Compass is hiring...

mwflyer · May 26th, 2009, 02:28

At least according to apc. And yes, its current the page was updated on May 22, 2009. A good opportunity for those who meet the mins.

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/a...l/compass.html

aloft · May 26th, 2009, 03:13

Though I think their high hiring mins are the right idea for the industry, Compass' pay rates hardly reflect the value of those who meet them. $24/hr for a PIC-typed ATP? Not even close.

SFCC/UND · May 26th, 2009, 03:28

Cool I get to be typed rated in a 170 and 190

falconvalley · May 26th, 2009, 09:01

Ok, I'm gonna get on my soapbox here so if anyone is easily bored by that kind of stuff, there's your warning.

Consider the fact that when NWA started that operation, it was clear why they were doing it. It was unpopular then and still is now. Let's look at WHY they're paying such low rates. NWA specifically wanted to save a few bucks when they bought the 170's by crewing them with cheaper labor. Ok let's stop there and think about this objectively. I don't like it. You don't like it. That idea in itself sounds really dumb to agree to. Nobody wants to be cheap labor. Ok, so objectively- NWA wants cheap at the bottom of the scale. They come up with this idea to start a whole new certificate and crew it with regional pilots, while keeping the mins higher than at other regional carriers. They gave the new hires an opportunity to get a senority number and the mainline folks an opportunity to flow back. There. Everybody has a fork in this pie.

Now, the low pay is very undesirable. However, the deal was so popular that people would sign up for it and mainline would sign off on it. There are always going to be people that are willing to do that. I don't know if that deal still stands with Delta. I haven't been keeping up.

jtrain609 · May 26th, 2009, 09:21

There's actually a push within the Delta union to get the Compass guys onto the mainline list eh?

mwflyer · May 26th, 2009, 11:08

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Originally Posted by aloft

Though I think their high hiring mins are the right idea for the industry, Compass' pay rates hardly reflect the value of those who meet them. $24/hr for a PIC-typed ATP? Not even close.

Yes, but the carrot being dangled is the mainline seniority number. Its like someone else said in one of the threads about Colgan's pay. They said Colgan used to preach 3,2,1 to new hires. 3 years, 2 types, and 1,000 tpic. People overlook the low pay for the rapid upgrade, and chance to move to the majors. This is that same type of incentive, only better.

jynxyjoe · May 26th, 2009, 11:28

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Originally Posted by jtrain609

There's actually a push within the Delta union to get the Compass guys onto the mainline list eh?

Yeah. But to talk to them you'd think they were already on it. In memphis I've heard of repeated problems of commuters having to teach compass pilots how the non-reving system works. Apparently they are taught they they come in front of Mesaba and Comair guys. Wish SmoothlanderJ would chime in on this, he's had one experience with them.

It has something to do with them being a part of the same ALPA local or something.

SmoothLanderJ · May 26th, 2009, 11:59

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Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

Yeah. But to talk to them you'd think they were already on it. In memphis I've heard of repeated problems of commuters having to teach compass pilots how the non-reving system works. Apparently they are taught they they come in front of Mesaba and Comair guys. Wish SmoothlanderJ would chime in on this, he's had one experience with them.

It has something to do with them being a part of the same ALPA local or something.

You rang?? Yeah I have nothing against the Compass guys at all. BUT...it is true that some, not all already consider themselves above Mesaba and Pinnacle.

Recently I was trying to jumpseat home (on a Northwest Mainline flight). I was the first pilot at the gate, and the flight appeared to be full. Well, this Compass guy strolls up and explains to me that they should have the priority over the jumpseat over Mesaba AND Pinnacle! Unbelievable! Well long story short, the conversation was over at that point and we both ended up getting seats in the back no problem.

The kicker is that he believed that a Compass pilot should have the priority on an XJ flight too...HA!.....

jynxyjoe · May 26th, 2009, 12:12

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Originally Posted by SmoothLanderJ

You rang?? Yeah I have nothing against the Compass guys at all. BUT...it is true that some, not all already consider themselves above Mesaba and Pinnacle.

Recently I was trying to jumpseat home (on a Northwest Mainline flight). I was the first pilot at the gate, and the flight appeared to be full. Well, this Compass guy strolls up and explains to me that they should have the priority over the jumpseat over Mesaba AND Pinnacle! Unbelievable! Well long story short, the conversation was over at that point and we both ended up getting seats in the back no problem.

The kicker is that he believed that a Compass pilot should have the priority on an XJ flight too...HA!.....

. Boy that was quick

What you have to understand Jesse, is that their RJ is bigger than your RJ and that means they are better

. Easy mistake to make.

Go magic.

SmoothLanderJ · May 26th, 2009, 12:20

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Originally Posted by jynxyjoe

. Boy that was quick

What you have to understand Jesse, is that their RJ is bigger than your RJ and that means they are better

. Easy mistake to make.

Go magic.

I know, I should have known. My bad.

Oh yes...GOOO MAGIC! We take control tonight!

CRJDriver · May 26th, 2009, 12:25

Starting June 23, Comair, Mesaba and Compass will all have the same travel benefits and priority. Us Comair guys got screwed again for course. I'm not sure if I would take a job right now with Compass. First, you'll be on reserve for a very long time, and if Delta decides to furlough then you are screwed. I don't think I could handle two furloughs by two different regionals in one year. But hey, it's a job for the time being if you can get on...

jynxyjoe · May 26th, 2009, 12:31

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Originally Posted by CRJDriver

Starting June 23, Comair, Mesaba and Compass will all have the same travel benefits and priority. Us Comair guys got screwed again for course. I'm not sure if I would take a job right now with Compass. First, you'll be on reserve for a very long time, and if Delta decides to furlough then you are screwed. I don't think I could handle two furloughs by two different regionals in one year. But hey, it's a job for the time being if you can get on...

Don't worry. Mesaba has theirs coming soon enough.

Patrick · May 26th, 2009, 13:02

If I wasn't 200 hours short of ATP mins, I would apply. I've talked to their Chief Pilot a few times at various events, and he seems like a great guy. All in all, I heavily dislike the fact that Compass pay is on par (give or take a few percent) with other regionals, which given that they essentially require an ATP to apply and then PIC type you, I think is a bit ridiculous. However, if it continues to work under Delta the way it had under Northwest, that could be a good thing, assuming that one actually makes it upstairs to mainline.

mshunter · May 26th, 2009, 13:38

The only thing that makes this job remotely worth while is the flow through. But $24 an hour for an ATP cert! You gotta be kidding, right? What is there monthly gaurentee, I can't find it (mabey I'm not looking in the right place).

CRJDriver · May 26th, 2009, 13:54

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Originally Posted by mshunter

The only thing that makes this job remotely worth while is the flow through.

Remember, with a flow through, pilots can also flow back! I don't know the exact details of the agreement, but I think they cannot furlough the top 10% of Compass if DL/NWA pilots want to flow back to CZ.

wheelsup · May 26th, 2009, 15:22

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Originally Posted by mshunter

The only thing that makes this job remotely worth while is the flow through. But $24 an hour for an ATP cert! You gotta be kidding, right? What is there monthly gaurentee, I can't find it (mabey I'm not looking in the right place).

Man now I feel like a loser I was hired at my company with mins well above the ATP cert.

meyers9163 · May 26th, 2009, 16:03

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Originally Posted by CRJDriver

Remember, with a flow through, pilots can also flow back! I don't know the exact details of the agreement, but I think they cannot furlough the top 10% of Compass if DL/NWA pilots want to flow back to CZ.

Something like 100% of the seats at Compass are DAL pilots if Delta were to furlough. However, you could also get stappled to the bottom and be able to bid into larger equipment when your seniority were to hold it. Could be worth a gamble for guys on furlough. I'd roll the dice if I were still on the street, or put back on the street! That is even if I could get looked at with the way things are right now. And that pay is ABOVE RAH FO rates considerably after 1st year. Not that its great, but just another carrier who flies the same plane pays their FO's even less.

Socal321 · May 26th, 2009, 23:16

Compass mins are ridiculous. It's just a regional airline with regional pay. That flow through could be completely worthless. It sure worked out for Eagle pilots.

flyingmaniac · May 26th, 2009, 23:17

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Originally Posted by Socal321

Compass mins are ridiculous. It's just a regional airline with regional pay. That flow through could be completely worthless. It sure worked out for Eagle pilots.

OUCH!

falconvalley · May 28th, 2009, 22:17

Wasn't Eagle's situation the result of a half-hearted offer from American so they could flow back to Eagle when everyone was hurting?

Gonzo · May 28th, 2009, 22:20

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Originally Posted by falconvalley

Wasn't Eagle's situation the result of a half-hearted offer from American so they could flow back to Eagle when everyone was hurting?

At the time letter three signed life was good. 24 months from Eagle CA to AA FO.

WalterSobchak · May 29th, 2009, 10:03

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Originally Posted by jtrain609

There's actually a push within the Delta union to get the Compass guys onto the mainline list eh?

Nope. Quite the opposite. There are a handfull of loudmouth Compass guys that want that now that the industry is rolling in their favor.

WalterSobchak · May 29th, 2009, 10:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by PatrickCPS

If I wasn't 200 hours short of ATP mins, I would apply. I've talked to their Chief Pilot a few times at various events, and he seems like a great guy. All in all, I heavily dislike the fact that Compass pay is on par (give or take a few percent) with other regionals, which given that they essentially require an ATP to apply and then PIC type you, I think is a bit ridiculous. However, if it continues to work under Delta the way it had under Northwest, that could be a good thing, assuming that one actually makes it upstairs to mainline.

Welcome to reality! Every one used to require 1500 tt and a couple hundred multi just a few short years ago. The standards were set by the NWA MEC. Big News Flash for you is Compass IS a regional. It was created as a flowback pasture when there were NWA pilots on furlough by the time it got off the ground they had been recalled. The reason they set thos standards is because a furloughed mainline guy doesnt want to fly single pilot IFR every day with some one who doesn't meet a rediculously low stardard such as 1500 TT. I don't blame them. Also the Compass pay rates are negotiated to always be industry average. It's part of their contract. That is what the NWA MEC agreed to. Seriously 1500 TT is not that much effort to put into a career.

WalterSobchak · May 29th, 2009, 10:25

Quote:

Originally Posted by SmoothLanderJ

You rang?? Yeah I have nothing against the Compass guys at all. BUT...it is true that some, not all already consider themselves above Mesaba and Pinnacle.

Recently I was trying to jumpseat home (on a Northwest Mainline flight). I was the first pilot at the gate, and the flight appeared to be full. Well, this Compass guy strolls up and explains to me that they should have the priority over the jumpseat over Mesaba AND Pinnacle! Unbelievable! Well long story short, the conversation was over at that point and we both ended up getting seats in the back no problem.

The kicker is that he believed that a Compass pilot should have the priority on an XJ flight too...HA!.....

I ran into an CZ asshat when I was commuting when began talking about staffing and how ALPA should look into offering jobs at CZ for XJ people who meet the CZ mins to help our over staff problem and help their under staff problem. He proceeds to tell me they have "really high" mins at that he was hired with over "3000" hours. I told him "Wow you are pretty low time then I was hired here with twice that" and then I took my seat. There will always be people that think they are better based on what they fly its just the way life goes.

jynxyjoe · May 29th, 2009, 11:55

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Originally Posted by WalterSobchak

I ran into an CZ asshat when I was commuting when began talking about staffing and how ALPA should look into offering jobs at CZ for XJ people who meet the CZ mins to help our over staff problem and help their under staff problem. He proceeds to tell me they have "really high" mins at that he was hired with over "3000" hours. I told him "Wow you are pretty low time then I was hired here with twice that" and then I took my seat. There will always be people that think they are better based on what they fly its just the way life goes.

I guess you didn't see my post earlier. His RJ is bigger,. ergo, better pilot. Jeesh. What is with you people?

May 26th, 2009, 02:28	#1
mwflyer Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: midwest Posts: 191	Compass is hiring... At least according to apc. And yes, its current the page was updated on May 22, 2009. A good opportunity for those who meet the mins. http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/a...l/compass.html

May 26th, 2009, 03:13	#2
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: SL,UT Posts: 8,118	Re: Compass is hiring... Though I think their high hiring mins are the right idea for the industry, Compass' pay rates hardly reflect the value of those who meet them. $24/hr for a PIC-typed ATP? Not even close. __________________ ________\|________ -------(o)- ------° ° ° "You can totally say ass on here!" -- Doug Taylor

May 26th, 2009, 03:28	#3
SFCC/UND Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: humuhumunukunukuapuaa Posts: 3,073	Re: Compass is hiring... Cool I get to be typed rated in a 170 and 190 __________________ Applied PUBNAT8 7/6/2009 AT-SAT Auth 8/13/2009 10/27/2009 AT-SAT in SLC

May 26th, 2009, 09:01	#4
falconvalley Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KMKE Posts: 2,794	Re: Compass is hiring... Ok, I'm gonna get on my soapbox here so if anyone is easily bored by that kind of stuff, there's your warning. Consider the fact that when NWA started that operation, it was clear why they were doing it. It was unpopular then and still is now. Let's look at WHY they're paying such low rates. NWA specifically wanted to save a few bucks when they bought the 170's by crewing them with cheaper labor. Ok let's stop there and think about this objectively. I don't like it. You don't like it. That idea in itself sounds really dumb to agree to. Nobody wants to be cheap labor. Ok, so objectively- NWA wants cheap at the bottom of the scale. They come up with this idea to start a whole new certificate and crew it with regional pilots, while keeping the mins higher than at other regional carriers. They gave the new hires an opportunity to get a senority number and the mainline folks an opportunity to flow back. There. Everybody has a fork in this pie. Now, the low pay is very undesirable. However, the deal was so popular that people would sign up for it and mainline would sign off on it. There are always going to be people that are willing to do that. I don't know if that deal still stands with Delta. I haven't been keeping up. __________________ British Airways flight asks for push back clearance from terminal. Control Tower replies: "And where is the world's most experienced airline going today without filing a flight plan?"

May 26th, 2009, 09:21	#5
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 15,547	Re: Compass is hiring... There's actually a push within the Delta union to get the Compass guys onto the mainline list eh? __________________ N6869R, on another radio, contact clearance for new airways...

May 26th, 2009, 12:25	#11
CRJDriver Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KBOI Posts: 2,142	Re: Compass is hiring... Starting June 23, Comair, Mesaba and Compass will all have the same travel benefits and priority. Us Comair guys got screwed again for course. I'm not sure if I would take a job right now with Compass. First, you'll be on reserve for a very long time, and if Delta decides to furlough then you are screwed. I don't think I could handle two furloughs by two different regionals in one year. But hey, it's a job for the time being if you can get on...

May 26th, 2009, 13:02	#13
Patrick Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Kansas City MO Posts: 586	Re: Compass is hiring... If I wasn't 200 hours short of ATP mins, I would apply. I've talked to their Chief Pilot a few times at various events, and he seems like a great guy. All in all, I heavily dislike the fact that Compass pay is on par (give or take a few percent) with other regionals, which given that they essentially require an ATP to apply and then PIC type you, I think is a bit ridiculous. However, if it continues to work under Delta the way it had under Northwest, that could be a good thing, assuming that one actually makes it upstairs to mainline. __________________ Patrick

May 26th, 2009, 13:38	#14
mshunter Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Southern CA Posts: 1,107	Re: Compass is hiring... The only thing that makes this job remotely worth while is the flow through. But $24 an hour for an ATP cert! You gotta be kidding, right? What is there monthly gaurentee, I can't find it (mabey I'm not looking in the right place). __________________ Airspeed is life, Altitude is Life Insurance.

May 26th, 2009, 23:16	#18
Socal321 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: here and there Posts: 544	Re: Compass is hiring... Compass mins are ridiculous. It's just a regional airline with regional pay. That flow through could be completely worthless. It sure worked out for Eagle pilots.

May 28th, 2009, 22:17	#20
falconvalley Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KMKE Posts: 2,794	Re: Compass is hiring... Wasn't Eagle's situation the result of a half-hearted offer from American so they could flow back to Eagle when everyone was hurting? __________________ British Airways flight asks for push back clearance from terminal. Control Tower replies: "And where is the world's most experienced airline going today without filing a flight plan?"

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