Warbirds of tommorow

BCTAv8r · April 17th, 2005, 15:14

So nowadays we have the lucky few who own P-51s and other warbirds. In the future, will we have civillians flying their F-16s and other aircraft of today's mil?

Timmypig · April 17th, 2005, 18:34

Brian

I suspect most of them will be too expensive. Was Larry Ellinson the one who wanted to own a MiG29? Those folks (billionaires) will be the only ones who could do it.

A P-51 or an F-86 or a Hawker Hunter runs out to a couple of thousand per hour total cost. The cost of operation goes up tenfold with a 3rd or 4th generation fighter. Think of the fuel bills alone! Also I think governments will ban their use.

I suspect the most prevalent types will be Macchis 339s, L-39s, Hawks, T-34s, etc, the turbine trainers.

My $0.02 worth, anyway.

Tim

Derek_S · April 17th, 2005, 18:52

Oh but just imagine if you could afford to own an F-16 or something like it...

aloft · April 17th, 2005, 19:52

As far as American hardware of recent vintage, there are a couple civilian-owned T-38s out there, and I want to say there's an F-86 out there on the airshow circuit. With the new jet class at Reno, I'd love to see some F-100s and the like (can you imagine an F-104 racing around the pylons???

).

Derek_S · April 17th, 2005, 20:21

[ QUOTE ]
As far as American hardware of recent vintage, there are a couple civilian-owned T-38s out there, and I want to say there's an F-86 out there on the airshow circuit. With the new jet class at Reno, I'd love to see some F-100s and the like (can you imagine an F-104 racing around the pylons???

).

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That would be sweet. My aunt and uncle's house is like 10 yards away from a pylon, so all the planes fly directly over your head, it's so awesome.

MikeD · April 17th, 2005, 22:36

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(can you imagine an F-104 racing around the pylons???

).

[/ QUOTE ]

You'd have to have quite a bit of space between pylons for it's turn radius!

But what a machine it'd be to fly!

BCTAv8r · April 17th, 2005, 23:30

Slightly off topic, isn't there still an active F-4 squadron out there? I read about it somewhere but not sure where. I also heard there's a squadron of migs used for red flag and other activites.

bullmastiff · April 17th, 2005, 23:45

It is quite a bit more significiant then that. Soon, aerial combat will not be human controlled fromt he air, but instead of the ground

USMCmech · April 18th, 2005, 00:28

To answer your question Brian.

Yes, sombody somewhere will eventually buy/assemble a F-16. It hasen't happened yet, but it will. Anythings possible with enough money.

Several examples of military jets are built up from parts. And several restored WW2 aircraft are rebuilt completly, so in effect they are brand new hand built airplanes with some old parts and the data plate from the origional.

I rember hearing about some guy out in hollywood that built up 2 Cobra helos from parts he got out of the scrapyard. You've seen them in some movies that the DoD didn't support.

GatorFC · April 18th, 2005, 04:30

Not military, but if you got a couple mil lying around and it ever makes it to production you could always pick up one of these babies.

ATG JAVELIN PERSONAL JET

BCTAv8r · April 18th, 2005, 19:44

[ QUOTE ]
Not military, but if you got a couple mil lying around and it ever makes it to production you could always pick up one of these babies.

ATG JAVELIN PERSONAL JET

[/ QUOTE ]

That almost looks like a NASA design.

aloft · April 18th, 2005, 23:05

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You'd have to have quite a bit of space between pylons for it's turn radius!

[/ QUOTE ]

A few years ago at Reno, at the end of their routines, both the F-14 and F-16 demo pilots ran a lap for time around the pylons. At around 630 mph, the Viper won. Coolest thing I've ever seen at Reno--which is pretty much home to most of the coolest things I've ever seen (and the rest are just down the road a bit, outside of Carson City

).

MikeD · April 19th, 2005, 00:51

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--which is pretty much home to most of the coolest things I've ever seen (and the rest are just down the road a bit, outside of Carson City

).

[/ QUOTE ]

Which brothel was that?

I_Money · April 19th, 2005, 01:11

I thought there were a couple advanced jets out there privately owned.

aloft · April 19th, 2005, 02:21

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Which brothel was that?

[/ QUOTE ]

You expect me to narrow it down to only one???

FlyinRyan · April 21st, 2005, 11:55

That Javelin MK10 is all I'd ever want! Wow that is sweet. It must be nice to be rich....

Timmypig · June 2nd, 2005, 09:15

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Slightly off topic, isn't there still an active F-4 squadron out there? I read about it somewhere but not sure where.

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Brian, I just reread this thread tonight ... the Luftwaffe still trains its F-4 crews in the USA at Holloman AFB (?) at least they did until very recently.

MikeD · June 2nd, 2005, 14:45

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
Slightly off topic, isn't there still an active F-4 squadron out there? I read about it somewhere but not sure where.

[/ QUOTE ]

Brian, I just reread this thread tonight ... the Luftwaffe still trains its F-4 crews in the USA at Holloman AFB (?) at least they did until very recently.

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The 20th Fighter Squadron, German F-4 training, closed it's doors last January, with the last jet leaving Holloman last February. I went to the last squadron party there.

April 17th, 2005, 15:14	#1
BCTAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boca Raton Posts: 6,139	Warbirds of tommorow So nowadays we have the lucky few who own P-51s and other warbirds. In the future, will we have civillians flying their F-16s and other aircraft of today's mil?

April 17th, 2005, 18:34	#2
Timmypig Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NSW Australia Posts: 225	Re: Warbirds of tommorow Brian I suspect most of them will be too expensive. Was Larry Ellinson the one who wanted to own a MiG29? Those folks (billionaires) will be the only ones who could do it. A P-51 or an F-86 or a Hawker Hunter runs out to a couple of thousand per hour total cost. The cost of operation goes up tenfold with a 3rd or 4th generation fighter. Think of the fuel bills alone! Also I think governments will ban their use. I suspect the most prevalent types will be Macchis 339s, L-39s, Hawks, T-34s, etc, the turbine trainers. My $0.02 worth, anyway. Tim

April 17th, 2005, 18:52	#3
Derek_S Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pleasanton, CA Posts: 398	Re: Warbirds of tommorow Oh but just imagine if you could afford to own an F-16 or something like it...

April 17th, 2005, 19:52	#4
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 7,009	Re: Warbirds of tommorow As far as American hardware of recent vintage, there are a couple civilian-owned T-38s out there, and I want to say there's an F-86 out there on the airshow circuit. With the new jet class at Reno, I'd love to see some F-100s and the like (can you imagine an F-104 racing around the pylons??? ).

April 17th, 2005, 20:21	#5
Derek_S Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: Pleasanton, CA Posts: 398	Re: Warbirds of tommorow [ QUOTE ] As far as American hardware of recent vintage, there are a couple civilian-owned T-38s out there, and I want to say there's an F-86 out there on the airshow circuit. With the new jet class at Reno, I'd love to see some F-100s and the like (can you imagine an F-104 racing around the pylons??? ). [/ QUOTE ] That would be sweet. My aunt and uncle's house is like 10 yards away from a pylon, so all the planes fly directly over your head, it's so awesome.

April 17th, 2005, 22:36	#6
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Warbirds of tommorow [ QUOTE ] (can you imagine an F-104 racing around the pylons??? ). [/ QUOTE ] You'd have to have quite a bit of space between pylons for it's turn radius! But what a machine it'd be to fly!

April 17th, 2005, 23:30	#7
BCTAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boca Raton Posts: 6,139	Re: Warbirds of tommorow Slightly off topic, isn't there still an active F-4 squadron out there? I read about it somewhere but not sure where. I also heard there's a squadron of migs used for red flag and other activites.

April 17th, 2005, 23:45	#8
bullmastiff Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2004 Location: Hockey Town, MI,USA Posts: 839	Re: Warbirds of tommorow It is quite a bit more significiant then that. Soon, aerial combat will not be human controlled fromt he air, but instead of the ground

April 18th, 2005, 00:28	#9
USMCmech Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 1,644	Re: Warbirds of tommorow To answer your question Brian. Yes, sombody somewhere will eventually buy/assemble a F-16. It hasen't happened yet, but it will. Anythings possible with enough money. Several examples of military jets are built up from parts. And several restored WW2 aircraft are rebuilt completly, so in effect they are brand new hand built airplanes with some old parts and the data plate from the origional. I rember hearing about some guy out in hollywood that built up 2 Cobra helos from parts he got out of the scrapyard. You've seen them in some movies that the DoD didn't support.

April 18th, 2005, 04:30	#10
GatorFC Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: da' Bayou Posts: 1,687	Re: Warbirds of tommorow Not military, but if you got a couple mil lying around and it ever makes it to production you could always pick up one of these babies. ATG JAVELIN PERSONAL JET

April 18th, 2005, 19:44	#11
BCTAv8r Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Boca Raton Posts: 6,139	Re: Warbirds of tommorow [ QUOTE ] Not military, but if you got a couple mil lying around and it ever makes it to production you could always pick up one of these babies. ATG JAVELIN PERSONAL JET [/ QUOTE ] That almost looks like a NASA design.

April 18th, 2005, 23:05	#12
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 7,009	Re: Warbirds of tommorow [ QUOTE ] You'd have to have quite a bit of space between pylons for it's turn radius! [/ QUOTE ] A few years ago at Reno, at the end of their routines, both the F-14 and F-16 demo pilots ran a lap for time around the pylons. At around 630 mph, the Viper won. Coolest thing I've ever seen at Reno--which is pretty much home to most of the coolest things I've ever seen (and the rest are just down the road a bit, outside of Carson City ).

April 19th, 2005, 00:51	#13
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Warbirds of tommorow [ QUOTE ] --which is pretty much home to most of the coolest things I've ever seen (and the rest are just down the road a bit, outside of Carson City ). [/ QUOTE ] Which brothel was that?

April 19th, 2005, 01:11	#14
I_Money Moderator Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Socal Posts: 5,674	Re: Warbirds of tommorow I thought there were a couple advanced jets out there privately owned.

April 19th, 2005, 02:21	#15
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 7,009	Re: Warbirds of tommorow [ QUOTE ] Which brothel was that? [/ QUOTE ] You expect me to narrow it down to only one???

April 21st, 2005, 11:55	#16
FlyinRyan Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: SoCal Posts: 52	Re: Warbirds of tommorow That Javelin MK10 is all I'd ever want! Wow that is sweet. It must be nice to be rich....

June 2nd, 2005, 09:15	#17
Timmypig Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NSW Australia Posts: 225	Re: Warbirds of tommorow [ QUOTE ] Slightly off topic, isn't there still an active F-4 squadron out there? I read about it somewhere but not sure where. [/ QUOTE ] Brian, I just reread this thread tonight ... the Luftwaffe still trains its F-4 crews in the USA at Holloman AFB (?) at least they did until very recently.

June 2nd, 2005, 14:45	#18
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Warbirds of tommorow [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] Slightly off topic, isn't there still an active F-4 squadron out there? I read about it somewhere but not sure where. [/ QUOTE ] Brian, I just reread this thread tonight ... the Luftwaffe still trains its F-4 crews in the USA at Holloman AFB (?) at least they did until very recently. [/ QUOTE ] The 20th Fighter Squadron, German F-4 training, closed it's doors last January, with the last jet leaving Holloman last February. I went to the last squadron party there.

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