XJT here I come!

SJFLYER · October 27th, 2004, 00:14

Interviewed with expressJet today and got the thumbs up.
My class date is for Dec 6. My times were 700TT and 130 multi. I have a CFI, CFI-I, MEI and a CL- 65 type rating. Out of 16 candidates they hired 10. They are hiring 500 pilots in the next 12 months so if you meet their minimums 600/100 go to their website and apply online.

Good Luck!

H46Bubba · October 27th, 2004, 00:47

Thanks for the call, when you were in town!

Congrats. It's too late tonight to call, so I'll wait till tomorrow.

DE727UPS · October 27th, 2004, 01:23

You got a jet type rating at under 700 hours total with no practical experience in jets? How much turbine time did you have when you got that type rating?

Not meaning to burst your bubble and I'm happy you got a job at XJT. But I see it as a TRAVESTY that it's possible to get a jet type rating with so little flight time. I hope that ticket in your pocket doesn't make you think you're qualified to be a CL65 Captain in real life....as it was meant to be. At least that's the way I see it. Did you go to DCA?

Gawd...what is this world coming too.....

NJA_Capt · October 27th, 2004, 08:36

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You got a jet type rating at under 700 hours total with no practical experience in jets?
... I see it as a TRAVESTY that it's possible to get a jet type rating with so little flight time. I hope that ticket in your pocket doesn't make you think you're qualified to be a CL65 Captain in real life....as it was meant to be.
Gawd...what is this world coming too.....

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I agree 1000%

And they believe seeing the low speed awareness tape at FL410 is normal

Another question: Who the ******** will type a +/-700 hour pilot?

I have more time than that as a CFI.

H46Bubba · October 27th, 2004, 09:56

SO is there a flight hour requirement for pilot's who want to get type rated? I understand being a line pilot and earning a type rating and moving up to captain. So if I had 500 hrs and 100 multi and I wanted to get a type rating for Citations or Lears so I could get a corprate gig, would that be wrong also, or is it in s different league. Anyways it's not doing him any good, since he'll be flying the ERJ.

Minnesota_Flyer · October 27th, 2004, 10:01

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Another question: Who the ******** will type a +/-700 hour pilot?

I have more time than that as a CFI.

[/ QUOTE ]Ummmm . . . the military, for one.

edit:Actually, I don't know if what the military does would be considered a type, but pilots in all the services are soloing jets at well under 700 hrs.

jtrain609 · October 27th, 2004, 10:04

He was probably involved one of Flight Saftey's program's. I ran into another CFI up this way that had a Gulfstream type rating when he had like 500 hours. He was able to sit in the right seat and be the sim partner with someone that was the odd man out at FSI. He was able to get into this program because he had done all his training at FSI.

It's not useful, it's just something to do while you're waiting for a real job I believe.

mtsu_av8er · October 27th, 2004, 11:29

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Another question: Who the ******** will type a +/-700 hour pilot?

I have more time than that as a CFI.

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There you go!!

NJA_Capt · October 27th, 2004, 11:51

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There you go!!

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Not exactly, read the first sentence about their initial class.

"Our Initial Course includes 3 hours in the Citation jet and is designed especially for experienced and active pilots with either an airline, corporate, training and/or military flying background."

CaliforniaSurfer · October 27th, 2004, 12:15

Freakin' thread hijackers!

Congratulations on getting hired at Express Jet man, that is outstanding.

Don't they also require 20 actual? That's my achilles heal living in SoCal.

Have fun.

Surf

Minnesota_Flyer · October 27th, 2004, 12:48

Congratulations! Must be a great feeling.

Now if only I had those 600 hours . . .

DE727UPS · October 27th, 2004, 13:20

"500 hrs and 100 multi and I wanted to get a type rating for Citations or Lears so I could get a corprate gig, would that be wrong also,"

I think so. Having type rating means, in my mind, anyway, you are qualified to be Capt of the jet. You shouldn't be able to get a type rating unless you are qualifed to be Capt of the jet. A guy with 500 total and 100 multi is NOT qualified to be the PIC of a Learjet. The insurance company would laugh their head off.

mtsu_av8er · October 27th, 2004, 15:12

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[ QUOTE ]
There you go!!

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Not exactly, read the first sentence about their initial class.

"Our Initial Course includes 3 hours in the Citation jet and is designed especially for experienced and active pilots with either an airline, corporate, training and/or military flying background."

[/ QUOTE ]

Or, the next part...

"We also offer an Expanded Course with 5 hours in the jet, which includes additional air work to help ensure successful completion of the check ride. "

GaTechKid · October 27th, 2004, 17:30

Congrats!

SJFLYER · October 28th, 2004, 00:29

Dear thread hijackers,

Last time I checked there are no minimums for a type rating. I got my CL-65 from CAE Denver. Same facility that does CRJ training for Air Wisconsin, Mesa and American Eagle. I took a check ride with a DPE who is an examiner for Air Wisconsin and found me to have met the standards set by the FAA and competent to act as PIC on a CL-65. I do have a 25hr restriction on my certificate.

There are plenty of captains out there that upgrade into the CRJ without ever setting foot on the CL-65 flight deck and some of them had never flown a jet or a glass cockpit prior to their upgrade. I admit that they have a few extra tricks on their bags that they picked up through the years that help them make sound decisions and enhance safety on the line. After all I never claimed to have the operational experience to operate the CRJ in the line.
However, I do have the systems knowledge and ability to fly the CRJ just as well as any newly CL-65 typed pilot.

The point of the type is not to get a street captain job flying the CRJ; it is however, to demonstrate that at 700 hours I can handle a sophisticated aircraft and that I am able to complete any regional airline training program with little or no problems. After all XJT only flies ERJ 135 and 145.

SJ Flyer

FlyChicaga · October 28th, 2004, 00:56

Only the ERJ135 and 145?

Oh geez.

I'm not touching this thread with a 10 foot pole.

aloft · October 28th, 2004, 03:35

By "only", I'm pretty sure he meant "exclusively", unless XJT got some of their Bro's back???

chrisdahut1 · October 28th, 2004, 06:58

FYI, many European carriers type their FO's in jets with as little as 300 hours. I'm sure you'll also be disgusted to know that they complete the majority of their training, all the way to frozen ATPL, at some of the academies here in the U.S. that y'all love to hate.

FlyChicaga · October 28th, 2004, 08:57

[ QUOTE ]
FYI, many European carriers type their FO's in jets with as little as 300 hours. I'm sure you'll also be disgusted to know that they complete the majority of their training, all the way to frozen ATPL, at some of the academies here in the U.S. that y'all love to hate.

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They also have very different operational philosophies and procedures compared to US carriers. Comparing US Airlines to most European Airlines regarding hiring standards ia about the same as using the military low-time argument. It's different here.

NJA_Capt · October 28th, 2004, 09:02

[ QUOTE ]
FYI, many European carriers type their FO's in jets with as little as 300 hours. I'm sure you'll also be disgusted to know that they complete the majority of their training, all the way to frozen ATPL, at some of the academies here in the U.S. that y'all love to hate.

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...been doing this for 20+ years I'm well aware of that.

But FYI.....Did you know if you go "over there" with the SAME requirements you will NOT qualify??? Yet many people come over here and are given a job on US soil, with US carriers while US citizens are turned away. What's wrong with this picture?

CaptChris · October 28th, 2004, 09:22

[ QUOTE ]
You got a jet type rating at under 700 hours total with no practical experience in jets? How much turbine time did you have when you got that type rating?

Not meaning to burst your bubble and I'm happy you got a job at XJT. But I see it as a TRAVESTY that it's possible to get a jet type rating with so little flight time. I hope that ticket in your pocket doesn't make you think you're qualified to be a CL65 Captain in real life....as it was meant to be. At least that's the way I see it. Did you go to DCA?

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Man dude----chill out! We have several scholarship programs here at Bowling Green with Flight Safety, Simuflight, Simcom, etc. that offer type ratings to anyone with their Private/Instrument (minnimum)! Maybe the guy earned it through a program like this, or maybe he paid for it. Either way--he earned it obviously. Plus---"jet time" isn't even required, all you do is sit in a sim and go through the flows, and checklists.

EatSleepFly · October 28th, 2004, 09:45

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Plus---"jet time" isn't even required, all you do is sit in a sim and go through the flows, and checklists.

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Ha! "All you do?" Its that easy huh? If you have that attitude when it comes time to go through any kind of type specific training (type rating or not), you are in for an unpleasant surprise...like a very short stay in new hire ground school.

chrisdahut1 · October 28th, 2004, 10:06

[ QUOTE ]
[ QUOTE ]
FYI, many European carriers type their FO's in jets with as little as 300 hours. I'm sure you'll also be disgusted to know that they complete the majority of their training, all the way to frozen ATPL, at some of the academies here in the U.S. that y'all love to hate.

[/ QUOTE ]
...been doing this for 20+ years I'm well aware of that.

But FYI.....Did you know if you go "over there" with the SAME requirements you will NOT qualify??? Yet many people come over here and are given a job on US soil, with US carriers while US citizens are turned away. What's wrong with this picture?

[/ QUOTE ]

Actually I happen to be one of those evil foreigners who came over here to steal your job. FYI, I did indeed qualify for British Airway's program, but unfortunetly wasn't one of the lucky 5% that get through the entire selection process.

It's funny how people think that anyone can move here and easily move into any job they desire and steal benefits etc... from U.S. Citizen. You know whats even funnier? Is that people in England think like that too!

And here's a question for ya- my brother, who isn't a citizen, is currently serving the U.S. Armed Forces in Iraq. He's a student who's been denied shcolarships because he isn't a citizen, can't vote because he doesn't yet qualify for citizenship, yet is willing to put his life on the line for this country. Whats wrong with that picture?

DE727UPS · October 28th, 2004, 10:49

"After all I never claimed to have the operational experience to operate the CRJ in the line"

In my mind, they shouldn't be giving out type ratings unless you DO have the operational experence to do the job. It used to be you got a type rating when you upgrade from F/O to Capt. Now you can go through the ERAU CAPT program and get an MD90 type at 400 hours. Do you really think a 700 hour guy is equal to a guy with 2000 hours as an F/O who's upgrading to the left seat? In my mind, it's the same piece of paper and if you earn one you should be able to be a Capt on the equipment....that's the whole point.

I saw an ad today in flying that made me want to puke. Some school called ACA, or something, was advertising that you could get a type rating there as a low time pilot and that would make you "equal" to someone with "far" more experience. So a 700 hour, type rated, pilot is equal to a non-type rated guy with 2000 hours tubine. I don't think so.....

Doug Taylor · October 28th, 2004, 10:59

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Plus---"jet time" isn't even required, all you do is sit in a sim and go through the flows, and checklists.

[/ QUOTE ]

*cough!* CPT's aren't a walk in the park.

October 27th, 2004, 00:14	#1
SJFLYER Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Norfolk, Virginia Posts: 110	XJT here I come! Interviewed with expressJet today and got the thumbs up. My class date is for Dec 6. My times were 700TT and 130 multi. I have a CFI, CFI-I, MEI and a CL- 65 type rating. Out of 16 candidates they hired 10. They are hiring 500 pilots in the next 12 months so if you meet their minimums 600/100 go to their website and apply online. Good Luck!

October 27th, 2004, 00:47	#2
H46Bubba Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: CVG Posts: 4,089	Re: XJT here I come! Thanks for the call, when you were in town! Congrats. It's too late tonight to call, so I'll wait till tomorrow.

October 27th, 2004, 01:23	#3
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,481	Re: XJT here I come! You got a jet type rating at under 700 hours total with no practical experience in jets? How much turbine time did you have when you got that type rating? Not meaning to burst your bubble and I'm happy you got a job at XJT. But I see it as a TRAVESTY that it's possible to get a jet type rating with so little flight time. I hope that ticket in your pocket doesn't make you think you're qualified to be a CL65 Captain in real life....as it was meant to be. At least that's the way I see it. Did you go to DCA? Gawd...what is this world coming too.....

October 27th, 2004, 08:36	#4
NJA_Capt Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,286	Re: XJT here I come! [ QUOTE ] You got a jet type rating at under 700 hours total with no practical experience in jets? ... I see it as a TRAVESTY that it's possible to get a jet type rating with so little flight time. I hope that ticket in your pocket doesn't make you think you're qualified to be a CL65 Captain in real life....as it was meant to be. Gawd...what is this world coming too..... [/ QUOTE ] I agree 1000% And they believe seeing the low speed awareness tape at FL410 is normal Another question: Who the ******** will type a +/-700 hour pilot? I have more time than that as a CFI.

October 27th, 2004, 09:56	#5
H46Bubba Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: CVG Posts: 4,089	Re: XJT here I come! SO is there a flight hour requirement for pilot's who want to get type rated? I understand being a line pilot and earning a type rating and moving up to captain. So if I had 500 hrs and 100 multi and I wanted to get a type rating for Citations or Lears so I could get a corprate gig, would that be wrong also, or is it in s different league. Anyways it's not doing him any good, since he'll be flying the ERJ.

October 27th, 2004, 10:01	#6
Minnesota_Flyer Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul Posts: 1,895	Re: XJT here I come! [ QUOTE ] Another question: Who the ******** will type a +/-700 hour pilot? I have more time than that as a CFI. [/ QUOTE ]Ummmm . . . the military, for one. edit:Actually, I don't know if what the military does would be considered a type, but pilots in all the services are soloing jets at well under 700 hrs.

October 27th, 2004, 10:04	#7
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Park City, UT Posts: 12,093	Re: XJT here I come! He was probably involved one of Flight Saftey's program's. I ran into another CFI up this way that had a Gulfstream type rating when he had like 500 hours. He was able to sit in the right seat and be the sim partner with someone that was the odd man out at FSI. He was able to get into this program because he had done all his training at FSI. It's not useful, it's just something to do while you're waiting for a real job I believe.

October 27th, 2004, 11:29	#8
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,403	Re: XJT here I come! [ QUOTE ] Another question: Who the ******** will type a +/-700 hour pilot? I have more time than that as a CFI. [/ QUOTE ] There you go!!

October 27th, 2004, 11:51	#9
NJA_Capt Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,286	Re: XJT here I come! [ QUOTE ] There you go!! [/ QUOTE ] Not exactly, read the first sentence about their initial class. "Our Initial Course includes 3 hours in the Citation jet and is designed especially for experienced and active pilots with either an airline, corporate, training and/or military flying background."

October 27th, 2004, 12:15	#10
CaliforniaSurfer Junior Member Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: SoCal Posts: 296	Re: XJT here I come! Freakin' thread hijackers! Congratulations on getting hired at Express Jet man, that is outstanding. Don't they also require 20 actual? That's my achilles heal living in SoCal. Have fun. Surf

October 27th, 2004, 12:48	#11
Minnesota_Flyer Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: the Twin Cities of Minneapolis and St. Paul Posts: 1,895	Re: XJT here I come! Congratulations! Must be a great feeling. Now if only I had those 600 hours . . .

October 27th, 2004, 13:20	#12
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,481	Re: XJT here I come! "500 hrs and 100 multi and I wanted to get a type rating for Citations or Lears so I could get a corprate gig, would that be wrong also," I think so. Having type rating means, in my mind, anyway, you are qualified to be Capt of the jet. You shouldn't be able to get a type rating unless you are qualifed to be Capt of the jet. A guy with 500 total and 100 multi is NOT qualified to be the PIC of a Learjet. The insurance company would laugh their head off.

October 27th, 2004, 15:12	#13
mtsu_av8er Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Utopia Posts: 12,403	Re: XJT here I come! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] There you go!! [/ QUOTE ] Not exactly, read the first sentence about their initial class. "Our Initial Course includes 3 hours in the Citation jet and is designed especially for experienced and active pilots with either an airline, corporate, training and/or military flying background." [/ QUOTE ] Or, the next part... "We also offer an Expanded Course with 5 hours in the jet, which includes additional air work to help ensure successful completion of the check ride. "

October 27th, 2004, 17:30	#14
GaTechKid Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Frigid NWA Hub Posts: 1,881	Re: XJT here I come! Congrats!

October 28th, 2004, 00:29	#15
SJFLYER Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Norfolk, Virginia Posts: 110	Re: XJT here I come! Dear thread hijackers, Last time I checked there are no minimums for a type rating. I got my CL-65 from CAE Denver. Same facility that does CRJ training for Air Wisconsin, Mesa and American Eagle. I took a check ride with a DPE who is an examiner for Air Wisconsin and found me to have met the standards set by the FAA and competent to act as PIC on a CL-65. I do have a 25hr restriction on my certificate. There are plenty of captains out there that upgrade into the CRJ without ever setting foot on the CL-65 flight deck and some of them had never flown a jet or a glass cockpit prior to their upgrade. I admit that they have a few extra tricks on their bags that they picked up through the years that help them make sound decisions and enhance safety on the line. After all I never claimed to have the operational experience to operate the CRJ in the line. However, I do have the systems knowledge and ability to fly the CRJ just as well as any newly CL-65 typed pilot. The point of the type is not to get a street captain job flying the CRJ; it is however, to demonstrate that at 700 hours I can handle a sophisticated aircraft and that I am able to complete any regional airline training program with little or no problems. After all XJT only flies ERJ 135 and 145. SJ Flyer

October 28th, 2004, 00:56	#16
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,747	Re: XJT here I come! Only the ERJ135 and 145? Oh geez. I'm not touching this thread with a 10 foot pole.

October 28th, 2004, 03:35	#17
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: Inside your OODA loop Posts: 6,722	Re: XJT here I come! By "only", I'm pretty sure he meant "exclusively", unless XJT got some of their Bro's back???

October 28th, 2004, 06:58	#18
chrisdahut1 Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Louisville, KY & Florida Posts: 266	Re: XJT here I come! FYI, many European carriers type their FO's in jets with as little as 300 hours. I'm sure you'll also be disgusted to know that they complete the majority of their training, all the way to frozen ATPL, at some of the academies here in the U.S. that y'all love to hate.

October 28th, 2004, 08:57	#19
FlyChicaga Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Chicago, IL Posts: 4,747	Re: XJT here I come! [ QUOTE ] FYI, many European carriers type their FO's in jets with as little as 300 hours. I'm sure you'll also be disgusted to know that they complete the majority of their training, all the way to frozen ATPL, at some of the academies here in the U.S. that y'all love to hate. [/ QUOTE ] They also have very different operational philosophies and procedures compared to US carriers. Comparing US Airlines to most European Airlines regarding hiring standards ia about the same as using the military low-time argument. It's different here.

October 28th, 2004, 09:02	#20
NJA_Capt Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2003 Posts: 1,286	Re: XJT here I come! [ QUOTE ] FYI, many European carriers type their FO's in jets with as little as 300 hours. I'm sure you'll also be disgusted to know that they complete the majority of their training, all the way to frozen ATPL, at some of the academies here in the U.S. that y'all love to hate. [/ QUOTE ] ...been doing this for 20+ years I'm well aware of that. But FYI.....Did you know if you go "over there" with the SAME requirements you will NOT qualify??? Yet many people come over here and are given a job on US soil, with US carriers while US citizens are turned away. What's wrong with this picture?

October 28th, 2004, 09:22	#21
CaptChris Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2004 Location: Richmond, VA Posts: 549	Re: XJT here I come! [ QUOTE ] You got a jet type rating at under 700 hours total with no practical experience in jets? How much turbine time did you have when you got that type rating? Not meaning to burst your bubble and I'm happy you got a job at XJT. But I see it as a TRAVESTY that it's possible to get a jet type rating with so little flight time. I hope that ticket in your pocket doesn't make you think you're qualified to be a CL65 Captain in real life....as it was meant to be. At least that's the way I see it. Did you go to DCA? [/ QUOTE ] Man dude----chill out! We have several scholarship programs here at Bowling Green with Flight Safety, Simuflight, Simcom, etc. that offer type ratings to anyone with their Private/Instrument (minnimum)! Maybe the guy earned it through a program like this, or maybe he paid for it. Either way--he earned it obviously. Plus---"jet time" isn't even required, all you do is sit in a sim and go through the flows, and checklists.

October 28th, 2004, 09:45	#22
EatSleepFly Old Skool Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: ?? Posts: 4,600	Re: XJT here I come! [ QUOTE ] Plus---"jet time" isn't even required, all you do is sit in a sim and go through the flows, and checklists. [/ QUOTE ] Ha! "All you do?" Its that easy huh? If you have that attitude when it comes time to go through any kind of type specific training (type rating or not), you are in for an unpleasant surprise...like a very short stay in new hire ground school.

October 28th, 2004, 10:06	#23
chrisdahut1 Junior Member Join Date: May 2002 Location: Louisville, KY & Florida Posts: 266	Re: XJT here I come! [ QUOTE ] [ QUOTE ] FYI, many European carriers type their FO's in jets with as little as 300 hours. I'm sure you'll also be disgusted to know that they complete the majority of their training, all the way to frozen ATPL, at some of the academies here in the U.S. that y'all love to hate. [/ QUOTE ] ...been doing this for 20+ years I'm well aware of that. But FYI.....Did you know if you go "over there" with the SAME requirements you will NOT qualify??? Yet many people come over here and are given a job on US soil, with US carriers while US citizens are turned away. What's wrong with this picture? [/ QUOTE ] Actually I happen to be one of those evil foreigners who came over here to steal your job. FYI, I did indeed qualify for British Airway's program, but unfortunetly wasn't one of the lucky 5% that get through the entire selection process. It's funny how people think that anyone can move here and easily move into any job they desire and steal benefits etc... from U.S. Citizen. You know whats even funnier? Is that people in England think like that too! And here's a question for ya- my brother, who isn't a citizen, is currently serving the U.S. Armed Forces in Iraq. He's a student who's been denied shcolarships because he isn't a citizen, can't vote because he doesn't yet qualify for citizenship, yet is willing to put his life on the line for this country. Whats wrong with that picture?

October 28th, 2004, 10:49	#24
DE727UPS Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2000 Location: Spokane, WA Posts: 6,481	Re: XJT here I come! "After all I never claimed to have the operational experience to operate the CRJ in the line" In my mind, they shouldn't be giving out type ratings unless you DO have the operational experence to do the job. It used to be you got a type rating when you upgrade from F/O to Capt. Now you can go through the ERAU CAPT program and get an MD90 type at 400 hours. Do you really think a 700 hour guy is equal to a guy with 2000 hours as an F/O who's upgrading to the left seat? In my mind, it's the same piece of paper and if you earn one you should be able to be a Capt on the equipment....that's the whole point. I saw an ad today in flying that made me want to puke. Some school called ACA, or something, was advertising that you could get a type rating there as a low time pilot and that would make you "equal" to someone with "far" more experience. So a 700 hour, type rated, pilot is equal to a non-type rated guy with 2000 hours tubine. I don't think so.....

October 28th, 2004, 10:59	#25
Doug Taylor Agent Smith Join Date: Dec 1969 Location: KSDL Posts: 39,749 Blog Entries: 1	Re: XJT here I come! [ QUOTE ] Plus---"jet time" isn't even required, all you do is sit in a sim and go through the flows, and checklists. [/ QUOTE ] cough! CPT's aren't a walk in the park.

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