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March 21st, 2006, 23:15
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 |  Sunday - 8 hours of CRM stuff. Lots of team building exercises, a look back at some accidents and how the break down of CRM was a major factor, and how we can avoid doing those same things in the future. Monday - Review of adverse weather conditions, jet upset techniques (aka how to get the CRJ back upright when you fail in the barrel roll) and hand to hand combat techniques. Yeah, I know FOs and Capts are locked behind the door during flight, but the theory is we might be deadheading or commuting when the terrorist or drunk and disorderly passenger rear their ugly heads. Needless to say, I was SORE this morning..... Tuesday - Finally getting into systems training. Talked about the flight displays, different modes on the EICAS pages, different modes of the AP and the FD, and a general overview of the aircraft itself (doors, flight control surfaces, dimensions, etc). Stan, I'm jealous. We don't get our uniforms until after the checkride, which is coming up fast. Hard to believe my oral is only about two weeks away.....
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March 21st, 2006, 23:43
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   | So Steve & Stan how easy/hard is it to learn the FMS and systemsof the CRJ? I would never do the ATP CRJ system class. But they claim to give you an edge up in training. Would you say that systems training is easy to pick up from being a CFI to being a F/O without attending a class like the CRJ transition course? |
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March 21st, 2006, 23:49
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As for the training course I have heard that some say good and others say don't waste your money. When you get hired, the airline will train you to their standards.
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March 21st, 2006, 23:52
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| "As for the training course I have heard that some say good and others say don't waste your money." The real question is, if it gets you hired six months earlier, is it worth the money..... |
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March 22nd, 2006, 00:01
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Stan is on the CRJ-7hunny.  Thanks for playing though. You're lovely departing gift of Moon Pies is by the back door.  Max: The FMS isn't hard in it's application. It's a tad cumbersome at first just learing what all the buttons do and in what order to press them to get the desired effect (i.e., to enter which part of your flight plan you want to enter). As for getting early training ? Well...can't hurt. Might be a tad expensive, but remember - if you go the airline route, you'll have to do the training all over again from scratch (but, you knew that). That said, I haven't met any ATP career track folks up here yet (I'm sure they're here though, just not in my class, the one before me or the one that just arrived). Some ERAU, a lot of DCA, NDU..... and a TON of plain ol' FBO guys like myself.
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March 22nd, 2006, 00:07
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March 22nd, 2006, 11:41
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| You guys are both doing the CRJ CBTs right? Have you got to the guy talking about moving the "leeever to the detaaaaant"? I normally would just turn of the audio and read the slides myself as I could go through them faster but when ever the started talking about the throttle quadrant I would turn the audio back on. As far as taking notes? I did for the first chapter but after that I stopped. A few guys in my class took notes all the way through, but I would say both groups did just about as well. It all depends on how you learn. |
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March 23rd, 2006, 00:13
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| Wow! Stan I am so excited for you. It makes me want to fly for an airline. Of course then I think abotu what you will be paid for the next couple of years and all it has taken to get you here... Well, in any case, I am so excited and I don't mean this in a brokeback way but I am proud of you too. |
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March 23rd, 2006, 19:13
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Max, as far as the $6K thing at ATP, personally it would have been a waste of money for me. I'm a little overwhelmed at times, but it's nothing a little extra studying and determination hasn't overcome so far. Then again, we do start electrical systems tomorrow, which has been my weak point no matter what airplane I've flown. Like Stan said, the FMS can be a bit cumbersome, but one you learn how to navigate the bazillion menus, it's not that hard. Just remember to copy your flight plan and write down the zero fuel weight. I've heard sim instructors LOVE giving you FMS failures at the most inappropriate times. Having the flight plan copied (in case you get a re-route followed by "Nevermind, go back to the original clearance") or "Your FMS just failed. Are you gonna be overweight for landing or not?" helps out. The Collins FMS has a lot in common with the Garmin 1000, and having glass time actually does help in being able to read the PFD. I'd say it might be beneficial (and CHEAPER) to get some time in a DA-40 or 172 with the G-1000. I'm not saying go out and spend thousands on 100s of hours. About 10-20 would put you in a very good situation. As far as taking notes? I did for the first chapter but after that I stopped. A few guys in my class took notes all the way through, but I would say both groups did just about as well. It all depends on how you learn.[/quote]
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March 23rd, 2006, 23:48
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| Day 13 Not much difference from Day 12 except that the lecture covered the APU, Hydraulics & the Fuel System. We had spent the night before reading the chapters in Operating Manual Vol. 2, so it was more of a review/saturation of information. Completed two more CBT's and another round of Cockpit Systems Integration (CSI). REALLY like the guy that is teaching CSI this week. Very enthusiastic and REALLY knows this aircraft. Keeps the session moving and intersting. Ironically, he is also the individual that will be doing my oral exam. He'll be very thourough, yet also encouraging. I'm actually looking forward to taking the exam.....but, I'm sure that'll change next week as it gets closer. Day 14 Flight Controls & Landing Gear were todays topics. Our instructor spent a goodly amount of time on the gear before we covered flight controls. Validated a little information and answered a few biting questions. Very intersting!! Completed CBTs on Pneumatics, Ice Protection & started another on Flight Instruments. I'll finish that up tomorrow and that'll leave me with about 3 to do. The day finished with more FMS training wherein our instructor stepped up the pace with flight plans from JFK to ORD with various departure/climb procedures, transitions and arrival procedures. No sooner did we have that down, he instructed us to clear it out, and load a Flight Plan from TUL to DFW. He made it as realistic as possible by throwing in an anundry of course changes, and eventually a course reversal back to TUL where we programmed in and "flew" the ILS approach into 18 (???...can't remember). After class, four of us stayed and covered systems, systems, systems asking "what does this do when (such and such) happens?" "What must happen before you select this switch?"... and so on. Very informative! I'll go ahead and tell you what we're doing tomorrow too: Day 15 Emergency procedures. Tomorrow is going to be FUN! We get to put out a fire, put on the PBE (Personal Breathing Equipment), open doors, open an escape hatch (mock up)...that kind of thing. We'll finish the day with a lecture on the Electrical system. THEN.....it's back to the hotel for a nap, shower and to the airport to pick up my wife and son!!! If anything, the past three weeks has been VERY tough being away from them. I missed my wife's birthday and my son went from walking to running. He was 14 months when I left and he's now 15 months and starting to say words. Welcome to the airlines. Tomorrow will be the best day of this adventure so far!! More next week! R2F
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March 24th, 2006, 07:20
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March 24th, 2006, 08:04
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March 24th, 2006, 08:28
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| He said "oral exam" heh heh eh heh
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March 24th, 2006, 09:02
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March 24th, 2006, 09:46
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Having previous experience with a Garmin (i.e. 430) is huge when it comes to learning the FMS. I picked it up pretty quickly because of working with a 430 when I was instructing at ATP. I am sure BobDDuck, capt. bob and the rest will agree.
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March 24th, 2006, 12:33
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| "He said "oral exam" heh heh eh heh" So, I got this binder that has my UPS oral exam guide in it. They were nice enough at UPS to take the whole systems manual and water it down to 45 pages and call it the oral exam guide. So, I write in big black ink my name and oral exam guide on the outside lest I lose it. So, every kid at the Y is asking me whats in the binder and what I'm studying for (I read while I'm on the treadmill). I hold the binder up and explain it to them but you should see the wide eyes, and then, little snickers. I should know better cause these are the same kids that teach me colorful new words... I don't think the term oral exam is used much anymore in this day and age of computers. |
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March 24th, 2006, 17:39
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| Really hit me hardest when a female pilots was describing her training experience and discussing a certain training captain and said, "He gave me a great oral." We all hurt ourselves laughing
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March 26th, 2006, 23:28
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| Wed - finally started FMS class, followed by brakes and landing gear, and hydraulics. Thurs - More FMS (we get 2 hours a day on this now with the computer simulator), Finished up brakes and anti-skid, started on comms. Fri - More FMS and the dreaded electrical system. Wanna get confused on systems? Start throwing in scenarios where you have to tie DC buses together, look up which TRU powers which bus, throw in an AC generator failure on IDG 1, so you have to tie the ESS BUS to IDG 2, then figure out if the UTIL BUSes will go off line if you deploy the flaps. Sun - no class today, but I spent three hours at the training center working on limitations, memory items, flows in the CPT, profiles in the CPT, and studying a powerpoint on the walkaround for the airplane. Oh, and we stumbled across another Flight Safety program that walks you through all the checklists and explains what to do. Then it will let you go through it again without the prompts. Pretty cool, and I found it VERY helpful studying some of the captain flows, which we don't have to know cold, but we do have to "be familiar with them." Tomorrow is fuel and fire protection and maybe a trip to the mx hangar to play with doors and the O2 masks.
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March 27th, 2006, 03:34
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March 27th, 2006, 09:43
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| Whatching this thread does nothing but get me fired up about flying. Thanks for posting all this guys.
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March 27th, 2006, 23:42
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Yeah, we did fuel today. And compared to fuel, electric is pretty damn basic. Definately not like the simple fuel system in the Nole....
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March 28th, 2006, 13:39
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| What all the electric and ejector and gravity pumps confusing you? Start throwing the fuel imbalance and check valves in there (and an APU running from just the right side) and it can get mighty interesting. |
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March 28th, 2006, 19:25
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| Well, the fuel imbalance SHOULD take care of itself with the whole motive flow thing, but it looks like ye ole xfer/apu pump failed since you're talking about the grav feed running the APU off the right fuel system. Then again, I might be totally out of my league. Now, throw in the check valves and it does get pretty interesting.  So, for the official recap: Mon - fuel systems, more FMS training, aircraft doors, and we actually got to go to the hangar and see a real airplane, something I haven't done in almost a month now. Had us pop all the doors, practice doing the FO walkaround, sit in the right seat and practice donning the O2 mask and generally get in the mx guys' way. Tues - more FMS (this time it was loading approaches, VNAV advisory stuff and secondary flight plans), lighting systems, APU and powerplant. Tonight it's back over to the training center with me to run more checklists, flows, callouts and profiles with my sim partner. We've got our memory items, limitations and systems test on Tues. After that, we should know our schedules for the CPTs, oral, sim and checkride.
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