Military ATC

Aussie · April 4th, 2005, 01:18

Gday guys,

Just a quick one in regards to USAF ATC.
Apparently you only have to enlist to be an ATC in the USAF. In Aust, you need to be an officer.
ANyone know if this is true?

Also, once the 4yrs or 6, whatever it may be yrs of service is completed, are the USAF ATC qualified to switch stright over to a Civialian FAA ATC?

Thanks in advance

Aussie

USMCmech · April 4th, 2005, 08:18

[ QUOTE ]
Just a quick one in regards to USAF ATC.
Apparently you only have to enlist to be an ATC in the USAF. In Aust, you need to be an officer.
ANyone know if this is true?

Also, once the 4yrs or 6, whatever it may be yrs of service is completed, are the USAF ATC qualified to switch stright over to a Civialian FAA ATC?

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I don't know about OZ, but in the US military ATC is done by enlisted personel.

Military ATC can make the switch to the FAA pretty easilly>

Timmypig · April 5th, 2005, 19:15

Aussie

RAAF & RAN ATCs are officers, Army are SGTs. I can't remember what the Army career path is, I think these folks are taken from the AAAvn Corps. I sounded out that option about 10 years ago when I was in the RAInf, but didn't take it further (I didn't want to live in Oakey, for a start!!!!)

Aussie · April 7th, 2005, 05:34

Thanks for the answers.

I dont think the RAN or Army have ATC anymore, its now all in the hands of the RAAF.

So, if its an easy switch over to the FAA after the Military, wouldnt the military be loosing a [censored] load of ATC, coz i dont know what the FAA pay ATC but im sure if its anything like it aus, its a lot more than the military...

Cheers

Aussie

stuckingfk · April 8th, 2005, 17:32

My uncle has been a controller for 19 years with the Air Force. He is looking to get out right at 20 and going the civilian side of ATC while collecting his pension. He did say the switch wasn't hard at all.

I think he has made it to E-7 pay and is a sergeant (sp) but I could be wrong.

grotto · April 14th, 2005, 00:52

Navy controllers are enlisted, many at Shore installations are Reservist's.

joel_MQY · April 14th, 2005, 00:56

How does your Uncle like ATC with the Air Force? Has he faced a lot of deployments with it?

Screaming_Emu · April 15th, 2005, 02:49

I know i was quite surprised when flying with a USAF flying club whenever the guy in the tower sounded younger than I am.

MikeD · April 15th, 2005, 02:57

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I know i was quite surprised when flying with a USAF flying club whenever the guy in the tower sounded younger than I am.

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USAF flying clubs.........ugggghhhhhhhh. The pain.....

Naluryder · April 15th, 2005, 04:07

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I know i was quite surprised when flying with a USAF flying club whenever the guy in the tower sounded younger than I am.

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USAF flying clubs.........ugggghhhhhhhh. The pain.....

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I remember being stationed in Japan, Yokota AB as an ATC tower controller they also had an AF flying club and the wing commanders son was a member. Why should I give him special service just because he was the BGs son. I do remember spining him a lot " N1840V make a right 360 number three to follow report base ", " N1840V runway 36 wind calm say intentions?".....LOL...

Nalu

MikeD · April 15th, 2005, 05:50

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I know i was quite surprised when flying with a USAF flying club whenever the guy in the tower sounded younger than I am.

[/ QUOTE ]

USAF flying clubs.........ugggghhhhhhhh. The pain.....

[/ QUOTE ]

I remember being stationed in Japan, Yokota AB as an ATC tower controller they also had an AF flying club and the wing commanders son was a member. Why should I give him special service just because he was the BGs son. I do remember spining him a lot " N1840V make a right 360 number three to follow report base ", " N1840V runway 36 wind calm say intentions?".....LOL...

Nalu

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LOL. The reason it's a pain is for the flight safety aspect of my job. Aero club planes are considered just like USAF aircraft. If they have an accident/incident, we get to investigate it, with the associated paperwork, time, pain in the butt, etc. Depending on the circumstances, it may be joint with the FAA or NTSB (due to the civil registrations), but what a pain. Here at Holloman, the planes are fairly ratty, but being the only game in town (the local airport has no FBO) it's surprising the amount of business they get. It's only a matter of time, though, that something will happen. Case in point: One of the T-41s (172) had a prop strike on landing. IMO, the engine is pretty much toast unless there's a total teardown and analysis, which for the cost of a T-41, isn't the most economical thing to do. Apparently, the Aero Club thought the same, and decided to only to a small repair to the engine, since it had 600 or so hours left TBO. About a month later, the plane it taking off, and the engine quits due to fatigue damage sustained from the aforementioned prop strike, and the plane dead-sticks off airport. Like no one could've seen that one coming! Just tonight, I was taxiing from arming to takeoff, when a T-41 exiting the runway crosses behind me with my knowlege just as I'm powering up to turn and take the active. Lucky I didn't blow him over.

ATA_victim · April 15th, 2005, 20:01

MikeD what do you fly?

USMCmech · April 16th, 2005, 01:40

F-117

He could tell you, but he'd have to kill you.

SteveC · April 16th, 2005, 09:38

MikeD perspective article

Naluryder · April 17th, 2005, 00:25

Mike D,
I don't know wheather to blame the pilot of the taxieng T-41 for situational awareness or the tower controller for exiting him and not giving him the "taxi to park via txwy(x) hold short of the departing aircraft due to jet blast or engine runup" Or tower should have advised you of the cesna taxieng behind you from left to right or vise versa and to hold off on the power up until taxieng traffic passes. Just saying...LOL..
"On your bomb run, give'em hell sir !!"...LOL...

Nalu

Screaming_Emu · April 28th, 2005, 16:13

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I know i was quite surprised when flying with a USAF flying club whenever the guy in the tower sounded younger than I am.

[/ QUOTE ]

USAF flying clubs.........ugggghhhhhhhh. The pain.....

[/ QUOTE ]

I remember being stationed in Japan, Yokota AB as an ATC tower controller they also had an AF flying club and the wing commanders son was a member. Why should I give him special service just because he was the BGs son. I do remember spining him a lot " N1840V make a right 360 number three to follow report base ", " N1840V runway 36 wind calm say intentions?".....LOL...

Nalu

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hey, that's where I was flying. When were you there? I didn't do much flying while I was there cause the planes were always broken, but it was fun when I did.

April 4th, 2005, 01:18	#1
Aussie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Australia, Sydney Posts: 301	Military ATC Gday guys, Just a quick one in regards to USAF ATC. Apparently you only have to enlist to be an ATC in the USAF. In Aust, you need to be an officer. ANyone know if this is true? Also, once the 4yrs or 6, whatever it may be yrs of service is completed, are the USAF ATC qualified to switch stright over to a Civialian FAA ATC? Thanks in advance Aussie

April 4th, 2005, 08:18	#2
USMCmech Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 1,623	Re: Military ATC [ QUOTE ] Just a quick one in regards to USAF ATC. Apparently you only have to enlist to be an ATC in the USAF. In Aust, you need to be an officer. ANyone know if this is true? Also, once the 4yrs or 6, whatever it may be yrs of service is completed, are the USAF ATC qualified to switch stright over to a Civialian FAA ATC? [/ QUOTE ] I don't know about OZ, but in the US military ATC is done by enlisted personel. Military ATC can make the switch to the FAA pretty easilly>

April 5th, 2005, 19:15	#3
Timmypig Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: NSW Australia Posts: 224	Re: Military ATC Aussie RAAF & RAN ATCs are officers, Army are SGTs. I can't remember what the Army career path is, I think these folks are taken from the AAAvn Corps. I sounded out that option about 10 years ago when I was in the RAInf, but didn't take it further (I didn't want to live in Oakey, for a start!!!!)

April 7th, 2005, 05:34	#4
Aussie Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Australia, Sydney Posts: 301	Re: Military ATC Thanks for the answers. I dont think the RAN or Army have ATC anymore, its now all in the hands of the RAAF. So, if its an easy switch over to the FAA after the Military, wouldnt the military be loosing a [censored] load of ATC, coz i dont know what the FAA pay ATC but im sure if its anything like it aus, its a lot more than the military... Cheers Aussie

April 8th, 2005, 17:32	#5
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,578	Re: Military ATC My uncle has been a controller for 19 years with the Air Force. He is looking to get out right at 20 and going the civilian side of ATC while collecting his pension. He did say the switch wasn't hard at all. I think he has made it to E-7 pay and is a sergeant (sp) but I could be wrong.

April 14th, 2005, 00:52	#6
grotto Newbie Join Date: Mar 2005 Location: San Dogg/W-291 Posts: 12	Re: Military ATC Navy controllers are enlisted, many at Shore installations are Reservist's.

April 14th, 2005, 00:56	#7
joel_MQY Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Nashville Posts: 469	Re: Military ATC How does your Uncle like ATC with the Air Force? Has he faced a lot of deployments with it?

April 15th, 2005, 02:49	#8
Screaming_Emu Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,254	Re: Military ATC I know i was quite surprised when flying with a USAF flying club whenever the guy in the tower sounded younger than I am.

April 15th, 2005, 02:57	#9
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Military ATC [ QUOTE ] I know i was quite surprised when flying with a USAF flying club whenever the guy in the tower sounded younger than I am. [/ QUOTE ] USAF flying clubs.........ugggghhhhhhhh. The pain.....

April 15th, 2005, 04:07	#10
Naluryder Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Arlington,TX (GKY) Posts: 112	Re: Military ATC [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I know i was quite surprised when flying with a USAF flying club whenever the guy in the tower sounded younger than I am. [/ QUOTE ] USAF flying clubs.........ugggghhhhhhhh. The pain..... [/ QUOTE ] I remember being stationed in Japan, Yokota AB as an ATC tower controller they also had an AF flying club and the wing commanders son was a member. Why should I give him special service just because he was the BGs son. I do remember spining him a lot " N1840V make a right 360 number three to follow report base ", " N1840V runway 36 wind calm say intentions?".....LOL... Nalu

April 15th, 2005, 05:50	#11
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: Military ATC [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I know i was quite surprised when flying with a USAF flying club whenever the guy in the tower sounded younger than I am. [/ QUOTE ] USAF flying clubs.........ugggghhhhhhhh. The pain..... [/ QUOTE ] I remember being stationed in Japan, Yokota AB as an ATC tower controller they also had an AF flying club and the wing commanders son was a member. Why should I give him special service just because he was the BGs son. I do remember spining him a lot " N1840V make a right 360 number three to follow report base ", " N1840V runway 36 wind calm say intentions?".....LOL... Nalu [/ QUOTE ] LOL. The reason it's a pain is for the flight safety aspect of my job. Aero club planes are considered just like USAF aircraft. If they have an accident/incident, we get to investigate it, with the associated paperwork, time, pain in the butt, etc. Depending on the circumstances, it may be joint with the FAA or NTSB (due to the civil registrations), but what a pain. Here at Holloman, the planes are fairly ratty, but being the only game in town (the local airport has no FBO) it's surprising the amount of business they get. It's only a matter of time, though, that something will happen. Case in point: One of the T-41s (172) had a prop strike on landing. IMO, the engine is pretty much toast unless there's a total teardown and analysis, which for the cost of a T-41, isn't the most economical thing to do. Apparently, the Aero Club thought the same, and decided to only to a small repair to the engine, since it had 600 or so hours left TBO. About a month later, the plane it taking off, and the engine quits due to fatigue damage sustained from the aforementioned prop strike, and the plane dead-sticks off airport. Like no one could've seen that one coming! Just tonight, I was taxiing from arming to takeoff, when a T-41 exiting the runway crosses behind me with my knowlege just as I'm powering up to turn and take the active. Lucky I didn't blow him over.

April 15th, 2005, 20:01	#12
ATA_victim Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KDCA Posts: 173	Re: Military ATC MikeD what do you fly?

April 16th, 2005, 01:40	#13
USMCmech Old Skool Join Date: May 2004 Location: Dallas TX Posts: 1,623	Re: Military ATC F-117 He could tell you, but he'd have to kill you.

April 16th, 2005, 09:38	#14
SteveC Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,502	Re: Military ATC MikeD perspective article

April 17th, 2005, 00:25	#15
Naluryder Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2005 Location: Arlington,TX (GKY) Posts: 112	Re: Military ATC Mike D, I don't know wheather to blame the pilot of the taxieng T-41 for situational awareness or the tower controller for exiting him and not giving him the "taxi to park via txwy(x) hold short of the departing aircraft due to jet blast or engine runup" Or tower should have advised you of the cesna taxieng behind you from left to right or vise versa and to hold off on the power up until taxieng traffic passes. Just saying...LOL.. "On your bomb run, give'em hell sir !!"...LOL... Nalu

April 28th, 2005, 16:13	#16
Screaming_Emu Old Skool Join Date: May 2002 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 3,254	Re: Military ATC [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] I know i was quite surprised when flying with a USAF flying club whenever the guy in the tower sounded younger than I am. [/ QUOTE ] USAF flying clubs.........ugggghhhhhhhh. The pain..... [/ QUOTE ] I remember being stationed in Japan, Yokota AB as an ATC tower controller they also had an AF flying club and the wing commanders son was a member. Why should I give him special service just because he was the BGs son. I do remember spining him a lot " N1840V make a right 360 number three to follow report base ", " N1840V runway 36 wind calm say intentions?".....LOL... Nalu [/ QUOTE ] hey, that's where I was flying. When were you there? I didn't do much flying while I was there cause the planes were always broken, but it was fun when I did.

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