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Old February 20th, 2006, 21:09   #1
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I wish I had brought my camera today because I went to training today at SFO for United. Now I’m qualified to wing walk on every single aircraft we fly…not anywhere close to as exciting as getting hired, but still pretty cool…
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Old February 20th, 2006, 21:50   #2
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I thought you ment you could walk ON the wings, like in an airshow.

Anywho, enjoy the ramp. Push qualed is even better. Then you are inside the tug while your walkers are outside.
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Is holding up a wand and pointing the 757 to a gate different than holding up a wand and point a 737 to its gate?

I remember when Ted started, they said they were going to eliminate wing walkers due to it being an excessive cost they didn't need. Well about a week after the launch of Ted, two of the planes were on the push at the same time from side by side gates and boom, they clipped wings knocking the winglets off of both of their 320s. They ended up having to get the pax off in the middle of the taxiways and from the ramp all you could see from the concourse was flashes going off from all of the pictures. I guess the FAA didn't want the planes moved until everything was taken care of. Pretty sad sight! From then on, they used wing walkers.
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Is holding up a wand and pointing the 757 to a gate different than holding up a wand and point a 737 to its gate?
Ah, yes? They have different height and different clearance requirements.

Wing walking training is way underestimated. It's not easy to see if you are going to clear a baggage cart, for example.
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Blah, wing walking is nothing! Try parking 5 helicopters in a cramped hangar! The only way I can describe it is playing chess while solving a jigsaw puzzle at the same time. It's times like those it pays to be the brake rider.
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Blah, wing walking is nothing! Try parking 5 helicopters in a cramped hangar!

Better yet, try it on a ship. Not only is the hanger small, it keeps moving.
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Ah, yes? They have different height and different clearance requirements.

Wing walking training is way underestimated. It's not easy to see if you are going to clear a baggage cart, for example.
Ummm not really, there is a (usually) white line (or marked cone locations) that defines the "box" that must be clear for a plane to taxi in. If there is crap in it the plane doesn't go in it (in theory).

The hardest part is 1 wand up, is clear and 2 in a "X" is not clear.

Heck I "walked" the first plane in on my first day on the job and was doing pushes with a trainer in the middle and was signed to push before the last flight which I did solo.
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Better yet, try it on a ship. Not only is the hanger small, it keeps moving.
I've heard of those Navy guys coming rediculously close to the edges of ships while towing, those guys could turn an aircraft on a dime.
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The closest wingtip is with Doug' beloved -90 and -88. Those wingstips come the closet to bagcarts with entering the gate. DC-9 werent quite as bad due to the fact that the length of the wing is smaller
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Blah, wing walking is nothing! Try parking 5 helicopters in a cramped hangar!

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Better yet, try it on a ship. Not only is the hanger small, it keeps moving.
You got that right, USMC. Pics from my first deployment on the mighty Bataan:

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Childsplay! Those blades are folded!
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Look at all that space ya'll had to work with. Our airdales had to put 2 SH-60's on a FFG.
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Ummm not really, there is a (usually) white line (or marked cone locations) that defines the "box" that must be clear for a plane to taxi in. If there is crap in it the plane doesn't go in it (in theory).

The hardest part is 1 wand up, is clear and 2 in a "X" is not clear.

Heck I "walked" the first plane in on my first day on the job and was doing pushes with a trainer in the middle and was signed to push before the last flight which I did solo.
Shows how much you know. Did you ever have to be a "commuter plane" wing walker?

Ever have a bad wing walker walk your plane in to another? I did.
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I wish I had brought my camera today because I went to training today at SFO for United. Now I’m qualified to wing walk on every single aircraft we fly…not anywhere close to as exciting as getting hired, but still pretty cool…
Congrats dude! Next step is get in the tug & move the aircraft around...
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I've heard of those Navy guys coming rediculously close to the edges of ships while towing, those guys could turn an aircraft on a dime.
& thensome! I remember stuffing the hangar in Guam with aircraft before a typhoon, in addition to wing walkers we had people on the aircraft to make sure we didn't bump other aircraft.

When I was backing the aircraft up I was sweating because the aircraft were so close....
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Look at all that space ya'll had to work with. Our airdales had to put 2 SH-60's on a FFG.
Haha, I didn't have to do it. I wasn't an airdale. My job consisted of shooting down things that flew (hence, avatar).

My condolences for being stationed on a "Fig".
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Former DS (got out as an FC1), and we got to pull into all the cool ports...Dubai; Doha, Qatar; Aden, Yemen; Djibouti City, Djibouti (just N of Somalia), and others I don't even want to remember. Yes, I'm sure y'all pulled into some of those ports, just showing where we spent lots of quality time. The cool part of a Forever F'ing Gone is you know everybody by first name...which could be good and could be bad.

Ahhh, the good memories. Thank God I'm flying cargo now!!!!
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My first job was as a ramper at ATA. Man, I'll tell you... at 18 yrs old it was pretty sweet to go to work every day and stand next to a B727 or B757 while it was spooling up. Even better was working the headset during the B757 push, standing next to the nose wheel on the headset saying "clear on two Captain." Got to push a B727 once too... wasn't pretty, but I did it. Those were definitely good times for a not-yet student pilot.

Congrats! It is fun and exciting. Gets better from here.
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wow that sounds a great, that was my perfect dream job to fly for ATA, but things are looking to good for them, there leaving sfo pretty soon for oak, so they can have more connecting flights and such, its guna b sad not to see those good ol' AmTrans not at sfo....
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& thensome! I remember stuffing the hangar in Guam with aircraft before a typhoon, in addition to wing walkers we had people on the aircraft to make sure we didn't bump other aircraft.

When I was backing the aircraft up I was sweating because the aircraft were so close....
hehe, don't get me started on typhoon hangaring
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question:

how do you push around the helo's on skids???

(im sure theres something easier than i am thinking of)
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Ground Handling Trucks

Never done it myself, but apparently the "hooahs" do it all the time, this is an excerpt from an Army Technical Manual. http://www.tpub.com/content/ohhelico.../072716_38.htm
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