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Old November 2nd, 2009, 10:18   #51
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If you want to really get ready be proficent at a simulated instrument takeoff, climb to a few thousand feet, track a VOR, enter hold for a few turns, find another VOR or NDB and hold (enter the hold from all different directions). In the holds set a long DME say a few miles and practice stalls, slow flight, engine failures, steep turns, emergencies etc all while in the hold. Make timed and compass turns (simulated HI failure). Depart the hold for VOR, ILS and NDB approaches to aiports nearby. Go missed and track back to a NBD or VOR and enter the hold. Then do a few VOR arcs and NDB arcs. Rinse and repeat. Dont take off the hood till the six hours are up.

Thats pretty much what my whole flight training at FLX consisted of. I was able to take off the hood only long enough to make a refuel then we went right back up. Not much different then what I did in the sim with USA Jet.
That pretty much describes the training and checkrides from Flight Express and both the airlines I have worked at. If you want to brush up on things like NDB's, holding, and arcs, I find using Microsoft flight sim is actually very helpful, and the price is unbeatable.
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Old November 2nd, 2009, 19:21   #52
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That pretty much describes the training and checkrides from Flight Express and both the airlines I have worked at. If you want to brush up on things like NDB's, holding, and arcs, I find using Microsoft flight sim is actually very helpful, and the price is unbeatable.
Another good resource online for basic NDB intercepts, holding and tracking is Tim's Air Navigation:
http://www.visi.com/~mim/nav/

It's simplistic but it does help out.
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If you want to really get ready be proficent at a simulated instrument takeoff, climb to a few thousand feet, track a VOR, enter hold for a few turns, find another VOR or NDB and hold (enter the hold from all different directions). In the holds set a long DME say a few miles and practice stalls, slow flight, engine failures, steep turns, emergencies etc all while in the hold. Make timed and compass turns (simulated HI failure). Depart the hold for VOR, ILS and NDB approaches to aiports nearby. Go missed and track back to a NBD or VOR and enter the hold. Then do a few VOR arcs and NDB arcs. Rinse and repeat. Dont take off the hood till the six hours are up.

Thats pretty much what my whole flight training at FLX consisted of. I was able to take off the hood only long enough to make a refuel then we went right back up. Not much different then what I did in the sim with USA Jet.
Thank you for that. Suprisingly, I feel pretty comfortable with pretty much all of that, though maybe not at the same time. I've never done stalls, or EP's while in the hold. Also not done an NDB Arc. Serious question though. Since the FAA is phasing out the NDB's, are the routes that Flight Express flying still have a lot of NDB approaches? I know they service some out of the way locations but I was just wondering. Thanks for the input to everyone, I really do appreciate it.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 02:05   #54
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Another good resource online for basic NDB intercepts, holding and tracking is Tim's Air Navigation:
http://www.visi.com/~mim/nav/

It's simplistic but it does help out.
Thank you, I am pretty familiar with that website, I use it regularly with my students who don't have Flight Simulator.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 02:31   #55
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Best I recall I did two NDB approaches 'in anger' at FLX. But I was real glad they made sure I knew how on both occasions.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 16:49   #56
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Best I recall I did two NDB approaches 'in anger' at FLX. But I was real glad they made sure I knew how on both occasions.
It HAD TO BE at Harrison....Was it?
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It HAD TO BE at Harrison....Was it?

Heh. Sho nuff! IIRC, the ILS was down, and for some reason the NDB actually gets you lower than the VOR there? Is that right?
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 17:26   #58
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Heh. Sho nuff! IIRC, the ILS was down, and for some reason the NDB actually gets you lower than the VOR there? Is that right?
Sure does! Man I don't like that airport.
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Old November 3rd, 2009, 17:32   #59
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Sure does! Man I don't like that airport.
I have fond memories of it simply because it was the site of many an impromptu airshow.

I mean, by other people, obviously...
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I have fond memories of it simply because it was the site of many an impromptu airshow.

I mean, by other people, obviously...
Obviously! ;-)
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Old November 4th, 2009, 09:48   #61
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I have found that any time Boris is in the area, there is some kind of "show" going on!
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Thank you for that. Suprisingly, I feel pretty comfortable with pretty much all of that, though maybe not at the same time. I've never done stalls, or EP's while in the hold. Also not done an NDB Arc. Serious question though. Since the FAA is phasing out the NDB's, are the routes that Flight Express flying still have a lot of NDB approaches? I know they service some out of the way locations but I was just wondering. Thanks for the input to everyone, I really do appreciate it.
There is no such thing as a NDB arc. You have to have DME to fly an arc. I personally never flew a real NDB approach at FLX, however I did fly quite a few localizer back courses to get into Orlando.
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Old November 5th, 2009, 23:38   #63
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There is no such thing as a NDB arc. You have to have DME to fly an arc. I personally never flew a real NDB approach at FLX, however I did fly quite a few localizer back courses to get into Orlando.
Who says NDBs can't have DME? I know of scads of airports with NDBs colocated with DME. Of course, I can't recall if I've ever seen an NDB-Arc, but if you have an RMI you could fly one super easy, or if you didn't you could just keep the station on the wingtip and fly left or right to keep it at however far out you want it. Good luck figuring out where the lead in radial is though.
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Isn't everything easier with an RMI? Not to turn the good freight dog thread into IFR 101, but RMIs pretty much = fat kid with cake.
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2 possibly silly questions:
At Flight Express, is the pilot responsible for loading/unloading the cargo or are there people to take care of that?

secondly.. re: MS FlightSim.. I've thought about getting it for some instrument brushup.. can that be run on a laptop easily? Need to get a joystick or something>? thanks!
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At Flight Express, is the pilot responsible for loading/unloading the cargo or are there people to take care of that?

secondly.. re: MS FlightSim.. I've thought about getting it for some instrument brushup.. can that be run on a laptop easily? Need to get a joystick or something>? thanks!
Dunno, but if its anything like any other cargo job I've had then HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA!!!
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Old November 15th, 2009, 13:56   #67
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At Flight Express, is the pilot responsible for loading/unloading the cargo or are there people to take care of that?

secondly.. re: MS FlightSim.. I've thought about getting it for some instrument brushup.. can that be run on a laptop easily? Need to get a joystick or something>? thanks!


I almost certain that it's the pilot's responsibility to load/unload their own aircraft.

As far as MS Flight Sim, I use it as an elementary training tool. It's one dimensional and provides entertainment.



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You load it. Relax, it's like 1000lbs max and the planes are not that big. If you have trouble with that, you should be in a wheelchair, not a cockpit.
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secondly.. re: MS FlightSim.. I've thought about getting it for some instrument brushup.. can that be run on a laptop easily? Need to get a joystick or something>? thanks!
Lots of good can come from MSFS. LOTS. Yep, you will need a joystick.
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Any info on what runs may be available/how much they might pay for a possible Nov 30 class? Do the sim checks count as a bust on your PRIA or is that some kind of initial weeding out of people because they don't do interviews, correct?
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I don't know which runs are available but I know that we are possibly looking for one pilot in CPS. Other places I don't totally know. Pay is for the most part standardized. $90/day or $12/hr for every duty hour after 7.5 hours on duty. The sim is part on an initial weeding process but I don't know about the PRIA act. Other people will be able to answer better about the sim.
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Any info on what runs may be available/how much they might pay for a possible Nov 30 class? Do the sim checks count as a bust on your PRIA or is that some kind of initial weeding out of people because they don't do interviews, correct?
Obviously you would have to send in a PRIA for FLX in the future if you take the sim portion. The way I understand it is that if you don't make it through the interview is that all that gets sent back is "we have no record of this person being employed here."

At least thats the way my friend explained it.
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Any info on what runs may be available/how much they might pay for a possible Nov 30 class? Do the sim checks count as a bust on your PRIA or is that some kind of initial weeding out of people because they don't do interviews, correct?
pay is as advertised. as far as runs, like what was said above, i think cps needs an extra guy, as does ads and oak. i think ads is already being taken by someone already at the company though.. all heresay. that's about all i know..
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Has anyone received any more info beyond the "groundschool in Nov. 30th" e-mail that was sent out about 2 weeks ago? I have been trying to get ahold of Adam since I got the e-mail, and haven't heard back.
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Lets see if Adam is working today or not...He was on a special today.
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