Any openings out there?

avi8tor1983 · July 24th, 2009, 17:27

I'm looking for anything out there at all. I'm CFI/CFII/MEI. Senior Flight Instructor and Stage Check Airman at a University 141 program. 1100 Hours TT and 750 Dual given. 150 ME. I live in Oklahoma but I am willing to relocate. Thanks in advance for any help out there.

BTAcola · July 24th, 2009, 22:56

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Originally Posted by avi8tor1983

I'm looking for anything out there at all. I'm CFI/CFII/MEI. Senior Flight Instructor and Stage Check Airman at a University 141 program. 1100 Hours TT and 750 Dual given. 150 ME. I live in Oklahoma but I am willing to relocate. Thanks in advance for any help out there.

If you are a "SENIOR Flight Instructor and Stage Check airman"... why are you trying to leave now, there is nothing out there. Enjoy your "cushy" job while you got it!

avi8tor1983 · July 30th, 2009, 16:47

I would love to if layoffs were not coming in August haha. I should have mentioned that. Our cheif decided to let every senior instructor go and replace them with brand spankin new guys. Your gotta love it.

Roger, Roger · July 30th, 2009, 17:13

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Originally Posted by avi8tor1983

I would love to if layoffs were not coming in August haha. I should have mentioned that. Our cheif decided to let every senior instructor go and replace them with brand spankin new guys. Your gotta love it.

Your chief deserves a smack upside the head.

SpiraMirabilis · July 30th, 2009, 21:05

Seriously.

soonerpilot06 · July 30th, 2009, 22:11

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Originally Posted by avi8tor1983

I would love to if layoffs were not coming in August haha. I should have mentioned that. Our cheif decided to let every senior instructor go and replace them with brand spankin new guys. Your gotta love it.

Are you teaching at OU?

dabigboy · July 31st, 2009, 02:42

Wow, I'm curious about his situationt now.....CFI jobs don't really apply to me since I don't have it yet, but I'm thinking of checking out some flight jobs in the OKC area once I get in some more flight time and do some networking here (just moved here a few months ago from Arizona). Is the aviation market getting WORSE in Oklahoma?

avi8tor1983 · July 31st, 2009, 16:14

I won't say where I work but his reasoning behind the mess is we have all these poor grads without jobs for the last year and he thinks they need a shot. It's not the brightest thing in the world but it's what he is going to do. Turns out only 3 of us will be laid off. All of us are over 800 dual given. The job market in oklahoma is pretty sparce for instructors. Okc has 2 flight schools. AirOne and Oklahoma aviation both at pwa but nieather are hireing. Then there are the college flight schools. Ou, osu, and se osu. I haven't found anything out there yet. I've been flying my students like crazy trying to get my 135 mins. I'm about there. Just 8 more hours of night flight and 20 more total time. But even then with the market I know I won't be competative. I guess we will see where the ball lands. As for now. Guess I'll get a masters degree haha.

soonerpilot06 · July 31st, 2009, 22:29

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Originally Posted by dabigboy

Is the aviation market getting WORSE in Oklahoma?

I don't think it was great to begin with. I left OK in 2006 for a job in FL. It's very difficult to find multi time in OK. There are still a few CFI jobs here in FL, but they are more difficult to find.

CRJDriver · July 31st, 2009, 22:36

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Originally Posted by avi8tor1983

Our cheif decided to let every senior instructor go and replace them with brand spankin new guys. Your gotta love it.

Sounds like he wants to get rid of the expensive labor, and bring in some new cheap labor...

Baronpilot244 · August 1st, 2009, 18:50

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Originally Posted by CRJDriver

Sounds like he wants to get rid of the expensive labor, and bring in some new cheap labor...

Wow..............Circuit City all over again.....................

BP244
CFI/CFII/MEI

P-3tech · August 1st, 2009, 19:53

Pardon the interuption,

Sooner,
I am newly minted CFI (and coincidentally a south Floridian), would you mind passing on the name(s) of a few flight school(s)? I am running out of paper from all the resumes that I have submitted!

Paul

To the OP, Tailwheels (KGIF) is looking.

soonerpilot06 · August 2nd, 2009, 10:06

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Originally Posted by P-3tech

Pardon the interuption,

Sooner,
I am newly minted CFI (and coincidentally a south Floridian), would you mind passing on the name(s) of a few flight school(s)? I am running out of paper from all the resumes that I have submitted!

Paul

To the OP, Tailwheels (KGIF) is looking.

Try Ormond Beach Flight Training or Crystal River. IASCO in California is hiring a few but that's quite a long move for you. Unfortunately, these jobs fill up just as fast as they open. At FSA we've been actually been laying off instructors.

jdlilfan · August 3rd, 2009, 01:55

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Originally Posted by avi8tor1983

I would love to if layoffs were not coming in August haha. I should have mentioned that. Our cheif decided to let every senior instructor go and replace them with brand spankin new guys. Your gotta love it.

I feel ya! My university employer is doing a similar thing. Hiring everyone that goes through the program and gets a CFI, meanwhile leaving the old timers out to dry so to speak. Not getting laid off because we're "contractors" but not given any new students, leads, intro-rides, and possibly loosing students to other CFI's so that everyone has a fair share. 21 active instructors fighting for around 50 active students...it's a mess.

Not trying to hijack, just wanted to let you know that I sympathize.

P-3tech · August 4th, 2009, 09:12

Sooner,
Thanks for the school info.

avi8tor1983 · September 16th, 2009, 18:27

Well I have had a couple hits but nothing has come to call yet. Thanks for the few that have pm'd me. I am still looking so if there is anything in any state out there with decent pay i'm game. If there is anyone who knows anything i'd appriciate it. I'm at 1400 hours total time now with a little over 850 hours of dual given. Thanks in advance for any leads.

RICHARD5 · September 18th, 2009, 11:03

I have to wonder if the CP's motivation is so he can proudly proclaim that his grads get jobs. To keep the 'pass rate' up as a PR gimmic when attracting new students.

avi8tor1983 · September 18th, 2009, 15:43

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Originally Posted by RICHARD5

I have to wonder if the CP's motivation is so he can proudly proclaim that his grads get jobs. To keep the 'pass rate' up as a PR gimmic when attracting new students.

You are correct to some extent. Allthough while I was employed there I was 10 for 12 on my pass rate in one year. I think he honestly just wants to be able to say that his grads get jobs. Allthough I think its kind of funny because he over hired and now he has quite a few instructors without one student.

RICHARD5 · September 19th, 2009, 22:35

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Originally Posted by avi8tor1983

...because he over hired and now he has quite a few instructors without one student.

Every 141 school I know does that. What is hilarious and sad at the same time is those CFIs without students are only hanging because they are familiar with the place and somewhat settled in as they wait for the table scraps which invariably will come. They exploit themselves. And the employer exploits them for the same reasons. But they all know the game. I just couldn't figure out why a guy would do that to himself (in a healthy economy).

A 141 flight school owner told me, in response to me saying he should pay his CFIs more, that he can't keep them out of the cockpit. So, I sez, that a guy should be hungry enough or love his job, that should be reason to pay him a lesser wage? This otherwise congenial man just glared at me. That's the game.

nocturnalaviator · September 20th, 2009, 05:40

Found this quote on a fire house marquee, I found it fitting for the last post. It read something like... "If you love and enjoy your job so much why are you paid to do it?" Makes you think twice about bitchin'

avi8tor1983 · October 1st, 2009, 17:49

I just got an email from Flight Express! Class in Orlando on Oct. 12!

Rock on!

Jbroz04 · October 1st, 2009, 19:01

Congrats I would like to fly there at some point!

avi8tor1983 · October 2nd, 2009, 06:23

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Originally Posted by Jbroz04

Congrats I would like to fly there at some point!

Thank you sir. I don't know a lot about it but I guess I'll be finding out what the freight dog life is all about very soon

upup89 · October 4th, 2009, 03:14

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Originally Posted by avi8tor1983

I just got an email from Flight Express! Class in Orlando on Oct. 12!

Rock on!

congrats. I'm sure you'll like it here.

sixoneseven · October 4th, 2009, 12:18

Congrats!

July 24th, 2009, 17:27	#1
avi8tor1983 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 74	Any openings out there? I'm looking for anything out there at all. I'm CFI/CFII/MEI. Senior Flight Instructor and Stage Check Airman at a University 141 program. 1100 Hours TT and 750 Dual given. 150 ME. I live in Oklahoma but I am willing to relocate. Thanks in advance for any help out there.

July 30th, 2009, 16:47	#3
avi8tor1983 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 74	Re: Any openings out there? I would love to if layoffs were not coming in August haha. I should have mentioned that. Our cheif decided to let every senior instructor go and replace them with brand spankin new guys. Your gotta love it.

July 30th, 2009, 21:05	#5
SpiraMirabilis Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 3,345 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Any openings out there? Seriously. __________________ Yet Another Freight Puppy*

July 31st, 2009, 02:42	#7
dabigboy Newbie Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: Oklahoma City Posts: 12	Re: Any openings out there? Wow, I'm curious about his situationt now.....CFI jobs don't really apply to me since I don't have it yet, but I'm thinking of checking out some flight jobs in the OKC area once I get in some more flight time and do some networking here (just moved here a few months ago from Arizona). Is the aviation market getting WORSE in Oklahoma?

July 31st, 2009, 16:14	#8
avi8tor1983 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 74	Re: Any openings out there? I won't say where I work but his reasoning behind the mess is we have all these poor grads without jobs for the last year and he thinks they need a shot. It's not the brightest thing in the world but it's what he is going to do. Turns out only 3 of us will be laid off. All of us are over 800 dual given. The job market in oklahoma is pretty sparce for instructors. Okc has 2 flight schools. AirOne and Oklahoma aviation both at pwa but nieather are hireing. Then there are the college flight schools. Ou, osu, and se osu. I haven't found anything out there yet. I've been flying my students like crazy trying to get my 135 mins. I'm about there. Just 8 more hours of night flight and 20 more total time. But even then with the market I know I won't be competative. I guess we will see where the ball lands. As for now. Guess I'll get a masters degree haha.

August 1st, 2009, 19:53	#12
P-3tech Newbie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Location: Location Posts: 8	Re: Any openings out there? Pardon the interuption, Sooner, I am newly minted CFI (and coincidentally a south Floridian), would you mind passing on the name(s) of a few flight school(s)? I am running out of paper from all the resumes that I have submitted! Paul To the OP, Tailwheels (KGIF) is looking.

August 4th, 2009, 09:12	#15
P-3tech Newbie Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Location: Location Posts: 8	Re: Any openings out there? Sooner, Thanks for the school info.

September 16th, 2009, 18:27	#16
avi8tor1983 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 74	Re: Any openings out there? Well I have had a couple hits but nothing has come to call yet. Thanks for the few that have pm'd me. I am still looking so if there is anything in any state out there with decent pay i'm game. If there is anyone who knows anything i'd appriciate it. I'm at 1400 hours total time now with a little over 850 hours of dual given. Thanks in advance for any leads.

September 18th, 2009, 11:03	#17
RICHARD5 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: homeless, jobless Posts: 585	Re: Any openings out there? I have to wonder if the CP's motivation is so he can proudly proclaim that his grads get jobs. To keep the 'pass rate' up as a PR gimmic when attracting new students.

September 20th, 2009, 05:40	#20
nocturnalaviator Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2007 Location: NJ-KTTN Posts: 152	Re: Any openings out there? Found this quote on a fire house marquee, I found it fitting for the last post. It read something like... "If you love and enjoy your job so much why are you paid to do it?" Makes you think twice about bitchin' __________________ Flying the airplane is more important than radioing your problem to a person on the ground incapable of understanding it or doing anything about it. Last edited by nocturnalaviator; September 20th, 2009 at 05:41.

October 1st, 2009, 17:49	#21
avi8tor1983 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Oklahoma Posts: 74	Re: Any openings out there? I just got an email from Flight Express! Class in Orlando on Oct. 12! Rock on!

October 1st, 2009, 19:01	#22
Jbroz04 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Vermilion Posts: 614	Re: Any openings out there? Congrats I would like to fly there at some point! __________________ The last thing every pilot does after a gear up landing is to move the gear selector to down.

October 4th, 2009, 12:18	#25
sixoneseven Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Location: W-MA Posts: 120	Re: Any openings out there? Congrats!

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