Broke my Airplane ...

C650CPT · November 4th, 2006, 16:25

Well I did it ... broke a perfectly good jet.
After take off the other day I called for flaps up, while I was in a left hand turn. When I rolled the control wheel to what should have been neutral the airplane banked to the right ... so now I have the controll wheel cocked left at the 2 and 8 oclock position to maintain straight and level ... which is very hard for me ...

I had a flap inop light so we go through the drill and no change ... so it's a return to the airport with holding to burn down to our max landing weight. I did a 0 flap landing with a Vref of 159 ... yahoo!! Landing was uneventful and I tell the passengers to give the mechanic a few minutes to check out the problem and we'd possibly be on our way in no time at all. NOT!!! I had an assymetric flap retraction on one side, two of the three flap panels came up crooked ... it looked ugly ... but fortuantley mostly cosmetic damage to some fiberglass fairings. I guess the damage could have been worse but a 40amp current limiter blew stopping any more damage.

The manufacturer had a tech rep there in about 2 hours ... very impressive, plus the service center sent out their #1 structures guy to check things out and help us mount loaner flaps. Only lost two trips ... one to Atlanta ... oh well ... and the other a trip to ARUBA ... Now that sucks!!!!
I did get to do an NTSB notification.

Windchill · November 4th, 2006, 21:04

Glad to hear the flight concluded uneventfully for the most part ... props to the crew for bringing the plane and pax down safely ... Here, Here!

n57flyguy · November 4th, 2006, 21:24

Nice job bringer her down. Ouch, I almost feel your pain.

<----they look perfectely fine ot me.

Citationkid · November 4th, 2006, 22:15

Time to buy a newer jet

falconvalley · November 4th, 2006, 23:18

Dude that could have gone upset real fast. Glad you worked things out and came back.

lnewby · November 5th, 2006, 09:09

Way to keep it safe. Sorry you missed out on Aruba. I love it there.

H46Bubba · November 5th, 2006, 12:03

Now I know why my instructors told me never to extend or retract flap in a turn. Asymetrical flap retraction or extension. Glad to hear you got it down safe and sound and sorry you missed out on Aruba.

SteveC · November 5th, 2006, 12:53

Quote:

Originally Posted by H46Bubba

Now I know why my instructors told me never to extend or retract flap in a turn. Asymetrical flap retraction or extension.

I'm not picturing why being in a turn would be any different than straight and level?

BobDDuck · November 5th, 2006, 12:56

It's not really. I used to teach my students that too but after flying around in the RJ for a while I changed my mind. That thought process is that if you are already banked 25 degrees and then you get a split flap situation and end up banking 45 more due to that you would be at 70 degrees bank where as if you are straight and level when you dump the flaps you would only be at 45. In theory it sounds ok, but operationally it doesn't work. Not to mention in the CRJ anyways the plane pitches with flaps 8 and 20 and in a turn that pitch is minimized. Pax comfort over safety baby!

H46Bubba · November 5th, 2006, 13:37

Thats why it threw me for a loop when they said that. No matter what aircaft I've been in from turboprops on up, I've seen that the flaps have been retracted or extended while in a turn. So I do comprehend what BobDDuck is saying and logically it makes sense, but what we're really saying is that practically it doesn't make a difference

FlaZoomie · November 5th, 2006, 13:44

What kind of jet was it?

n57flyguy · November 5th, 2006, 14:49

Ce-650

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IFly85 · November 5th, 2006, 17:54

Good job on bringing her down safely

C650CPT · November 6th, 2006, 11:01

Quote:

Originally Posted by n57flyguy

Nice job bringer her down. Ouch, I almost feel your pain.

<----they look perfectely fine ot me.

Paul ... nice picture ... that is a beautiful airplane!!!

Well alls well that ends well. Just did a functional test flight ... everything is back to "normal".

n57flyguy · November 6th, 2006, 11:34

Quote:

Originally Posted by C650CPT

Paul ... nice picture ... that is a beautiful airplane!!!

Well alls well that ends well. Just did a functional test flight ... everything is back to "normal".

Sure is, thanks to you.

Great to see things are fine! Still going to Aruba?

B767Driver · November 7th, 2006, 11:17

What caused it?

C650CPT · November 7th, 2006, 12:24

Quote:

Originally Posted by B767Driver

What caused it?

A jackscrew gearbox broke that operated the inward most flap. The gearbox broke in such a way that it only affected the one half of the flap panel. The part of the gearbox that fed the flex drive going to the next jackscrew gearbox kept working thus the assymetric retraction of the next two flap panels. The "split flap" protection is only between left and right wing, so the only thing that stoped the chaos was the current limiter blowing.

Jim

November 4th, 2006, 21:04	#2
Windchill Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mid-Atlantic, KMRB Posts: 1,925	Re: Broke my Airplane ... Glad to hear the flight concluded uneventfully for the most part ... props to the crew for bringing the plane and pax down safely ... Here, Here! __________________ Ray II PPL [ASEL] *"If it can be taught--I can teach it!* -- Windchill High School Teacher Private Pilot, ASEL AOPA Air Safety Foundation www.aopa.org/asf

November 4th, 2006, 21:24	#3
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November 4th, 2006, 22:15	#4
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November 4th, 2006, 23:18	#5
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November 5th, 2006, 09:09	#6
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November 4th, 2006, 16:25	#1
C650CPT Senior Member Join Date: May 2003 Location: Home Sweet Home! Posts: 957	Broke my Airplane ... Well I did it ... broke a perfectly good jet. After take off the other day I called for flaps up, while I was in a left hand turn. When I rolled the control wheel to what should have been neutral the airplane banked to the right ... so now I have the controll wheel cocked left at the 2 and 8 oclock position to maintain straight and level ... which is very hard for me ... I had a flap inop light so we go through the drill and no change ... so it's a return to the airport with holding to burn down to our max landing weight. I did a 0 flap landing with a Vref of 159 ... yahoo!! Landing was uneventful and I tell the passengers to give the mechanic a few minutes to check out the problem and we'd possibly be on our way in no time at all. NOT!!! I had an assymetric flap retraction on one side, two of the three flap panels came up crooked ... it looked ugly ... but fortuantley mostly cosmetic damage to some fiberglass fairings. I guess the damage could have been worse but a 40amp current limiter blew stopping any more damage. The manufacturer had a tech rep there in about 2 hours ... very impressive, plus the service center sent out their #1 structures guy to check things out and help us mount loaner flaps. Only lost two trips ... one to Atlanta ... oh well ... and the other a trip to ARUBA ... Now that sucks!!!! I did get to do an NTSB notification. __________________ Fly Safe, But Don't be a Pussy!

November 5th, 2006, 12:03	#7
H46Bubba Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: CVG Posts: 4,095	Re: Broke my Airplane ... Now I know why my instructors told me never to extend or retract flap in a turn. Asymetrical flap retraction or extension. Glad to hear you got it down safe and sound and sorry you missed out on Aruba.

November 5th, 2006, 12:56	#9
BobDDuck Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2003 Location: Left Seat Posts: 5,340	Re: Broke my Airplane ... It's not really. I used to teach my students that too but after flying around in the RJ for a while I changed my mind. That thought process is that if you are already banked 25 degrees and then you get a split flap situation and end up banking 45 more due to that you would be at 70 degrees bank where as if you are straight and level when you dump the flaps you would only be at 45. In theory it sounds ok, but operationally it doesn't work. Not to mention in the CRJ anyways the plane pitches with flaps 8 and 20 and in a turn that pitch is minimized. Pax comfort over safety baby! __________________ TBJC08 The Gear Monkey The Gear Monkey Store

November 5th, 2006, 13:37	#10
H46Bubba Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: CVG Posts: 4,095	Re: Broke my Airplane ... Thats why it threw me for a loop when they said that. No matter what aircaft I've been in from turboprops on up, I've seen that the flaps have been retracted or extended while in a turn. So I do comprehend what BobDDuck is saying and logically it makes sense, but what we're really saying is that practically it doesn't make a difference

November 5th, 2006, 13:44	#11
FlaZoomie Newbie Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Florida Posts: 13	Re: Broke my Airplane ... What kind of jet was it?

November 5th, 2006, 14:49	#12
n57flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,679	Re: Broke my Airplane ... Ce-650 <----- __________________ -Paul It ain't always 65 and sunny

November 5th, 2006, 17:54	#13
IFly85 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: Live in MEM but commute to RDU Posts: 462	Re: Broke my Airplane ... Good job on bringing her down safely

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