First solo in actual

farwellbooth · September 30th, 2004, 18:31

Flew in the soup solo today for the first time w/o my instructor or an examiner. Wow super cool to actually descend out of the soup and have that baby lit up like a christmas tree awaiting your arrival!!!! I think it's up there w/ soloing for private. What a great day wooooooo hoooooooo

Question... I log the time out of the clouds (I was able to get on top) as simulated correct? Even though I'm not really simulating with foggles and I'm flying by ref. to instruments?

kellwolf · September 30th, 2004, 18:54

Nope. Simulated is only when you have a safety pilot and you're wearing the cool shades. Either that or a flight sim.

farwellbooth · September 30th, 2004, 18:58

So it's all actual? Except for a little time for take off and landing? yikes and I'm IR rated

stuckingfk · September 30th, 2004, 19:16

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So it's all actual? Except for a little time for take off and landing? yikes and I'm IR rated

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No, if you were on top you could probably see, so I would not log that as actual.

farwellbooth · September 30th, 2004, 19:36

Ok there seems to be some differences in opinions. So what is the correct way to log this?

I flew 3 approaches today solo on an IFR pland for a total of 1.6 hours. For .4 of those hours I was actually in the soup. thanks

SteveC · September 30th, 2004, 19:40

Log 0.4 hours Actual Instrument.

farwellbooth · September 30th, 2004, 19:43

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Log 0.4 hours Actual Instrument.

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ok good. That's what I thought and originally did in ink. Thanks for the help

MikeD · September 30th, 2004, 20:14

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Ok there seems to be some differences in opinions. So what is the correct way to log this?

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The correct answer is: you're fired for not knowing prior to undertaking the operation.

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kellwolf · September 30th, 2004, 20:18

A good way to think of it is "VFR on-top." Now, that's an IFR clearance, but you still need VFR conditions to get it. If you can see three miles in front of your face it's visual. Personally, I still think night w/o horizon should be IFR, but the FAA tends to disagree....

Windchill · September 30th, 2004, 20:37

Question, can a VFR pilot get "VFR-on-top" if it's an IFR clearance? It is still VFR flight.

Example, I depart KMRB (MRB, WV) for 33N in DE from Frederick, MD to the Ches Bay is a layer of clouds low enough to fly over, can I get VFR on top so long as I have openings somewhere?

I know it may not be smart, counting on holes in clouds or such, just curious.

MikeD · September 30th, 2004, 20:39

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Question, can a VFR pilot get "VFR-on-top" if it's an IFR clearance? It is still VFR flight.

Example, I depart KMRB (MRB, WV) for 33N in DE from Frederick, MD to the Ches Bay is a layer of clouds low enough to fly over, can I get VFR on top so long as I have openings somewhere?

I know it may not be smart, counting on holes in clouds or such, just curious.

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VFR Over the Top. VFR On Top is part of an IFR clearance which I wouldn't think a VFR pilot (non Inst rated) would be getting.

Windchill · September 30th, 2004, 20:43

Gotcha

BayAreaPilot · October 1st, 2004, 00:06

Yea I love flying solo in the soup, the fist time it happened for me was the day after I got my ticket, it wasn't much on that flight but still a great experience, it definatly builds the confidence.

September 30th, 2004, 18:31	#1
farwellbooth Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 316	First solo in actual Flew in the soup solo today for the first time w/o my instructor or an examiner. Wow super cool to actually descend out of the soup and have that baby lit up like a christmas tree awaiting your arrival!!!! I think it's up there w/ soloing for private. What a great day wooooooo hoooooooo Question... I log the time out of the clouds (I was able to get on top) as simulated correct? Even though I'm not really simulating with foggles and I'm flying by ref. to instruments?

September 30th, 2004, 18:54	#2
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,058	Re: First solo in actual Nope. Simulated is only when you have a safety pilot and you're wearing the cool shades. Either that or a flight sim.

September 30th, 2004, 18:58	#3
farwellbooth Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 316	Re: First solo in actual So it's all actual? Except for a little time for take off and landing? yikes and I'm IR rated

September 30th, 2004, 19:16	#4
stuckingfk Old Skool Join Date: Oct 2000 Location: El Forko Grande Posts: 2,535	Re: First solo in actual [ QUOTE ] So it's all actual? Except for a little time for take off and landing? yikes and I'm IR rated [/ QUOTE ] No, if you were on top you could probably see, so I would not log that as actual.

September 30th, 2004, 19:36	#5
farwellbooth Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 316	Re: First solo in actual Ok there seems to be some differences in opinions. So what is the correct way to log this? I flew 3 approaches today solo on an IFR pland for a total of 1.6 hours. For .4 of those hours I was actually in the soup. thanks

September 30th, 2004, 19:40	#6
SteveC Moderator Join Date: May 2003 Location: GRR Posts: 8,257	Re: First solo in actual Log 0.4 hours Actual Instrument.

September 30th, 2004, 19:43	#7
farwellbooth Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2001 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 316	Re: First solo in actual [ QUOTE ] Log 0.4 hours Actual Instrument. [/ QUOTE ] ok good. That's what I thought and originally did in ink. Thanks for the help

September 30th, 2004, 20:14	#8
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: First solo in actual [ QUOTE ] Ok there seems to be some differences in opinions. So what is the correct way to log this? [/ QUOTE ] The correct answer is: you're fired for not knowing prior to undertaking the operation. [img]/ubbthreads/images/graemlins/smile.gif[/img]

September 30th, 2004, 20:18	#9
kellwolf Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Memphis, TN Posts: 13,058	Re: First solo in actual A good way to think of it is "VFR on-top." Now, that's an IFR clearance, but you still need VFR conditions to get it. If you can see three miles in front of your face it's visual. Personally, I still think night w/o horizon should be IFR, but the FAA tends to disagree....

September 30th, 2004, 20:37	#10
Windchill Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mid-Atlantic, KMRB Posts: 1,925	Re: First solo in actual Question, can a VFR pilot get "VFR-on-top" if it's an IFR clearance? It is still VFR flight. Example, I depart KMRB (MRB, WV) for 33N in DE from Frederick, MD to the Ches Bay is a layer of clouds low enough to fly over, can I get VFR on top so long as I have openings somewhere? I know it may not be smart, counting on holes in clouds or such, just curious.

September 30th, 2004, 20:39	#11
MikeD Administrator Join Date: Feb 2003 Location: Pinal Airpark Posts: 6,897	Re: First solo in actual [ QUOTE ] Question, can a VFR pilot get "VFR-on-top" if it's an IFR clearance? It is still VFR flight. Example, I depart KMRB (MRB, WV) for 33N in DE from Frederick, MD to the Ches Bay is a layer of clouds low enough to fly over, can I get VFR on top so long as I have openings somewhere? I know it may not be smart, counting on holes in clouds or such, just curious. [/ QUOTE ] VFR Over the Top. VFR On Top is part of an IFR clearance which I wouldn't think a VFR pilot (non Inst rated) would be getting.

September 30th, 2004, 20:43	#12
Windchill Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2002 Location: Mid-Atlantic, KMRB Posts: 1,925	Re: First solo in actual Gotcha

October 1st, 2004, 00:06	#13
BayAreaPilot Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: Bay Area, Ca Posts: 40	Re: First solo in actual Yea I love flying solo in the soup, the fist time it happened for me was the day after I got my ticket, it wasn't much on that flight but still a great experience, it definatly builds the confidence.

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