Ameriflight hiring?

[KLB]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

(it's pretty common overseas. I trained a lot of pilots who had offers of employment the day after they passed their multi-engine instrument)

Even that is not 100% great like some may lead us to believe. Some companies put them in a 10 year or greater contract. Their Airbus or Boeing training actually comes out of their pockets. They pay a little out of each check towards the cost of their training. From what I hear from my former students, the cost is 50 grand and upwards. If they leave early the owe every penny right there. So there they are stuck 10 years a what may be a sucky company. It's their own version of living the dream!

Originally Posted by N8389P

I like how I put a bid in for PA31 out of BUR and I was told NO!~! LOL

It's because you're so special. Thats what you get for over achieving!

[Doug Taylor]

Oh, I didn't say it was good as some of those students with the guaranteed job in foreign countries were the reason why, five years later, I enjoyed a beautiful three day weekend in Oklahoma City talking about some of my former students.

Oh yes. Sign some students off and you're responsible for them for a long, long time regardless of their professional level.

[LOGS]

Originally Posted by Doug Taylor

Oh, I didn't say it was good as some of those students with the guaranteed job in foreign countries were the reason why, five years later, I enjoyed a beautiful three day weekend in Oklahoma City talking about some of my former students.

Oh yes. Sign some students off and you're responsible for them for a long, long time regardless of their professional level.

That's worried me for awhile since my days in the chinese pilot training farm. To this day I will never get on a chinese airline.

=Jason-

[KLB]

off topic:

Thats really scary. Some of my students really disliked me as an instructor. We were friends and all, but in the airplane I was a whole different person. I was that way for a reason though. I knew that one day, in the very near future, they'd be carrying passengers around in this in very large aircraft with Captain Whoknowswhat in the left seat!

So I'll admitt that I really got on their case when they screwed up to ensure that those screw ups never happened again and yeah I did made them learn DME arcs and approaches even though all of the flight schools planes had no DME equipment (but I had a hand held GPS).

I did this for two reasons:

I would feel personally responsible if they (some of them my really close friends) made a mistake that hurt them and a whole lot of other people.

I don't want to have to go break dancing in OKC.

on topic:

I can say that most pilots that have gone through a few years at AMF have not had any problems with any other training. Be it 121 or 135 from small business jets all the way up to the 747.... I bump into former AMF'ers everywhere!

[JayAre]

Originally Posted by KLB

.... I bump into former AMF'ers everywhere!

True! Even funny to have folks walk up and tell you that they flew that 99 when they worked for Bar Harbor or Cascade or whoever.......

Heads up those interested....... there might be an BE99 opening in Hastings, NE if it doesn't get filled internal.

[AirAlgerie]

Originally Posted by SIUav8er

O RLY? So youre one of those guys that thinks they can simply get thier commercial, buy a type rating, and then fly happily ever after at a "real" airline? Let us know how that works out for you...

fortunately im not one of those guys , i probably would never have gone for flight training if i knew that i wasnt gonna to make it , i have the mental and physical means ,and i have an opportunity with a national airline , so why not ?
if you are telling me this , what would you say about a CFI who barely has 300 Hrs and who want to teach you something about aviation !
anyway , all i wanted to say is that this company's pay scale is ridiculous , its probably a good startup but to to work 20 years+ for them and not make 100K/Yr is not fair .
speaking of real airlines , there are many out there , your problem is you think that america is the world and everything is here , you need to expand your mind , and look all around , the world is much bigger than that

[BillErvin]

Originally Posted by AirAlgerie

to work 20 years+ for them and not make 100K/Yr is not fair .

Where did you ever get the idea that salaries had anything to do with fairness.

[Boris Badenov]

Originally Posted by AirAlgerie

fortunately im not one of those guys , i probably would never have gone for flight training if i knew that i wasnt gonna to make it , i have the mental and physical means ,and i have an opportunity with a national airline , so why not ?
if you are telling me this , what would you say about a CFI who barely has 300 Hrs and who want to teach you something about aviation !
anyway , all i wanted to say is that this company's pay scale is ridiculous , its probably a good startup but to to work 20 years+ for them and not make 100K/Yr is not fair .
speaking of real airlines , there are many out there , your problem is you think that america is the world and everything is here , you need to expand your mind , and look all around , the world is much bigger than that

Thanks for the ESL advice. You might consider that the real problem is that you decided to poke your head in to a thread about a type of flying you openly admit you don't want to do or have any expectation of doing, and expressed your totally unsolicited opinion about the remunerative aspects of that flying. Or perhaps the problem is your clucking, condescending "citizen of the world" geography lesson to people you don't know. Regardless, you've successfully hijacked a thread you claim to have zero interest in to be about you. I, for one, am not interested in that subject.

[SIUav8er]

Originally Posted by AirAlgerie

speaking of real airlines , there are many out there , your problem is you think that america is the world and everything is here , you need to expand your mind , and look all around , the world is much bigger than that

Thanks for telling me what my problem is and what I think!

[SpiraMirabilis]

Originally Posted by KLB

off topic:

Thats really scary. Some of my students really disliked me as an instructor. We were friends and all, but in the airplane I was a whole different person. I was that way for a reason though. I knew that one day, in the very near future, they'd be carrying passengers around in this in very large aircraft with Captain Whoknowswhat in the left seat!

So I'll admitt that I really got on their case when they screwed up to ensure that those screw ups never happened again and yeah I did made them learn DME arcs and approaches even though all of the flight schools planes had no DME equipment (but I had a hand held GPS).

I did this for two reasons:

I would feel personally responsible if they (some of them my really close friends) made a mistake that hurt them and a whole lot of other people.

I don't want to have to go break dancing in OKC.

on topic:

I can say that most pilots that have gone through a few years at AMF have not had any problems with any other training. Be it 121 or 135 from small business jets all the way up to the 747.... I bump into former AMF'ers everywhere!

One of the Mesa CRJ guys who went to China came back to the states (they're shutting that down) and I talked to him in the crew room in PHX for a little while, I was traveling through PHX and waiting for my connection.

Man... I never knew the CRJ-200 was a single pilot airplane, but thats pretty much what it was.

[MikeOH58]

Originally Posted by AirAlgerie

i have the mental and physical means ,and i have an opportunity with a national airline , so why not ?

A couple weeks ago I had an M.D. come to me and say he wanted to learn to fly, and needed his licesne in x amount of months, because he was going on his honeymoon, and would be renting an airplane and flying throughout the western mountain states. He said this would be no problem, because he is a Doctor, and obviously has the mental capability to memorize all the information required to become a pilot. Between the attitude, and him knowing more about flying than myself, he was shown the door before his first flight.

So you have the mental and physical means...(or so you think). We are all extremely proud of you. Impressed actually. I hope you saved some room for common sense.

[c172captain]

Originally Posted by MikeOH58

A couple weeks ago I had an M.D. come to me and say he wanted to learn to fly, and needed his licesne in x amount of months, because he was going on his honeymoon, and would be renting an airplane and flying throughout the western mountain states. He said this would be no problem, because he is a Doctor, and obviously has the mental capability to memorize all the information required to become a pilot. Between the attitude, and him knowing more about flying than myself, he was shown the door before his first flight.

So you have the mental and physical means...(or so you think). We are all extremely proud of you. Impressed actually. I hope you saved some room for common sense.

I loving getting guys like these... I always pass them along to the eager new CFI who is ready to tackle any challenge!

[MFT1Air]

Originally Posted by c172captain

I loving getting guys like these... I always pass them along to the eager new CFI who is ready to tackle any challenge!

Not contradicting anything you're verbalizing, but that same "mental" attitude was shared once by a co-worker who felt any single engine airplane was "beneath him" as he had over 2500 hours flying his flight simulator at home. . . probably the same arrogance as this doctor.

I personally paid for his first "discovery flight" and brought along four/five other co-workers along to the airport to watch him fly.

From beginning to end, you could tell who had the airplane and who didn't. After they landed, he lost his arrogance quickly and apologized vehemently to all. He's a private pilot. . . took him 75 hours, but he's flying . . .and not so cocky.

[c172captain]

Originally Posted by MFT1Air

Not contradicting anything you're verbalizing, but that same "mental" attitude was shared once by a co-worker who felt any single engine airplane was "beneath him" as he had over 2500 hours flying his flight simulator at home. . . probably the same arrogance as this doctor.

I personally paid for his first "discovery flight" and brought along four/five other co-workers along to the airport to watch him fly.

From beginning to end, you could tell who had the airplane and who didn't. After they landed, he lost his arrogance quickly and apologized vehemently to all. He's a private pilot. . . took him 75 hours, but he's flying . . .and not so cocky.

Speaking of flight simulators at home... I had an eleven-year-old come in one time who had been using Microsoft Flight Simulator pretty heavily (don't know for how many hours) and we were scheduled for a discovery flight. Long story short, he was able to do the radios/taxi/takeoff/climb/level off/turn/maintain a heading/descend and almost land, pretty impressive.

[SIUav8er]

back to the topic of AMF hiring, I know a guy that has just been hired and has class on June 8th... interesting.

[turbomax97]

Originally Posted by c172captain

Speaking of flight simulators at home... I had an eleven-year-old come in one time who had been using Microsoft Flight Simulator pretty heavily (don't know for how many hours) and we were scheduled for a discovery flight. Long story short, he was able to do the radios/taxi/takeoff/climb/level off/turn/maintain a heading/descend and almost land, pretty impressive.

Had a similar guy - couldn't ever get a medical, but he could shoot an ils down to mins in the king air sim.... i was impressed. My current instrument students decided they weren't trying hard enough.

[flyTotheSky]

Originally Posted by SIUav8er

back to the topic of AMF hiring, I know a guy that has just been hired and has class on June 8th... interesting.

Do you know what airplane he was hired into?

[Fr8dog44]

Originally Posted by AirAlgerie

fortunately im not one of those guys , i probably would never have gone for flight training if i knew that i wasnt gonna to make it , i have the mental and physical means ,and i have an opportunity with a national airline , so why not ?
if you are telling me this , what would you say about a CFI who barely has 300 Hrs and who want to teach you something about aviation !
anyway , all i wanted to say is that this company's pay scale is ridiculous , its probably a good startup but to to work 20 years+ for them and not make 100K/Yr is not fair .
speaking of real airlines , there are many out there , your problem is you think that america is the world and everything is here , you need to expand your mind , and look all around , the world is much bigger than that

Don't worry! I used to fly for AMF and I can tell you NO ONE will make it that long. AMF doesn't like pilots who are even close to 40 years of age! THEY WILL FIND A WAY TO GET RID OF THEM! I know. AMF does practice age discrimination. Also, if you mention "back pain", you're history!!

I agree that there is good experience to be had, but, some future companies will like it, others won't. The big handicap is no CRM! Yea, you can fly the s**t out of the airplane, but do you know how to conduct yourself in a multi-crew environment! Some of you will say "sure!", but try to convince the interviewer your CRM skills are as good as anyone's when your operating in a Single-Pilot-IFR environment.

Also AMF doesn't have as great a reputation as some of you may think. During some of my interviews I found that out the hard way. Also, AMF management isn't the greatest. Their attitude about pilots is this; You are pieces of meat to be used and abused and spit out at will. Pilots are a dime a dozen! Unfortunately anyone flying for AMF will only discover this when it is too late!.

My advice! If you're going to do it, get in, get your experience and start looking for another job immediately and get out before something happens. Trust me, in that environment, it's not a matter of "IF" but "when" something happens!

Good luck!!

[mikecweb]

Originally Posted by Fr8dog44

Don't worry! I used to fly for AMF and I can tell you NO ONE will make it that long. AMF doesn't like pilots who are even close to 40 years of age! THEY WILL FIND A WAY TO GET RID OF THEM! I know. AMF does practice age discrimination. Also, if you mention "back pain", you're history!!

I agree that there is good experience to be had, but, some future companies will like it, others won't. The big handicap is no CRM! Yea, you can fly the s**t out of the airplane, but do you know how to conduct yourself in a multi-crew environment! Some of you will say "sure!", but try to convince the interviewer your CRM skills are as good as anyone's when your operating in a Single-Pilot-IFR environment.

Also AMF doesn't have as great a reputation as some of you may think. During some of my interviews I found that out the hard way. Also, AMF management isn't the greatest. Their attitude about pilots is this; You are pieces of meat to be used and abused and spit out at will. Pilots are a dime a dozen! Unfortunately anyone flying for AMF will only discover this when it is too late!.

My advice! If you're going to do it, get in, get your experience and start looking for another job immediately and get out before something happens. Trust me, in that environment, it's not a matter of "IF" but "when" something happens!

Good luck!!

In my indoc class there was a guy who is 59...just saying.

[c172captain]

Originally Posted by SIUav8er

back to the topic of AMF hiring, I know a guy that has just been hired and has class on June 8th... interesting.

Glimmering ray of hope on the horizon

[AirAlgerie]

Originally Posted by SIUav8er

Thanks for telling me what my problem is and what I think!

listen man , no offense meant , i said that because i felt that you are underestimating .
anyway , the whole thing was about the pay scale , all i wanted to say again is that it isnt fair for a 20 year senior pilot to get paid that much , now if someone wants to stay there or move on , its for them to decide .
and im in no way critisizing anybody's capabilities , but just do not underestimate anyone , everyone of us started from somewhere . you didnt get your private training on a triple 7 did you? we all started from a 172 or a piper , tell me if i am wrong , everyone starts from scratch . and it is no rocket science , even a gardner can become a pilot .
peace

[jtrain609]

Originally Posted by AirAlgerie

listen man , no offense meant , i said that because i felt that you are underestimating .
anyway , the whole thing was about the pay scale , all i wanted to say again is that it isnt fair for a 20 year senior pilot to get paid that much , now if someone wants to stay there or move on , its for them to decide .
and im in no way critisizing anybody's capabilities , but just do not underestimate anyone , everyone of us started from somewhere . you didnt get your private training on a triple 7 did you? we all started from a 172 or a piper , tell me if i am wrong , everyone starts from scratch . and it is no rocket science , even a gardner can become a pilot .
peace

There are probably 5 pilots at Amflight that have been there that long.

Maybe.

Possibly.

And I think all of them are in management positions now, so the pay scale doesn't mean much.

I'd say if you stick around at Amflight for more than 5 years you've either got so many DUI's not even Spirit will hire you, you've got such a repulsive personality that nobody will hire you, or you've crashed so many airplanes that nobody will hire you.

[KLB]

Originally Posted by Fr8dog44

Don't worry! I used to fly for AMF and I can tell you NO ONE will make it that long. AMF doesn't like pilots who are even close to 40 years of age! THEY WILL FIND A WAY TO GET RID OF THEM! I know. AMF does practice age discrimination. Also, if you mention "back pain", you're history!!

I agree that there is good experience to be had, but, some future companies will like it, others won't. The big handicap is no CRM! Yea, you can fly the s**t out of the airplane, but do you know how to conduct yourself in a multi-crew environment! Some of you will say "sure!", but try to convince the interviewer your CRM skills are as good as anyone's when your operating in a Single-Pilot-IFR environment.

Also AMF doesn't have as great a reputation as some of you may think. During some of my interviews I found that out the hard way. Also, AMF management isn't the greatest. Their attitude about pilots is this; You are pieces of meat to be used and abused and spit out at will. Pilots are a dime a dozen! Unfortunately anyone flying for AMF will only discover this when it is too late!.

My advice! If you're going to do it, get in, get your experience and start looking for another job immediately and get out before something happens. Trust me, in that environment, it's not a matter of "IF" but "when" something happens!

Good luck!!

Originally Posted by mikecweb

In my indoc class there was a guy who is 59...just saying.

My indoc roomate was also in his 50's when he was hired.

And some AMF'ers have also gone on to the "big leagues" also. I wouldn't necessarily say that their bowing to our "freight greatness"( I wouldn't expect then to), but it does happen.

[Socal321]

Amflight is excellent for corp or fractional jobs. That's what a senior training CA friend of mine at a fractional was saying. They love freight guys with king air time. Now if only they were hiring!

[SIUav8er]

Originally Posted by Socal321

Amflight is excellent for corp or fractional jobs. That's what a senior training CA friend of mine at a fractional was saying. They love freight guys with king air time. Now if only they were hiring!

They are... theres a class on the 8th