The difference between Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard?

Boltonpilot · June 29th, 2005, 01:26

Yeah, I don't know the difference in their roles. Can someone help out? What are the differences between piloting an aircraft in the ANG and flying it in the AFR?
Thanks

MikeD · June 29th, 2005, 01:33

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What are the differences between piloting an aircraft in the ANG and flying it in the AFR?
Thanks

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Aircraft in the Air Force Reserve are flown in the same way as aircraft in the Air National Guard.

woodreau · June 29th, 2005, 03:20

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Yeah, I don't know the difference in their roles.

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This is just my generalization (and may not be totally correct):

The Air National Guard fighter units all belong to First Air Force, which is responsible for the air sovereignty mission in the lower 48 US states. These are the guys you see standing GDCA alerts at "remote" airfields and on station in the air, over various facility CAPs / metro CAPs etc. ANG units fall under each state's governor (don't belong to the DoD) until federalized.

The Air Force Reserve does belongs to Dept of Defense (namely the Dept the Air Force), and they supplement active duty Air Force units where/when required.

All the different kinds of units you find in the regular Air Force you'll be able to find in the Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard. So operational employment of ANG units and AF Reserve units is transparent, you use them the same way you use regular Air Force units (theoretically anyway).

MikeD · June 29th, 2005, 10:06

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The Air National Guard fighter units all belong to First Air Force, which is responsible for the air sovereignty mission in the lower 48 US states. These are the guys you see standing GDCA alerts at "remote" airfields and on station in the air, over various facility CAPs / metro CAPs etc. ANG units fall under each state's governor (don't belong to the DoD) until federalized.

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Not all the ANG fighter units are gained by 1st AF. Only some of the air-ait units are. For example, A-10 units aren't gained by 1st AF due to no mission of air-air. Rest is substantially correct.

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So operational employment of ANG units and AF Reserve units is transparent, you use them the same way you use regular Air Force units (theoretically anyway).

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These days with the ops tempo we have, this is especially true. Problem is, we're driving our reserve and guard units into the ground with the huge deployment pace.

Boltonpilot · June 29th, 2005, 12:19

Thanks for your help

aloft · June 29th, 2005, 20:56

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What are the differences between piloting an aircraft in the ANG and flying it in the AFR?
Thanks

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Aircraft in the Air Force Reserve are flown in the same way as aircraft in the Air National Guard.

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Save for the goofy "air defense" loadout ANG vipers fly with.

aloft · July 1st, 2005, 02:34

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What are the differences between piloting an aircraft in the ANG and flying it in the AFR?

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AFRES pilots are merely disdained by their active-duty brethren, while ANG pilots are actively ridiculed.

Boltonpilot · July 2nd, 2005, 23:11

AFRES pilots are merely disdained by their active-duty brethren, while ANG pilots are actively ridiculed.

Any examples?

{Sincerity On}
Anyway, I have been pertty serios lately about joining ANG next year, so any info about this type of service would be great from ya'll, (especially stuff that a recruiter would usually not mention).

aloft · July 3rd, 2005, 02:26

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Any examples?

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MikeD, you got this one?

Windchill · July 3rd, 2005, 16:22

Air Force Reserve units tend to reside at Active Duty bases while ANG units have their own bases. I can only speak on the ANG w/ certainty as I've been in for about 5 years now (C-130 unit).

The ANG does fall under the DOD and serves both the US Government and the State of AL, AK, DE, WV, VA ... etc at the same time.

The common misconception is that ANG units stay in the US and are only responsible more or less for homeland security. ANG units are overseas with the Active Duty right now, were during the war, and will continue to do so.

If a recruiter tells you ... "one weekend a month, two weeks a year" he's blowing smoke up your butt because that is just not the case anymore.

MDPilot · July 3rd, 2005, 17:34

Don't worry, it's once again a case of Aloft talking about something that he doesn't have a clue. In my 20 years of active duty I never heard a disparaging remark about either AFRES or ANG pilots from the active side. In fact, most active duty pilots were aspiring to one day join the reserve component to get away from all the active duty mickey mouse stuff.

Windchill · July 3rd, 2005, 18:27

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In fact, most active duty pilots were aspiring to one day join the reserve component to get away from all the active duty mickey mouse stuff.

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We have many former Active Duty -130 drivers in our unit. They know they get to fly without the constant transferring of bases as well as the relaxed atmosphere of the ANG.

aloft · July 3rd, 2005, 20:58

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Don't worry, it's once again a case of Aloft talking about something that he doesn't have a clue.

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You might want to reset the breaker for your sense of humor, man--I'm pretty sure it popped.

MDPilot · July 3rd, 2005, 23:29

Nope, CB is just fine and humor system checks good, but I believe your laughometer originator calibration is way out of whack.

June 29th, 2005, 01:26	#1
Boltonpilot Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: OH Posts: 161	The difference between Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard? Yeah, I don't know the difference in their roles. Can someone help out? What are the differences between piloting an aircraft in the ANG and flying it in the AFR? Thanks

June 29th, 2005, 01:33	#2
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: The difference between Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard? [ QUOTE ] What are the differences between piloting an aircraft in the ANG and flying it in the AFR? Thanks [/ QUOTE ] Aircraft in the Air Force Reserve are flown in the same way as aircraft in the Air National Guard.

June 29th, 2005, 03:20	#3
woodreau Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2004 Posts: 263	Re: The difference between Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard? [ QUOTE ] Yeah, I don't know the difference in their roles. [/ QUOTE ] This is just my generalization (and may not be totally correct): The Air National Guard fighter units all belong to First Air Force, which is responsible for the air sovereignty mission in the lower 48 US states. These are the guys you see standing GDCA alerts at "remote" airfields and on station in the air, over various facility CAPs / metro CAPs etc. ANG units fall under each state's governor (don't belong to the DoD) until federalized. The Air Force Reserve does belongs to Dept of Defense (namely the Dept the Air Force), and they supplement active duty Air Force units where/when required. All the different kinds of units you find in the regular Air Force you'll be able to find in the Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard. So operational employment of ANG units and AF Reserve units is transparent, you use them the same way you use regular Air Force units (theoretically anyway).

June 29th, 2005, 10:06	#4
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: The difference between Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard? [ QUOTE ] The Air National Guard fighter units all belong to First Air Force, which is responsible for the air sovereignty mission in the lower 48 US states. These are the guys you see standing GDCA alerts at "remote" airfields and on station in the air, over various facility CAPs / metro CAPs etc. ANG units fall under each state's governor (don't belong to the DoD) until federalized. [/ QUOTE ] Not all the ANG fighter units are gained by 1st AF. Only some of the air-ait units are. For example, A-10 units aren't gained by 1st AF due to no mission of air-air. Rest is substantially correct. [ QUOTE ] So operational employment of ANG units and AF Reserve units is transparent, you use them the same way you use regular Air Force units (theoretically anyway). [/ QUOTE ] These days with the ops tempo we have, this is especially true. Problem is, we're driving our reserve and guard units into the ground with the huge deployment pace.

June 29th, 2005, 12:19	#5
Boltonpilot Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: OH Posts: 161	Re: The difference between Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard? Thanks for your help

June 29th, 2005, 20:56	#6
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,862	Re: The difference between Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard? [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] What are the differences between piloting an aircraft in the ANG and flying it in the AFR? Thanks [/ QUOTE ] Aircraft in the Air Force Reserve are flown in the same way as aircraft in the Air National Guard. [/ QUOTE ] Save for the goofy "air defense" loadout ANG vipers fly with.

July 1st, 2005, 02:34	#7
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,862	Re: The difference between Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard? [ QUOTE ] What are the differences between piloting an aircraft in the ANG and flying it in the AFR? [/ QUOTE ] AFRES pilots are merely disdained by their active-duty brethren, while ANG pilots are actively ridiculed.

July 2nd, 2005, 23:11	#8
Boltonpilot Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: OH Posts: 161	Re: The difference between Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard? AFRES pilots are merely disdained by their active-duty brethren, while ANG pilots are actively ridiculed. Any examples? {Sincerity On} Anyway, I have been pertty serios lately about joining ANG next year, so any info about this type of service would be great from ya'll, (especially stuff that a recruiter would usually not mention).

July 3rd, 2005, 02:26	#9
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,862	Re: The difference between Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard? [ QUOTE ] Any examples? [/ QUOTE ] MikeD, you got this one?

July 3rd, 2005, 16:22	#10
Windchill Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mid-Atlantic, KMRB Posts: 1,925	Re: The difference between Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard? Air Force Reserve units tend to reside at Active Duty bases while ANG units have their own bases. I can only speak on the ANG w/ certainty as I've been in for about 5 years now (C-130 unit). The ANG does fall under the DOD and serves both the US Government and the State of AL, AK, DE, WV, VA ... etc at the same time. The common misconception is that ANG units stay in the US and are only responsible more or less for homeland security. ANG units are overseas with the Active Duty right now, were during the war, and will continue to do so. If a recruiter tells you ... "one weekend a month, two weeks a year" he's blowing smoke up your butt because that is just not the case anymore.

July 3rd, 2005, 17:34	#11
MDPilot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southeast US Posts: 776	Re: The difference between Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard? Don't worry, it's once again a case of Aloft talking about something that he doesn't have a clue. In my 20 years of active duty I never heard a disparaging remark about either AFRES or ANG pilots from the active side. In fact, most active duty pilots were aspiring to one day join the reserve component to get away from all the active duty mickey mouse stuff.

July 3rd, 2005, 18:27	#12
Windchill Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mid-Atlantic, KMRB Posts: 1,925	Re: The difference between Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard? [ QUOTE ] In fact, most active duty pilots were aspiring to one day join the reserve component to get away from all the active duty mickey mouse stuff. [/ QUOTE ] We have many former Active Duty -130 drivers in our unit. They know they get to fly without the constant transferring of bases as well as the relaxed atmosphere of the ANG.

July 3rd, 2005, 20:58	#13
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,862	Re: The difference between Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard? [ QUOTE ] Don't worry, it's once again a case of Aloft talking about something that he doesn't have a clue. [/ QUOTE ] You might want to reset the breaker for your sense of humor, man--I'm pretty sure it popped.

July 3rd, 2005, 23:29	#14
MDPilot Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2001 Location: Southeast US Posts: 776	Re: The difference between Air Force Reserve and Air National Guard? Nope, CB is just fine and humor system checks good, but I believe your laughometer originator calibration is way out of whack.

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