all those direct action type missions that the special forces units can do. Need to rescue hostages, a MEU(SOC) can do it. Need to pick up an shot down Air Force pilot behind enemy lines, a MEU(SOC) can do it. Need to take down a non-compliant merchant ship, a MEU(SOC) can do it. Need covert terminal guidance for a precision weapon, a MEU(SOC) can do that too. The best asset of a MEU(SOC) was that no matter what the mission, it was always six hours away from warning order to execution. It's actually impressive seeing the planning go down. "Assemble the CAT in the War Room." When that PA announcement went out, everybody knew something was going down. Within 30 minutes, mission, commander's guidance and commander's intent are established. Within 90 minutes, courses of action are presented with estimates of supportability along with all the satellite imagery of the target area, beach surveys. Within 2 hours course of action is selected and detailed planning begins. At 3 hours detailed planning is done, with the final confirmation briefing. The last 3 hours is getting all the mission players prep. At 6 hours, Marines are executing. But I guess the Navy's been tight on the Marines' pursestring lately, this is a good way for them to get more money. - Navy tightwads. __________________ Good judgement comes from experience. Experience comes from surviving bad judgement.

November 3rd, 2005, 09:28	#6
shooter13 Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,952	Crap Its just another chance for the pentagon to waste money and create more jobs. Nothing more. Can't marines join the SEALs? For that matter, why not simply move the Seals under the marines. It is a better fit anyway, except that SEALs are typically smart and marines....nevermind. __________________ "Life is nothing but a never-ending quest to be remembered everyday by someone somewhere as 'that guy'."

November 5th, 2005, 22:07	#9
shooter13 Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: South Carolina Posts: 1,952	sure thats what I was going for...(go figure a marine is too dumb to figure out what I really meant....) __________________ "Life is nothing but a never-ending quest to be remembered everyday by someone somewhere as 'that guy'."

November 3rd, 2005, 00:59	#3
BCTAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boca Raton Posts: 6,079	I just think it is really cool that they get a special ops team too. I've always wondered why they didn't have one. AF, Navy, and Army have theirs, Marines didn't up till now. And as far as name, I meant like the Navy SEALS, the Army Delta Force, and AF Pararescue.

November 4th, 2005, 00:06	#7
Aaron_Kearney Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: Louisville KY USA Posts: 603	Was Marine Force Recon never considered spec-ops?

November 5th, 2005, 23:07	#10
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,505	__________________ ------- One person says "stop gloating - life sucks!" while another says "be happy - at least you have a job!" . . . people are just stupid.

November 6th, 2005, 18:26	#14
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Shooter, To tie into your money-saving aspect, I'd also advocate all Close Air Support mission activity and assets be given to the Army, and the Air Force absolved of having to support the Army. The Army could have it's own integrated CAS that works for it just like the USMC does. As is, the USAF hates the CAS mission and considers it (as it always has) a third-rate mission. But they don't want to give it up since they don't want to lose the $$$ that go with it. IMO, if they don't care about the mission and don't want to devote the chunk of change it needs, then give it up. In that sense too, the Army should be self-sufficient and not have to rely on others for their air support.......it's nice if another service can provide air support on an as-neede basis, but the Army still should have their own. That way, the AF can concentrate on it's Global Reach mission, as well as it's deep-interdiction "beyond-the-FEBA" missions, and the rest of the "pointy-nose, mach-snot" missions it likes to do. Trying to do CAS and keep the mission alive, when your own HQ USAF isn't helping you, truly sucks. __________________ Death is not the greatest loss in life. The greatest loss is what dies inside us while we live.

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