Great Lakes - Page 2

todd405 · April 27th, 2009, 00:19

OK, I guess my inside track with a former Lakes captain has derailed...thanks economy!!!

JulietBravo · April 27th, 2009, 01:18

Wonder why they were all about hiring, then all of a sudden, furloughing trainees? I have a friend who just finished his checkride, then got furloughed..

I just have to keep telling my self, I love this career, I love this career, I love this career.....

CaptainCrickettMan · April 27th, 2009, 13:07

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socal321

Probably not so bad for the instructors out there because lakes is a step up.

Financially, I have to disagree.

Had I been hired at GLA I would have taken a 32% paycut. But I do agree it is a step up in experience. Absolutely.

BrewMaster · April 27th, 2009, 13:28

My buddy was in the middle of training at Lakes the other day and the director of operations walked in and said "Sorry folks, class is cancelled." He started training on April 6th, and gave me three of his students before he left. I'll be damned if I give em back.

falconvalley · April 27th, 2009, 16:15

I'm sorry but if a company with a training contract dumps me in the street and expects me to come back in an undetermined about of time and finish the contract, they must not know that they violated the terms of my signature. So sorry, no guarantees I'll come back. Find a judge that'll side with you.

CaptainCrickettMan · April 27th, 2009, 17:30

Quote:

Originally Posted by falconvalley

I'm sorry but if a company with a training contract dumps me in the street and expects me to come back in an undetermined about of time and finish the contract, they must not know that they violated the terms of my signature. So sorry, no guarantees I'll come back. Find a judge that'll side with you.

Right on!

rd757 · April 27th, 2009, 18:59

Quote:

Originally Posted by falconvalley

I'm sorry but if a company with a training contract dumps me in the street and expects me to come back in an undetermined about of time and finish the contract, they must not know that they violated the terms of my signature. So sorry, no guarantees I'll come back. Find a judge that'll side with you.

Well said. Just a crappy situation all the way around. My buddy doesn't know what he's going to do now. He's stuck in Wyoming, on furlough and lost his students at his old school.

RD

Milesar · April 27th, 2009, 20:40

Just to comment of a bit of the confusion.

Your not hired until you pass your checkride, your also not bound by the training contract until your hired. If your in class and the class is canned then you were never hired, not bound by anything.

No one who is furloughed is bound by any contract at the moment.

Anyone who had not passed their checkride was furloughed, currently no line pilots are furloughed... actually not sure what to call it because those who were sent home were not technically "hired" yet. No talk of letting go any line pilots.

The reason for this is because there were contracts in Arkansas that were unable to be fulfilled, the stocking up on pilots was based on the idea of being able to acquire more 1900's to serve that area and currently there are none in the price-range/lease type available.

Word is there should be a class in Aug/Sep.

Ollie · April 27th, 2009, 21:38

I was kibitzing with a couple of Lakes Air clowns today while I waited to find out the status on a trip I was supposed to take. They were telling me that the company was having difficulty filling class seats. They further added that the company was losing a lot of captains and that, due to the disparity in experience level between the CAPT and FO communities, they were thinking of hiring some street captains next year if they couldn't get some FOs upgraded. What do you guys make of all that?

JustinA · April 27th, 2009, 23:19

DoWhat? · April 28th, 2009, 13:18

Ollie,
Did you really just fire off and call a respected pilot group "clowns" in your first couple of post here? Well done airman!

skywestseth · April 28th, 2009, 18:47

Quote:

Originally Posted by DoWhat?

Ollie,
Did you really just fire off and call a respected pilot group "clowns" in your first couple of post here? Well done airman!

When did $14k a year FO's become the uber leet respected pilot group that you refer to? Those Manahattan RON trips are bomb!

Ollie · April 28th, 2009, 18:48

Nope. Reread my post. I called these two particular dudes clowns. I didn't say that their entire community was populated with clowns. Somebody needs to lay off the coffee and NoDoz!

DoWhat? · April 29th, 2009, 03:33

This type of argument is typically the reason that I keep my mouth shut around here, but what the heck I'll bite.

1) Ollie you called out an entire pilot group by using their call sign. Never saw any particular reference in you post to Captain limpwrist and First Officer kneepad.

2) Regarding comments by skywestseth. I'm not sure that I ever elevated Great Lakes pilots to the hights that you elude to. However, I would point out that they are a hard working group of pilots that have placed several Lakers at the "major airline" level.

Nothing personal, just putting out comments based on my experience.

mojo6911 · April 29th, 2009, 10:50

Quote:

Originally Posted by Socal321

Probably not so bad for the instructors out there because lakes is a step up

LOL

LoadMasterC141 · April 29th, 2009, 11:07

Yeah sorry I would rather flight instruct than go to Lakes. I can't afford the pay cut.

Milesar · April 29th, 2009, 14:32

Quote:

Originally Posted by mojo6911

LOL

Please, share your thoughts...

I don't think I've ever heard of a flight instructor getting hired by Frontier, Southwest, Northwest, Delta, United, FedEx, Midwest... not sure what kind of step up you were commenting on.
(not much of a step up in the bank I can agree)

mojo6911 · April 29th, 2009, 15:49

Quote:

Originally Posted by Milesar

Please, share your thoughts...

I don't think I've ever heard of a flight instructor getting hired by Frontier, Southwest, Northwest, Delta, United, FedEx, Midwest... not sure what kind of step up you were commenting on.
(not much of a step up in the bank I can agree)

I don't think this is the appropriate forum for this discussion, but anyone carrying passengers for that kind of wage in mountainous areas is taking a huge step down and are bringing the collective group of pilots down with them.

LOGS · April 29th, 2009, 17:00

How much do they pay their captains btw?

=Jason-

CaptainCrickettMan · April 29th, 2009, 17:05

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOGS

How much do they pay their captains btw?

=Jason-

http://www.airlinepilotcentral.com/a...eat_lakes.html

CFI wages

mojo6911 · April 29th, 2009, 17:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by LOGS

How much do they pay their captains btw?

=Jason-

Milesar · May 1st, 2009, 19:24

More discussion of this topic here for those interested.

Great Lakes Pilots

rickurukus · May 5th, 2009, 03:02

the people probably dont have to pay the training contract. you arent even an employee at lakes until you pass your checkride and the guys that didnt pass their checkride im sure dont have to deal with the contract... its just like people that fail out of their checkride they dont have to pay the contract because they were never technically employees

dcramer16 · May 5th, 2009, 11:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by rickurukus

the people probably dont have to pay the training contract. you arent even an employee at lakes until you pass your checkride and the guys that didnt pass their checkride im sure dont have to deal with the contract... its just like people that fail out of their checkride they dont have to pay the contract because they were never technically employees

I don't know about Lakes, but I know there are some companies out there that make you sign a contract before you start training. Then they pro-rate it if you fail a checkride or flunk out. I thought that was kinda lame, and I'm sure not many companies do it this way, but I know of at least two that do it this way.

April 27th, 2009, 00:19	#26
todd405 Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: Arlington, TX Posts: 58	Re: Great Lakes OK, I guess my inside track with a former Lakes captain has derailed...thanks economy!!! __________________ "It is easier to explain to your friends why you had to go around than to explain to the FAA why you didn't."

April 27th, 2009, 01:18	#27
JulietBravo Junior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: SoDak Posts: 261	Re: Great Lakes Wonder why they were all about hiring, then all of a sudden, furloughing trainees? I have a friend who just finished his checkride, then got furloughed.. I just have to keep telling my self, I love this career, I love this career, I love this career..... __________________ CMEL/CSEL/CFI/CFII/MEI CE-500 SIC Type 141 University Instructor Though I fly through the valley of the shadow of death, I shall fear no evil, for I am at 80,000 feet and climbing.

April 27th, 2009, 13:28	#29
BrewMaster Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: KC/The Good Life Posts: 1,038	Re: Great Lakes My buddy was in the middle of training at Lakes the other day and the director of operations walked in and said "Sorry folks, class is cancelled." He started training on April 6th, and gave me three of his students before he left. I'll be damned if I give em back. __________________ Flight is the only truly new sensation than men have achieved in modern history.

April 27th, 2009, 16:15	#30
falconvalley Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: KMKE Posts: 2,822	Re: Great Lakes I'm sorry but if a company with a training contract dumps me in the street and expects me to come back in an undetermined about of time and finish the contract, they must not know that they violated the terms of my signature. So sorry, no guarantees I'll come back. Find a judge that'll side with you. __________________ British Airways flight asks for push back clearance from terminal. Control Tower replies: "And where is the world's most experienced airline going today without filing a flight plan?"

April 27th, 2009, 20:40	#33
Milesar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 857	Re: Great Lakes Just to comment of a bit of the confusion. Your not hired until you pass your checkride, your also not bound by the training contract until your hired. If your in class and the class is canned then you were never hired, not bound by anything. No one who is furloughed is bound by any contract at the moment. Anyone who had not passed their checkride was furloughed, currently no line pilots are furloughed... actually not sure what to call it because those who were sent home were not technically "hired" yet. No talk of letting go any line pilots. The reason for this is because there were contracts in Arkansas that were unable to be fulfilled, the stocking up on pilots was based on the idea of being able to acquire more 1900's to serve that area and currently there are none in the price-range/lease type available. Word is there should be a class in Aug/Sep.

April 27th, 2009, 21:38	#34
Ollie Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ballerville Posts: 6	Re: Great Lakes I was kibitzing with a couple of Lakes Air clowns today while I waited to find out the status on a trip I was supposed to take. They were telling me that the company was having difficulty filling class seats. They further added that the company was losing a lot of captains and that, due to the disparity in experience level between the CAPT and FO communities, they were thinking of hiring some street captains next year if they couldn't get some FOs upgraded. What do you guys make of all that?

April 27th, 2009, 23:19	#35
JustinA Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2008 Location: Melbourne, FL Posts: 229	Re: Great Lakes

April 28th, 2009, 13:18	#36
DoWhat? Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 105	Re: Great Lakes Ollie, Did you really just fire off and call a respected pilot group "clowns" in your first couple of post here? Well done airman! __________________ You shut your mouth when you're talking to me!!

April 28th, 2009, 18:48	#38
Ollie Newbie Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Ballerville Posts: 6	Re: Great Lakes Nope. Reread my post. I called these two particular dudes clowns. I didn't say that their entire community was populated with clowns. Somebody needs to lay off the coffee and NoDoz!

April 29th, 2009, 03:33	#39
DoWhat? Junior Member Join Date: Oct 2005 Location: Las Vegas Posts: 105	Re: Great Lakes This type of argument is typically the reason that I keep my mouth shut around here, but what the heck I'll bite. 1) Ollie you called out an entire pilot group by using their call sign. Never saw any particular reference in you post to Captain limpwrist and First Officer kneepad. 2) Regarding comments by skywestseth. I'm not sure that I ever elevated Great Lakes pilots to the hights that you elude to. However, I would point out that they are a hard working group of pilots that have placed several Lakers at the "major airline" level. Nothing personal, just putting out comments based on my experience. __________________ You shut your mouth when you're talking to me!!

April 29th, 2009, 11:07	#41
LoadMasterC141 Old Skool Join Date: May 2006 Location: Live in Arlington, TX - From Ithaca, NY - Wish I was on an island in Fiji Posts: 2,404	Re: Great Lakes Yeah sorry I would rather flight instruct than go to Lakes. I can't afford the pay cut. __________________ AMEL, ASEL, IFR Gold Seal Instructor, CFI, CFII, MEI, IGI 1310TT 620ME (135 mins! I can haz job now?) Ex- USAF C141B Crewmember Ex- Cube Monkey Getting paid to fly! (little stuff)

April 29th, 2009, 17:00	#44
LOGS Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Location: VOMM Posts: 432	Re: Great Lakes How much do they pay their captains btw? =Jason- __________________ ...Stuck in India.

May 1st, 2009, 19:24	#47
Milesar Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Colorado Posts: 857	Re: Great Lakes More discussion of this topic here for those interested. Great Lakes Pilots

May 5th, 2009, 03:02	#48
rickurukus Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2007 Posts: 40	Re: Great Lakes the people probably dont have to pay the training contract. you arent even an employee at lakes until you pass your checkride and the guys that didnt pass their checkride im sure dont have to deal with the contract... its just like people that fail out of their checkride they dont have to pay the contract because they were never technically employees

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