Goodbye Career (long)

[av8trxx]

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Well, I watched all my hard work get flushed down the tubes yesterday..... In the meantime, here I sit, avoiding phone calls from my family because they think I had my flight last night and want to see how it went. I just don't have the heart to tell them that I am indeed, a screw-up.

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ESF- Why didn't you just buy a one way ticket for Petes sake??? While it wouldn't have been cheap at least it would have saved you this "black mark" on your resume and you could have jumped ship in 6 months with jet time.

[EatSleepFly]

I tried. It was $500...couldn't afford it!

[av8trxx]

Ya know....this will probably turn out to be a blessing in disguise.

[pilotots]

Sorry to hear the bad news. I must say you moved up in the industry faster then anybody else I know, so look at this as a speed bump, I would be very surprised if by next year at this time your not flying left seat on something with a few jets behind it. Your story does reconfirm for me that the airlines are a "silly" place to be. We'll have to catch up sometime, next time I know I'm going to be in Ohio I'll let you know.

Best of luck.

[EatSleepFly]

Yeah, definitely man. I'll be around here until spring probably at least. Going back to my old gig flying the King Air I think, until I find something else.

Hows your new job going?

[kellwolf]

If I remember correctly, you've got a descent chunk of hours with some turbine mixed in, right? Have you applied at XJT yet? That might be a very viable option seeing as they're interviewing about every other day at this point.

[pilotots]

So far so good on the new job. It's taking some time to get accustomed to the systems and the crew procedures, but I'm loving it. The PC12 is a fun plane to fly and we're taking it into some cool places.
Over all I'd say the King Air isn't a bad backup, hey you've got one more prop then I do.

[tonyw]

Hey, man.

Sorry to hear the bad news. All I can do is wish you well and say, don't give up.

[fender_jag]

I definitely think that everything happens for a reason. You'll get back on your feet and get picked up by another 121 outfit. Just don't give up!

[Bandit_Driver]

ESF:

Sorry to hear about the bad break. That definately sucks. I can't beleive the company would do that to someone. After all they dumped a lot $$$ and time into your training. A similar thing happend to me and company did chew me out then made me a must ride on the next flight. They took the attitude of your new and haven't learned the game yet.

Just and FYI for the future. If you can't get there it is always better to call in sick than tell them you can't commute in. Then you can jumpseat in later in the day or the next day and tell them you are feeling better and want to pick up the trip on day 2 or 3. Just don't non-rev on your own carrier then can double check to see if you got bumped...

I'm sure you will be back in the saddle again pretty soon. The industry is slowly coming around and people are still hiring. Just be honest in the interviews if they asked what happened. Don't volunteer anything though.

Good luck

[wheelsup]

Ok so let me recap:

By age 22 you:

-Went through all the ratings up to CFII
-Found 2 CFI gigs
-Flew a Bonanza around while someone paid you
-Flew a KingAir as PIC/SIC (not sure which doesn't matter)
-Went through some college
-Got hired on at a regional

And you wanna give up now?

~wheelsup

[Silverhawk]

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Ok so let me recap:

By age 22 you:

-Went through all the ratings up to CFII
-Found 2 CFI gigs
-Flew a Bonanza around while someone paid you
-Flew a KingAir as PIC/SIC (not sure which doesn't matter)
-Went through some college
-Got hired on at a regional

And you wanna give up now?

~wheelsup


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To me sounds as if you already know how to triumph over adversity and reach your goals despite what others may think or say... now it's just on a little bit bigger scale ... I think you had even said this is the first really big bump in the road thus far....

take a moment and recompose ya' self and get back up ... there are alot of us lil' guys following in your path who look up to you and are encourgaged by your success and learn from your experience.. both positive and negative !!

Go get em' man !!

[Coney]

Hey, man. I sent you a PM. Chin up!

[aviategw]

Man, I don't 'know' you at all, but from the history on this site, I don't think you have any quit in you.

I look forward to the post that I know I'm going to see from you in the not too distant future that tells us about your success with your next job.

Never quit.

[Kristie]

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Man, I don't 'know' you at all, but from the history on this site, I don't think you have any quit in you.

I look forward to the post that I know I'm going to see from you in the not too distant future that tells us about your success with your next job.

Never quit.

[/ QUOTE ]that's what I think too... there's just no "Quit" in your dictionary bro! just gotta make sure you never allow "Quit" or "Can't" to be written in there! you've come too far to switch directions...bumps in the road always occur and so, you learn from them and move on to the next hurdle!keep on keeping on!

get those resumes out there and let us know what happens!

btw.. did you hand your manuals in already? and if so, what did the chief training pilot tell you (if it's ok to ask that?)?

[CaptChris]

ESF---Sorry to hear man... best of luck to you as well. I can't offer much help to you, but I can say that about a month ago I was into CAK and stopped at an FBO called Castle Aviation. They are a cargo operation, and were looking to hire for a Sabb-340. You might want to at least look them up on the net... in the meantime I will look for the Chief Pilot's contact info to see if I can help you out. Take care man.

Chris

[Kingairer]

Dude, Such a blessing in disguise. There is a reason AA is the skynazi's and AE hitlers youth. Now you can move on to somewhere else and not get stuck in the quick sand. Be honest in your next interview and your good to go. Lots are hiring now too. Xjet, Pinnacle, CHQ, Corporate, TSA, PDT, etc etc so get out there.

[EatSleepFly]

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and if so, what did the chief training pilot tell you (if it's ok to ask that?)?


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Yep, turned in all my manuals yesteday. Actually, the ATR program manager (who was the one I had to deal with in DFW) was pretty cool about it. He said whenever I get another job interview somewhere else, to call him and he'd "see what he can do" for me. He even gave me his home and cell numbers.

Thanks for the encouragement everyone, it helps, believe me. Right now I plan on going back to my old gig until I can find something better and to keep from having a gap in employment. Of course, I'll keep you all updated.

[Doug Taylor]

ESF, believe me, you're going to look back at this month sometime down the road and laugh your head off. If you need a letter of recc, lemme know. Worked for Alchemy!

[Cosmo1999]

Hey man people have had much worse blemishes on their record such as DUI, Felonies, Accidents/Incidents, etc. Its all about how you talk about it in the interview. If you can truly show what you have learned and how you have grown then you will land back on your feet. I think this is a good eye opener to the dangers of commuting during your first year. I have commuted since I started flying for Mesa in Feb 04 and have had pretty good luck for the most part. Lately however I have been cutting things really close. I currently commute from SLC to the east coast. There is a direct flight on Delta that leaves around 4:30pm. The last month or so it has had about 30-60 open seats on it so I have just been relying on that one flight to get me to work the night before each week. I dont even have a backup flight at all. We have a commuter policy that can be used once a year however I have to use one of our codeshare partners to use it. All it takes is the jumpseat being reserved, typical east coast delays or maintenance and im totally screwed. I think reading this threat has reminded me of the importance of always having a backup plan and the caution which must be used when commuting. I also think everyone here can learn a good lesson of the dangers of offline commuting. All it takes is one jumpseater to bump you off. A lot of airlines charge their employees to non rev and so they prefer to use the jumpseat. I still think commuting is much better than moving somewhere where I dont want to live and also getting displced since it happens a lot at a regional. Its just best to be extra cautious the first year. Good luck to ESF im sure you will land yourself at a regional soon enough.

[JayAre]

ESF
Wern't you get assinged the ATR?
If so Mountain Air in NC are starting to use them here is there link!
http://www.mtaircargo.com
Keep you head up I was just reading a gouge about AE poor kid made it all through the interview than was told at the very end that AE just quit hiring

[EatSleepFly]

Oh, trust me...I already applied at MAC, and every other ATR operator out there (except Cape Air, cause I have no interest in living in Guam).


And thanks, Doug...I might take you up on that!

[Hootie]

We have never talked man but I have seen you progress on these on these forums over the last couple of years. You have really made some good moves in a short time. This will be no different, except that you're going to be that much tougher next time shlt gets tossed your way. Good luck man and if I ever meet you I'll buy ya a cold one.

[MikeD]

This looks to be the offender...

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November 10, 2004

RE: AA FURLOUGHS

The recent announcement of additional AA pilot furloughs next year has generated several questions concerning the impact on Eagle pilots. Following are the facts as we know them:

At the present time, AA pilots that were furloughed during the summer of 2003 and October 2004 are being processed in accordance with Letter 3 for CJ captain positions. We anticipate that there will be approximately 210 AA furloughed pilots occupying Eagle jet captain positions from these two rounds of furloughs. The 210 pilots represent a 25 percent historical acceptance rate for Eagle flow-back positions, which means the actual number of flowbacks could be slightly higher or lower depending on the actual acceptance rate.

AA has announced additional pilot furloughs in 2005; -- 125 in January and up to an additional 325 by summer. Again, based on an expected 25 percentage acceptance rate for flow back positions, we anticipate approximately 112 more flow back pilots from AA. After the training is completed on the 112 pilots, we will have approximately 477 furloughed AA pilots occupying CJ captain positions at Eagle.

A frequently asked question is, "What is the maximum number of positions available for flow-back consideration?" The number of jet captain positions available for AA flow back pilots is equal to the total number of Eagle jet captains that have claimed flow-through status under the provisions of Letter 3.

The talk of additional pilot furloughs at AA is not good news for either the affected AA pilots who are losing their current positions, or for Eagle pilots who are affected by jet captain displacements or diminished captain upgrade opportunities. In fact the entire airline industry is short on good news. I continue to believe we’ll get through these difficult times because AA and AE management and labor are committed to taking the necessary steps to return AMR to profitability. In the mean time, please remain focused on the primary objective of providing the safest operation possible in a professional manner.

Regards,

Ed Criner
VP Flight Ops

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[woodreau]

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This looks to be the offender...

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November 10, 2004

RE: AA FURLOUGHS

The recent announcement of additional AA pilot furloughs next year has generated several questions concerning the impact on Eagle pilots. Following are the facts as we know them:

At the present time, AA pilots that were furloughed during the summer of 2003 and October 2004 are being processed in accordance with Letter 3 for CJ captain positions. We anticipate that there will be approximately 210 AA furloughed pilots occupying Eagle jet captain positions from these two rounds of furloughs. The 210 pilots represent a 25 percent historical acceptance rate for Eagle flow-back positions, which means the actual number of flowbacks could be slightly higher or lower depending on the actual acceptance rate.

AA has announced additional pilot furloughs in 2005; -- 125 in January and up to an additional 325 by summer. Again, based on an expected 25 percentage acceptance rate for flow back positions, we anticipate approximately 112 more flow back pilots from AA. After the training is completed on the 112 pilots, we will have approximately 477 furloughed AA pilots occupying CJ captain positions at Eagle.

A frequently asked question is, "What is the maximum number of positions available for flow-back consideration?" The number of jet captain positions available for AA flow back pilots is equal to the total number of Eagle jet captains that have claimed flow-through status under the provisions of Letter 3.



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I'm assuming the answer to my question is in "Letter 3", but what determines whether you get to "flow-back" to Eagle or you get to wait at home looking for different employment? Seniority? Anyone know if this is how it works with other companies?