Hired at Piedmont!!!

[BobDDuck]

Originally Posted by perpetual

I just wonder if new hires such as yourself whom have very little experience out flying or even teaching others how to fly are actually ready to be making decisions based on experience that simply isn't / hasn't been there.

Eh, I had a whole post typed out but I'm too tired to make it sound coherent... So I'll just go with this.

They're not. There is no question about it. However, if the hiring departments at various regionals (and the FAA) are going to give them the opportunity to get on at this ridiculously low times, then they would be foolish not to take advantage of it. It's more a question of how quickly they gain the experience to operate (and eventually lead) a 121 crew with X number of people in the back. If somebody goes in KNOWING that they are low time and haven't seen it all, and is willing to take advice and learn, then I think, that while certainly a determent, super low time can be overcome. However, if they come in thinking they are gods gift to aviation BECAUSE they got hired at such low time, they and everybody who has to fly with them, are screwed.

[perpetual]

Hiya Bob,

They're not. There is no question about it. However, if the hiring departments at various regionals (and the FAA) are going to give them the opportunity to get on at this ridiculously low times, then they would be foolish not to take advantage of it. It's more a question of how quickly they gain the experience to operate (and eventually lead) a 121 crew with X number of people in the back.

While I understand (the sad fact) that everyone is out to look for what's best for number one (themselves), I do feel that because we don't actively stop others from doing this, we are still shooting ourselves in the foot.

Jace has made a decision to help only himself in this case,(again this is expected just like you've said, to take advantage of the situation etc).

Now I am not judging, just trying to give another view on what is factually happening with this. I am however, not sure if he himself has thought about going through the different levels of aviation to reach an experience level that will actually prepare him for the one possible time that he may need it later on.

I do feel that a CFI/CFII/MEI (with actual teaching experience) + Cargo and Freight operations (single and multi crew operations) breed aviators with the experience required for future higher performance, multi-crew 121 airline operations. (Military Guys as well)

The CO-pilot /first officer of an airliner whether it be a 747 or Dash 8 needs to be COMMAND material from the start in case the need arises (captain sick/ incapacitated, abnormal situation, emergency etc).

This ability comes from previous experience and only experience alone not taught during type training etc. It is this previous experience that carries on to allow you to make the -=correct=- decisions in any aircraft you fly etc. Knowing the aircraft is only one part of the experience puzzle.

Additionally, it would be -=fantastic=- if newly hired CRJ/DASH8/insert xxx airframe here_____ first officer crew were not "learning" about aviation with paying families in the back of the plane.

Thoughts, everyone?

-Perpetual

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by perpetual

Hiya Bob,

While I understand (the sad fact) that everyone is out to look for what's best for number one (themselves), I do feel that because we don't actively stop others from doing this, we are still shooting ourselves in the foot.

Jace has made a decision to help only himself in this case,(again this is expected just like you've said, to take advantage of the situation etc).

Now I am not judging, just trying to give another view on what is factually happening with this. I am however, not sure if he himself has thought about going through the different levels of aviation to reach an experience level that will actually prepare him for the one possible time that he may need it later on.

I do feel that a CFI/CFII/MEI (with actual teaching experience) + Cargo and Freight operations (single and multi crew operations) breed aviators with the experience required for future higher performance, multi-crew 121 airline operations. (Military Guys as well)

The CO-pilot /first officer of an airliner whether it be a 747 or Dash 8 needs to be COMMAND material from the start in case the need arises (captain sick/ incapacitated, abnormal situation, emergency etc).

This ability comes from previous experience and only experience alone not taught during type training etc. It is this previous experience that carries on to allow you to make the -=correct=- decisions in any aircraft you fly etc. Knowing the aircraft is only one part of the experience puzzle.

Additionally, it would be -=fantastic=- if newly hired CRJ/DASH8/insert xxx airframe here_____ first officer crew were not "learning" about aviation with paying families in the back of the plane.

Thoughts, everyone?

-Perpetual

Way to piss in someone elses cherios bro. If you want to debate this topic, start another thread.

My opinion only!

[myron96]

Any tips for the written, ie what to study...

[adreamer]

Written for interview?

Study your instrument reg., Jepp charts, very little 121 reg.

[aloft]

Ya know what's funny is I hear the same whines from military buds of mine, complaining about their newly-qual'ed wingmen in the F-16 and F-15, and how said wingmen pose a greater threat to them than any enemy.

[mattp1803]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

Way to piss in someone elses cherios bro. If you want to debate this topic, start another thread.

My opinion only!

[Foxcow]

Congrats Jace! Are you in for the long haul or are you on the 6 month plan?

[SRA_kbad]

Originally Posted by Maximillian_Jenius

Way to piss in someone elses cherios bro. If you want to debate this topic, start another thread.

My opinion only!

AMEN to that!!!!

[Doug Taylor]

Originally Posted by JaceTheAce

I'll be an FO on the Dash 8! The people at Piedmont really made the interview process as least stressful as possible. I'll report more later, but I've been up since 5am EST (2am PST!) for a 7am interview, so my mind is shot. I flew the sim check on 4 hours of sleep (yikes!).

Holy FREEKING cow, how in the hell did I miss this?!

CONGRATS man!

[Maximillian_Jenius]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Holy FREEKING cow, how in the hell did I miss this?!

CONGRATS man!

Guess insomnia is good for something eh?

[JaceTheAce]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Holy FREEKING cow, how in the hell did I miss this?!

CONGRATS man!

Hehe...thank you sir! This site will continue to be a great resource for my intensive training and challenges ahead!