Going Under the Hood

desertdog71 · April 26th, 2006, 21:59

Well,

I am back from my trip to Wiscosin. My Instrument training startes for real tommorow. Tim,e to knock out the 40 hours of hood time, and learn some new things. It will be nice to be able to fly IFR when I am finished. Weather delays get aggravating sometimes. My trip to Wisconsin got extended 2 days because of Low Ceilings, and Thunderstorms.

I made it back today though, had to fly the last 100 miles or so at 2000 feet to stay VFR.

Anyways, just a quick update on my times thus far.
Total Time. 79.6
Simulated INS. 3.5
Cross Country 50.3
Solo 52.9
Dual Recieved 25.5
Solo XC 41.6

This leaves me with 45.4 hours to accomplish my Instrument rating and stay on pace that my instructor and myself have set forth. I am switching to another plane as well. Same type but slightly different. Going to a newer C172, and more avionics. The C172 I have been flying is not IFR certified.

Anyways. I am excited, and I am sure this will be a very rewarding part of my training.

Captain_Bob · April 26th, 2006, 22:20

Yes it will be... Stay focused.. Have fun... and keep us posted!

Bob

meritflyer · April 26th, 2006, 22:31

Just remember to keep the blue side up

desertdog71 · April 27th, 2006, 21:33

This will be another lengthy thread of my mindless babbling, but at least a couple people enjoyed my posts about my training for PPL. Now I will go ahead and do the same for the Instrument Portion.

I will preface this by saying, since my PPL Checkride I have accumulated approx 35 hours of Solo XC. Mainly into Class C and B Airports, and using Flight Following to familiarize myself with the ATC system. When flying IFR, you will be in constant contact with ATC. This is a good step to take in my opinion if you have not had much exposure during your PPL.

Today consisted of a couple flights totalling 2.2 hours with 1.8 under the Hood.

Started with simple Standard Rate Turns to headings, the we did some climbs and descents. Rate of Climb and Airspeed were the parameters. This gets you accustomed to how the plane performs in different configurations. We then did some descents at 500FPM in a landing configuration, followed by some slow flight. We then did a couple timed 180's and 360's with the HI covered.

Second flight consisted of Tracking the butler VOR, then doing a hold. Then return to Chanute VOR, for the VOR/DME approach into Chanute. I was happy to see that after tracking inbound, doing the proceedure turn, then back inbound at 5.9 miles DME at 1600 MSL. I removed the foggles, and there was the airport below me. Not bad for the first day of Instrument training.

I don't fly again until Tuesday so I will be immersed in Instrument Books, Low Enroute Charts, approach plates, STARS etc for the next few days. I plan on taking the Instrument and CFII written late next week. So I better bust it on the studying.

Total Time 81.8
Sim/Ins 5.3

Bigey · April 30th, 2006, 18:21

Awesome to hear! You're progressing so quickly, it's really great to hear! I wish you all the best! Keep us posted, it's awesome to read and provide inspiration.

Keep it up bro, soon enough you'll be at the airlines!

desertdog71 · May 3rd, 2006, 20:14

Sorry for the delay on the update.
OK I flew two flights on Tuesday. One was a bunch of stalls, partial panel, and partial panel Unusual attitude recovery. That was 1.0 hours. It was really easier than I thought it would be. The partial panel stuff was a bit intimidating at first, but after some Unusual Attitude recoveries. I was all good. I also did the VOR/DME approach into KCNU partial panel.

Second flight was just some VOR tracking and a quick Cross country. Nothing major to report on that one.

Wednesday(today) This is a whole other story. There were several rain showers and Thunderstorms in the area today. We filed IFR and did a trip up to Salina. I can say this now, with certainty. Flying under the hood and a Simulator is a JOKE.

Flying in Actual IMC, in the clouds and near thunderstorms. That will put hair on your you know what. After about 30 minutes of solid IMC, we hit a pretty rough area. The combination of IMC and moderate turbulence had me experiencing some vestibular disorientation. I was getting a yawing effect while straight and level. Not too cool. It definately has an effect on your concentration. I am actual glad I got to experience this, so I know what to look for in the future.

If any of the more experiencedd guys have any suggestions on counter acting these effects. I would appreciate it.

Thanks

WindyCityPilot · May 4th, 2006, 09:45

Great updates! Keep it up...I'm about ready to start on my instrument rating. Cool to hear about your experiences!

n57flyguy · May 4th, 2006, 09:49

Yeah, desert dog, I love reading these posts of yours, keep it up!!!

desertdog71 · May 6th, 2006, 23:56

Friday, I only flew for an hour on Friday. the plane was scheduled most of the day. Anyways, we went out and did a bunch of Holds. Holds on different headings, some partial panel, some climbing and descending. Pretty boring stuff really, but needed.

desertdog71 · May 8th, 2006, 14:20

I am proabably going to take the Instrument and CFII writtens this week. Maybe even on Tuesday. I have to take a quick practice test again and see where I am at. I took one last week and scored 71 that was before the all weekend study session I just did. I will take the practice test and have my CFI do a mock oral to make sure I am ready. No need to delay things, I either know it or I don't.

I will keep the posts flowing for those who enjoy them or gain some insight from them.

SeanD · May 8th, 2006, 15:23

I enjoy reading your progress, please keep them coming. I have finals this week for my PPL ground school and studied all weekend so I can pass my Stage 3 exam to get endorsed to take my FAA practical written. Its good to read what I will be going through and what to expect. Thanks for keeping us updated.

BrianNC · May 8th, 2006, 16:39

Quote:

Originally Posted by SeanD

I enjoy reading your progress, please keep them coming.

Desertdog, do you have your commercial and instrument already? I though you had just started your instrument training.

desertdog71 · May 8th, 2006, 16:44

Yeah, I am on my instrument portion. I am taking the CFII written with the Instrument written, They are from the same pool pf questions. So I am going to take it while its all fresh in my mind.

SeanD · May 8th, 2006, 16:54

Real quick what is that website again where you can take sample quizes?

desertdog71 · May 8th, 2006, 16:56

We have the Gleim software at the FBO. I am not sure about any websites. That would be good information to have though. If anybody knows.

JEP · May 8th, 2006, 18:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertdog71

We have the Gleim software at the FBO. I am not sure about any websites. That would be good information to have though. If anybody knows.

sportys

google "kips written"

those are just two off hand, sure there are others.

jim

SeanD · May 8th, 2006, 19:08

www.exams4pilots.org It pretty much has everything. I just found it. Great study tool.

desertdog71 · May 10th, 2006, 00:56

Well,

I flew 2.8 today. Did a trip to Topeka and Bulington. Got about .5 actual as well. Thats always good. I did the ILS approach at Topeka. No Problems there. We then went to Burlington and I did an NDB approach.

Best part of my day was this afternoon. I passed the Instrument written test with an 87% WOO HOO!!!

meritflyer · May 10th, 2006, 01:02

Congrats man! One step closer.. Next, the little red ASA oral exam guide. Know everything in there! It was all on my IR ride 4 hour oral. Plus, its all very important anyways.

You'll rock you ex-dirty trucker!!

(got that from your profile)

BrianNC · May 10th, 2006, 01:08

Keep up the good work.

When I took my instrument oral and checkride it was really a non-event. Sounds like you've got nothing to worry about.

An interesting story about my instrument training. I happened to call this particular training outfit in Ocala/Leesburg FL and the instructor was a minister, and helped other ministers get their ratings. I teach at a Bible college, so he was interested in helping me.

Well, there happened to be a fellow from Memphis with a 182 coming down to do his instrument training so he swung by Pensacola to pick me up (that is where I lived at the time) and we did our training together. I would ride in the back when he was training and he would ride in the back when I was training. We even did our oral at the same time. The examiner would ask me a question and then ask him one.

Anyway, the deal was worked out where we would use his 182 to train and I would pay all the gas and oil for both of us while we trained. So I ended up getting my instrument rating in a 182 for just the cost of gas and oil. It only cost me a little over $1000 to get my instrument rating.

desertdog71 · May 10th, 2006, 01:29

Thanks to everyone you have been supportive and a good resource. I appreciate it. I will keep up the posts. I hope to be finished with my 40 hours Instrument by next Friday. We will see how it goes.

If anyone is interested. www.flightaware.com is a good website for tracking IFR flights. All of my IFR flights are on there. (The ones I filed) I should say. N123LG tail number. Its a cool website. The flight I did today up to Topeka even illustrated the VOR to IAF to Proceedeure turn to Final legs pretty good on the ILS 13 Approach at KTOP. I did the full proceedure without vectors, so you can kinda see what that looks like.

BrianNC · May 10th, 2006, 01:41

Quote:

Originally Posted by desertdog71

Thanks to everyone you have been supportive and a good resource. I appreciate it. I will keep up the posts. I hope to be finished with my 40 hours Instrument by next Friday. We will see how it goes.

If anyone is interested. www.flightaware.com is a good website for tracking IFR flights. All of my IFR flights are on there. (The ones I filed) I should say. N123LG tail number. Its a cool website. The flight I did today up to Topeka even illustrated the VOR to IAF to Proceedeure turn to Final legs pretty good on the ILS 13 Approach at KTOP. I did the full proceedure without vectors, so you can kinda see what that looks like.

Hey, that's pretty cool. I wasn't aware of that site.

desertdog71 · May 11th, 2006, 00:15

Flew a couple flights today some hood and some actual. Did a XC to K81 then returned to KCNU and did a VOR approach. Second flight was to KIDP, I did the ILS 35 down to minimums under the hood. You get pretty close to the runway at minimums. I actually did pretty good on the approach, no problems except I was correcting for crosswind and I started to get off center, but recovered no problem. The trick is not to chase the needles and make small corrections.

Total Time 93.6
Actual Instrument 2.4
Simulated Instrument 13.9
Approaches: 3 ILS 4 VOR and 1 NDB
Holds: 7

I am about half way through with the flying portion. We are gonna do some more cross country until the last 10 hours, then hit the approaches and holds really heavy for the last 10 hours to prepare for the checkride. Looks like somewhere around 5/20 is when I will do my ride. This is much more challenging than the Private portion. The workload gets pretty tough at times with the charts, Nav/Com and Approach plates. Using multiple VOR/ILS/ADF all at the same time. Its good to study your approaches really good before doing them. Also pre-select the radios as much as possible before arriving. That seems to work pretty good for me.

meritflyer · May 11th, 2006, 00:29

Also remember, a beer helmet frees up one hand for those radios.

RynoB · May 11th, 2006, 02:03

Quote:

Originally Posted by meritflyer

Also remember, a beer helmet frees up one hand for those radios.

No drinking on final

April 26th, 2006, 21:59	#1
desertdog71 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KIDP/KCNU Posts: 3,007	Going Under the Hood Well, I am back from my trip to Wiscosin. My Instrument training startes for real tommorow. Tim,e to knock out the 40 hours of hood time, and learn some new things. It will be nice to be able to fly IFR when I am finished. Weather delays get aggravating sometimes. My trip to Wisconsin got extended 2 days because of Low Ceilings, and Thunderstorms. I made it back today though, had to fly the last 100 miles or so at 2000 feet to stay VFR. Anyways, just a quick update on my times thus far. Total Time. 79.6 Simulated INS. 3.5 Cross Country 50.3 Solo 52.9 Dual Recieved 25.5 Solo XC 41.6 This leaves me with 45.4 hours to accomplish my Instrument rating and stay on pace that my instructor and myself have set forth. I am switching to another plane as well. Same type but slightly different. Going to a newer C172, and more avionics. The C172 I have been flying is not IFR certified. Anyways. I am excited, and I am sure this will be a very rewarding part of my training. __________________ www.flywhiteair.com http://www.myspace.com/desertdog71 Following message is for SkyCougar. Took my chances on a big jet plane, Never let them tell you that they're all the same.

April 26th, 2006, 22:20	#2
Captain_Bob Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2003 Location: DFW, based in ONT, wishing I was in Maine Posts: 3,897	Re: Going Under the Hood Yes it will be... Stay focused.. Have fun... and keep us posted! Bob __________________ My head is in the clouds and my heart is still in Maine... but my devotion and love belong to my wife and children. Pics!

April 26th, 2006, 22:31	#3
meritflyer Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winchestertonfieldville Posts: 6,736	Re: Going Under the Hood Just remember to keep the blue side up __________________ The simplest answer tends to be correct.

April 27th, 2006, 21:33	#4
desertdog71 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KIDP/KCNU Posts: 3,007	Re: Going Under the Hood This will be another lengthy thread of my mindless babbling, but at least a couple people enjoyed my posts about my training for PPL. Now I will go ahead and do the same for the Instrument Portion. I will preface this by saying, since my PPL Checkride I have accumulated approx 35 hours of Solo XC. Mainly into Class C and B Airports, and using Flight Following to familiarize myself with the ATC system. When flying IFR, you will be in constant contact with ATC. This is a good step to take in my opinion if you have not had much exposure during your PPL. Today consisted of a couple flights totalling 2.2 hours with 1.8 under the Hood. Started with simple Standard Rate Turns to headings, the we did some climbs and descents. Rate of Climb and Airspeed were the parameters. This gets you accustomed to how the plane performs in different configurations. We then did some descents at 500FPM in a landing configuration, followed by some slow flight. We then did a couple timed 180's and 360's with the HI covered. Second flight consisted of Tracking the butler VOR, then doing a hold. Then return to Chanute VOR, for the VOR/DME approach into Chanute. I was happy to see that after tracking inbound, doing the proceedure turn, then back inbound at 5.9 miles DME at 1600 MSL. I removed the foggles, and there was the airport below me. Not bad for the first day of Instrument training. I don't fly again until Tuesday so I will be immersed in Instrument Books, Low Enroute Charts, approach plates, STARS etc for the next few days. I plan on taking the Instrument and CFII written late next week. So I better bust it on the studying. Total Time 81.8 Sim/Ins 5.3 __________________ www.flywhiteair.com http://www.myspace.com/desertdog71 Following message is for SkyCougar. Took my chances on a big jet plane, Never let them tell you that they're all the same.

April 30th, 2006, 18:21	#5
Bigey Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2005 Location: Socal Posts: 2,777	Re: Going Under the Hood Awesome to hear! You're progressing so quickly, it's really great to hear! I wish you all the best! Keep us posted, it's awesome to read and provide inspiration. Keep it up bro, soon enough you'll be at the airlines! __________________ 6/30 - PUBNAT4 7/31 - PUBNAT5 8/29 - PUBNAT6 8/27 - AT-SAT Authorized 9/08 - AT-SAT Scheduled 9/24 - AT-SAT (97%)

May 3rd, 2006, 20:14	#6
desertdog71 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KIDP/KCNU Posts: 3,007	Re: Going Under the Hood Sorry for the delay on the update. OK I flew two flights on Tuesday. One was a bunch of stalls, partial panel, and partial panel Unusual attitude recovery. That was 1.0 hours. It was really easier than I thought it would be. The partial panel stuff was a bit intimidating at first, but after some Unusual Attitude recoveries. I was all good. I also did the VOR/DME approach into KCNU partial panel. Second flight was just some VOR tracking and a quick Cross country. Nothing major to report on that one. Wednesday(today) This is a whole other story. There were several rain showers and Thunderstorms in the area today. We filed IFR and did a trip up to Salina. I can say this now, with certainty. Flying under the hood and a Simulator is a JOKE. Flying in Actual IMC, in the clouds and near thunderstorms. That will put hair on your you know what. After about 30 minutes of solid IMC, we hit a pretty rough area. The combination of IMC and moderate turbulence had me experiencing some vestibular disorientation. I was getting a yawing effect while straight and level. Not too cool. It definately has an effect on your concentration. I am actual glad I got to experience this, so I know what to look for in the future. If any of the more experiencedd guys have any suggestions on counter acting these effects. I would appreciate it. Thanks __________________ www.flywhiteair.com http://www.myspace.com/desertdog71 Following message is for SkyCougar. Took my chances on a big jet plane, Never let them tell you that they're all the same.

May 4th, 2006, 09:45	#7
WindyCityPilot Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 762	Re: Going Under the Hood Great updates! Keep it up...I'm about ready to start on my instrument rating. Cool to hear about your experiences!

May 4th, 2006, 09:49	#8
n57flyguy Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: Pennsylvania Posts: 3,769	Re: Going Under the Hood Yeah, desert dog, I love reading these posts of yours, keep it up!!! __________________ -Paul It ain't always 65 and sunny

May 6th, 2006, 23:56	#9
desertdog71 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KIDP/KCNU Posts: 3,007	Re: Going Under the Hood Friday, I only flew for an hour on Friday. the plane was scheduled most of the day. Anyways, we went out and did a bunch of Holds. Holds on different headings, some partial panel, some climbing and descending. Pretty boring stuff really, but needed. __________________ www.flywhiteair.com http://www.myspace.com/desertdog71 Following message is for SkyCougar. Took my chances on a big jet plane, Never let them tell you that they're all the same.

May 8th, 2006, 14:20	#10
desertdog71 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KIDP/KCNU Posts: 3,007	Re: Going Under the Hood I am proabably going to take the Instrument and CFII writtens this week. Maybe even on Tuesday. I have to take a quick practice test again and see where I am at. I took one last week and scored 71 that was before the all weekend study session I just did. I will take the practice test and have my CFI do a mock oral to make sure I am ready. No need to delay things, I either know it or I don't. I will keep the posts flowing for those who enjoy them or gain some insight from them. __________________ www.flywhiteair.com http://www.myspace.com/desertdog71 Following message is for SkyCougar. Took my chances on a big jet plane, Never let them tell you that they're all the same.

May 8th, 2006, 15:23	#11
SeanD Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KLAS Posts: 3,557	Re: Going Under the Hood I enjoy reading your progress, please keep them coming. I have finals this week for my PPL ground school and studied all weekend so I can pass my Stage 3 exam to get endorsed to take my FAA practical written. Its good to read what I will be going through and what to expect. Thanks for keeping us updated. __________________ JoBama 08

May 8th, 2006, 16:44	#13
desertdog71 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KIDP/KCNU Posts: 3,007	Re: Going Under the Hood Yeah, I am on my instrument portion. I am taking the CFII written with the Instrument written, They are from the same pool pf questions. So I am going to take it while its all fresh in my mind. __________________ www.flywhiteair.com http://www.myspace.com/desertdog71 Following message is for SkyCougar. Took my chances on a big jet plane, Never let them tell you that they're all the same.

May 8th, 2006, 16:54	#14
SeanD Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KLAS Posts: 3,557	Re: Going Under the Hood Real quick what is that website again where you can take sample quizes? __________________ JoBama 08

May 8th, 2006, 16:56	#15
desertdog71 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KIDP/KCNU Posts: 3,007	Re: Going Under the Hood We have the Gleim software at the FBO. I am not sure about any websites. That would be good information to have though. If anybody knows. __________________ www.flywhiteair.com http://www.myspace.com/desertdog71 Following message is for SkyCougar. Took my chances on a big jet plane, Never let them tell you that they're all the same.

May 8th, 2006, 19:08	#17
SeanD Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KLAS Posts: 3,557	Re: Going Under the Hood www.exams4pilots.org It pretty much has everything. I just found it. Great study tool. __________________ JoBama 08

May 10th, 2006, 00:56	#18
desertdog71 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KIDP/KCNU Posts: 3,007	Re: Going Under the Hood Well, I flew 2.8 today. Did a trip to Topeka and Bulington. Got about .5 actual as well. Thats always good. I did the ILS approach at Topeka. No Problems there. We then went to Burlington and I did an NDB approach. Best part of my day was this afternoon. I passed the Instrument written test with an 87% WOO HOO!!! __________________ www.flywhiteair.com http://www.myspace.com/desertdog71 Following message is for SkyCougar. Took my chances on a big jet plane, Never let them tell you that they're all the same.

May 10th, 2006, 01:02	#19
meritflyer Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winchestertonfieldville Posts: 6,736	Re: Going Under the Hood Congrats man! One step closer.. Next, the little red ASA oral exam guide. Know everything in there! It was all on my IR ride 4 hour oral. Plus, its all very important anyways. You'll rock you ex-dirty trucker!! (got that from your profile) __________________ The simplest answer tends to be correct.

May 10th, 2006, 01:08	#20
BrianNC Senior Member Join Date: May 2005 Location: Charlotte, NC Posts: 817	Re: Going Under the Hood Keep up the good work. When I took my instrument oral and checkride it was really a non-event. Sounds like you've got nothing to worry about. An interesting story about my instrument training. I happened to call this particular training outfit in Ocala/Leesburg FL and the instructor was a minister, and helped other ministers get their ratings. I teach at a Bible college, so he was interested in helping me. Well, there happened to be a fellow from Memphis with a 182 coming down to do his instrument training so he swung by Pensacola to pick me up (that is where I lived at the time) and we did our training together. I would ride in the back when he was training and he would ride in the back when I was training. We even did our oral at the same time. The examiner would ask me a question and then ask him one. Anyway, the deal was worked out where we would use his 182 to train and I would pay all the gas and oil for both of us while we trained. So I ended up getting my instrument rating in a 182 for just the cost of gas and oil. It only cost me a little over $1000 to get my instrument rating. __________________ BrianNC

May 10th, 2006, 01:29	#21
desertdog71 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KIDP/KCNU Posts: 3,007	Re: Going Under the Hood Thanks to everyone you have been supportive and a good resource. I appreciate it. I will keep up the posts. I hope to be finished with my 40 hours Instrument by next Friday. We will see how it goes. If anyone is interested. www.flightaware.com is a good website for tracking IFR flights. All of my IFR flights are on there. (The ones I filed) I should say. N123LG tail number. Its a cool website. The flight I did today up to Topeka even illustrated the VOR to IAF to Proceedeure turn to Final legs pretty good on the ILS 13 Approach at KTOP. I did the full proceedure without vectors, so you can kinda see what that looks like. __________________ www.flywhiteair.com http://www.myspace.com/desertdog71 Following message is for SkyCougar. Took my chances on a big jet plane, Never let them tell you that they're all the same.

May 11th, 2006, 00:15	#23
desertdog71 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2006 Location: KIDP/KCNU Posts: 3,007	Re: Going Under the Hood Flew a couple flights today some hood and some actual. Did a XC to K81 then returned to KCNU and did a VOR approach. Second flight was to KIDP, I did the ILS 35 down to minimums under the hood. You get pretty close to the runway at minimums. I actually did pretty good on the approach, no problems except I was correcting for crosswind and I started to get off center, but recovered no problem. The trick is not to chase the needles and make small corrections. Total Time 93.6 Actual Instrument 2.4 Simulated Instrument 13.9 Approaches: 3 ILS 4 VOR and 1 NDB Holds: 7 I am about half way through with the flying portion. We are gonna do some more cross country until the last 10 hours, then hit the approaches and holds really heavy for the last 10 hours to prepare for the checkride. Looks like somewhere around 5/20 is when I will do my ride. This is much more challenging than the Private portion. The workload gets pretty tough at times with the charts, Nav/Com and Approach plates. Using multiple VOR/ILS/ADF all at the same time. Its good to study your approaches really good before doing them. Also pre-select the radios as much as possible before arriving. That seems to work pretty good for me. __________________ www.flywhiteair.com http://www.myspace.com/desertdog71 Following message is for SkyCougar. Took my chances on a big jet plane, Never let them tell you that they're all the same.

May 11th, 2006, 00:29	#24
meritflyer Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2005 Location: Winchestertonfieldville Posts: 6,736	Re: Going Under the Hood Also remember, a beer helmet frees up one hand for those radios. __________________ The simplest answer tends to be correct.

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