Air Canada Jazz

HVYMETALDRVR · January 31st, 2009, 01:49

I've flown into Canada but I don't have any experience working there. But I was browsing and say that Air Canada and Air Canada Jazz are hiring at 1000 and 1500 hrs. respectively. I checked online and as long as you have a valid FAA Medical and Commercial Multi with no restrictions the licenses transfer over... Maybe an option for some if you don't mind shoveling snow.

http://www.workopolis.com/EN/job/10565540

CRJDriver · January 31st, 2009, 02:13

Thanks for the info! I might put in my stuff, but I don't have any Canadian liscense, but I did read they transfer over easy. Maybe if I'll just put "willing and able to obtain Canadian liscenses" on my resume?

RWH1986 · January 31st, 2009, 02:56

Their pilots look more like train conductors IMO...worked the jazz flights at IAD and the crews are usually nice. A lot of their 200's are ex ACA/IDE.

bafanguy · January 31st, 2009, 09:52

Why would a Canadian company hire US citizens ?

jtrain609 · January 31st, 2009, 11:21

If ya'll are willing to move to Canada, I'd seriously look into Jazz. I decided that if I was going to keep flying, it would be as an expat and Air Canada/Jazz were tops on my list. Their pay rates for flying RJ's around are an example of what we should have in the states.

12 days off a month for reserves, 14 days off a month for line holders. If I didn't have other plans, I'd head up there, move to BC or Ottawa and enjoy a decent wage while having some actual days off.

PantherFlyer13 · January 31st, 2009, 11:36

Shovel snow every morning, or do it the easy way and back the Dodge Ram with the plow into the garage every morning and finish in 5 seconds when you pull out to go to work, and have my family's health insurance taken care of. That's a lifestyle I could probably handle. Not to mention the pay difference.

PS - Random trivia for all to enjoy - Where is the only point in the CONUS (as far as I know) where you can drive SOUTH to get from the US to Canada?

Answer: Taking the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel from Michigan into Ontario! MapQuest it. Cheers.

CRJDriver · January 31st, 2009, 12:42

You think they would even look at my app with no Canadian liscenses? Anyone know where I could convert my ratings? I'm sure it's not something you could do on-line is it?

I'd move to Vancouver in a heartbeat

BTAcola · January 31st, 2009, 14:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by bafanguy

Why would a Canadian company hire US citizens ?

THE SAME REASON. US companies hire Canadian, Australian, etc etc etc... , believe it or not, some corporate policies (written and un written) say to help with their classification of diversity of the workforce, they will have a certain % of foreign eligable employees. Especially if a company is trying to grow.

Propilot · January 31st, 2009, 16:04

Go to www.avcanada.ca browse over to the forums section.

You will find threads like this one...

http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewt...hilit=american

about Canadians who want to come down here to fly, that are filled with half truths and downright false statements about requirements, getting hired, pay, etc.

....Kind of like this thread that you started.

If you want to fly in Canada, you need the right to live and work there.

bafanguy · January 31st, 2009, 16:29

Quote:

Originally Posted by Propilot

If you want to fly in Canada, you need the right to live and work there.

Propilot,

That's sort of what I was getting at by asking why a Canadian airline would hire non-Canadians. I suppose anything is possible but I'd bet the legal right to live/work there is only the first stumbling block. The next being that they probably also have qualified pilots coming out their ears.

Try China or Africa.

I had a Canadian work visa and license validation about 5 years ago but it was only a last resort for the company (now defunct) under very unusual and short lived circumstances. Today, they would not even hire me to sweep out the hangar.

chris · January 31st, 2009, 17:36

Im at Jazz and we are hiring. Our bid had about 40+ openings right now. As others have pointed out, you will need Canadian licenses and the right to live/work up here to be considered.

The industry is slowly taking a toll for the worse up here too, although not quite as bad as in the USA. Westjet and Porter are pretty much the only 2 airlines that have been hiring consistently over the last while and are still recruiting. Air Canada is not hiring and is going through furlough mitigation, as we recently went through at Jazz. Lots of guys took an LOA and some went to work overseas (emirates, cathay, etc), while others were picked up by WJ.

As good as you guys think the pay is, believe it or not, but Jazz is quite often the butt of jokes up here. +15 years ago, guys at Air Ontario (Jazz is actually a regional airline that had 4 regionals merge into 1 massive company, Air Ontario, Air BC, Air Nova and Canadian Regional) were making $32000 to start as an FO on the Dash8. Their pilots had more days off and worked less on reserve too. Im coming up to year 2 pay in 2 weeks, and Ill be going to about $43000. By year 3 you are on an hourly rate (I forget what it is, but its on airline pay central website). Quite a bit more compared to what you guys see in the USA, but we gave up a lot of concessions through Air Canada's bankruptcy in 2001, and the pay was hit hard.

We have our contract negotiations coming up as well. In fact, EVERYONE associated with Air Canada (CSAs, rampies, mechanics, pilots, FAs, etc) has their contract up at the same time. There is going to be some chaos come fall as there is absolutely no way all groups will settle. There is already talk of a strike, I hope not though.

CRJDriver · January 31st, 2009, 18:33

Well, I just put in my stuff and wrote on the application that I'm willing and able to get Canadian liscenses. Probably won't get a call. I just don't want to convert everythig and pay for the new liscense if I can't even get an interview.

chris · January 31st, 2009, 19:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by CRJDriver

You think they would even look at my app with no Canadian liscenses? Anyone know where I could convert my ratings? I'm sure it's not something you could do on-line is it?

Here is a link I found from Transport Canada (our version of the FAA) about license conversion- http://www.tc.gc.ca/civilaviation/ge...Conversion.htm

Also, http://www.tc.gc.ca/CivilAviation/ge.../AppendixA.htm

There was a thread on avcanada recently about converting a Canadian ATPL to an FAA one and the process was fairly simple. Get an FAA medical, get your license and paperwork verified in Oklahoma, write the US ATP exam, and go in person to an FAA approved office to hand it in and walk out with your ATP. Im sure the process is similar for converting FAA ATP to Canadian.

Having said that, having the Canadian license is useless unfortunately, unless you have the right to work in Canada. No Canadian airline would be able to hire you without it, likewise no Canadian can work in the USA without a greencard.

jtrain609 · January 31st, 2009, 20:30

I'm from Michigan, and can talk like I'm from Ontario. Does that help me at all?

chris · January 31st, 2009, 20:43

I dont notice a difference between michigan and ontario accents, then again I grew up on the michigan-ontario border. But if you say "eh" a lot in the interview, thatll score you extra points. Bring a 12-pack of Molson Canadian and the job is yours!

CirrusMonkey · February 1st, 2009, 02:22

Quote:

Originally Posted by jtrain609

I'm from Michigan, and can talk like I'm from Ontario. Does that help me at all?

Probably not. Just like that fugly shirt in your avitar does not make you less nerdy....

HVYMETALDRVR · February 1st, 2009, 03:43

hah, I hope this helps someone. From what I understand the Canadien government has a very open stance towards foreigners entering their country and even encourages them to keep their customs. I would recommending calling up either company and asking what they think. See if their willing to consider you before you even spend any money. In pprune someone mentioned they actually want a little bit more in terms of flight time these days, such as a type and jet time. But at least their hiring!

EnnTea · February 1st, 2009, 05:52

Quote:

Originally Posted by chris

I dont notice a difference between michigan and ontario accents, then again I grew up on the michigan-ontario border. But if you say "eh" a lot in the interview, thatll score you extra points. Bring a 12-pack of Molson Canadian and the job is yours!

I flew Air Canada from Cleveland to Toronto, then on to Tokyo back in October. On the flight from Toronto to Tokyo, the girl beside me informed me that I have a very heavy American accent.

I found that very weird because I didn't notice any difference at all in the way she talked compared to me.

ASpilot2be · February 1st, 2009, 06:40

Quote:

Originally Posted by EnnTea

I flew Air Canada from Cleveland to Toronto, then on to Tokyo back in October. On the flight from Toronto to Tokyo, the girl beside me informed me that I have a very heavy American accent.

I found that very weird because I didn't notice any difference at all in the way she talked compared to me.

I guess thats better than being told I have a Canadian accent

Alaskans, or atleast the town I come from has this thing against Canada

BillErvin · February 1st, 2009, 17:50

You don't speak Canadian, Aey?......Hooser

SFCC/UND · February 1st, 2009, 18:13

I heard that a little bit of tequila can make you speak any language.

RWH1986 · February 2nd, 2009, 02:37

Quote:

Originally Posted by SFCC/UND

I heard that a little bit of tequila can make you speak any language.

Makes me speak spanglish....

matt152 · February 2nd, 2009, 08:13

Can you get the right to work if you marry a Canadian citizen?

Marry your way to higher RJ pay!

HVYMETALDRVR · February 2nd, 2009, 17:58

Quote:

Originally Posted by PantherFlyer13

PS - Random trivia for all to enjoy - Where is the only point in the CONUS (as far as I know) where you can drive SOUTH to get from the US to Canada?

Answer: Taking the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel from Michigan into Ontario! MapQuest it. Cheers.

Are you familiar with the chimney in Northern Minnesota? Although just a piece sticking up theres water in between angle inlet (which is basically a camp) and gull rock/ long point so you basically have to drive SW into Canada to get back to the US. I know its not quite but close...

rdsoxpilot · February 3rd, 2009, 00:39

I've always wondered what the requirements were for the license conversion, glad to see there's a thread on it.

I would also move to Vancouver in a heart beat. Can't beat Molson & Labbat.

January 31st, 2009, 01:49	#1
HVYMETALDRVR Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 206	Air Canada Jazz I've flown into Canada but I don't have any experience working there. But I was browsing and say that Air Canada and Air Canada Jazz are hiring at 1000 and 1500 hrs. respectively. I checked online and as long as you have a valid FAA Medical and Commercial Multi with no restrictions the licenses transfer over... Maybe an option for some if you don't mind shoveling snow. http://www.workopolis.com/EN/job/10565540

January 31st, 2009, 02:13	#2
CRJDriver Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KBOI Posts: 2,183	Re: Air Canada Jazz Thanks for the info! I might put in my stuff, but I don't have any Canadian liscense, but I did read they transfer over easy. Maybe if I'll just put "willing and able to obtain Canadian liscenses" on my resume?

January 31st, 2009, 02:56	#3
RWH1986 Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Gilbert, AZ Posts: 485	Re: Air Canada Jazz Their pilots look more like train conductors IMO...worked the jazz flights at IAD and the crews are usually nice. A lot of their 200's are ex ACA/IDE. __________________

January 31st, 2009, 09:52	#4
bafanguy Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: ATL Posts: 289	Re: Air Canada Jazz Why would a Canadian company hire US citizens ?

January 31st, 2009, 11:21	#5
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 15,547	Re: Air Canada Jazz If ya'll are willing to move to Canada, I'd seriously look into Jazz. I decided that if I was going to keep flying, it would be as an expat and Air Canada/Jazz were tops on my list. Their pay rates for flying RJ's around are an example of what we should have in the states. 12 days off a month for reserves, 14 days off a month for line holders. If I didn't have other plans, I'd head up there, move to BC or Ottawa and enjoy a decent wage while having some actual days off. __________________ N6869R, on another radio, contact clearance for new airways...

January 31st, 2009, 11:36	#6
PantherFlyer13 Junior Member Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: Palm Bay, FL Posts: 77	Re: Air Canada Jazz Shovel snow every morning, or do it the easy way and back the Dodge Ram with the plow into the garage every morning and finish in 5 seconds when you pull out to go to work, and have my family's health insurance taken care of. That's a lifestyle I could probably handle. Not to mention the pay difference. PS - Random trivia for all to enjoy - Where is the only point in the CONUS (as far as I know) where you can drive SOUTH to get from the US to Canada? Answer: Taking the Detroit-Windsor Tunnel from Michigan into Ontario! MapQuest it. Cheers. __________________ OKC 07/01/2009 Bound for Detroit TRACON

January 31st, 2009, 12:42	#7
CRJDriver Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KBOI Posts: 2,183	Re: Air Canada Jazz You think they would even look at my app with no Canadian liscenses? Anyone know where I could convert my ratings? I'm sure it's not something you could do on-line is it? I'd move to Vancouver in a heartbeat

January 31st, 2009, 16:04	#9
Propilot Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Denver, CO Posts: 420	Re: Air Canada Jazz Go to www.avcanada.ca browse over to the forums section. You will find threads like this one... http://www.avcanada.ca/forums2/viewt...hilit=american about Canadians who want to come down here to fly, that are filled with half truths and downright false statements about requirements, getting hired, pay, etc. ....Kind of like this thread that you started. If you want to fly in Canada, you need the right to live and work there. __________________ Most men can withstand adversity, but to truly test a man's character, give him power.

January 31st, 2009, 17:36	#11
chris Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 354	Re: Air Canada Jazz Im at Jazz and we are hiring. Our bid had about 40+ openings right now. As others have pointed out, you will need Canadian licenses and the right to live/work up here to be considered. The industry is slowly taking a toll for the worse up here too, although not quite as bad as in the USA. Westjet and Porter are pretty much the only 2 airlines that have been hiring consistently over the last while and are still recruiting. Air Canada is not hiring and is going through furlough mitigation, as we recently went through at Jazz. Lots of guys took an LOA and some went to work overseas (emirates, cathay, etc), while others were picked up by WJ. As good as you guys think the pay is, believe it or not, but Jazz is quite often the butt of jokes up here. +15 years ago, guys at Air Ontario (Jazz is actually a regional airline that had 4 regionals merge into 1 massive company, Air Ontario, Air BC, Air Nova and Canadian Regional) were making $32000 to start as an FO on the Dash8. Their pilots had more days off and worked less on reserve too. Im coming up to year 2 pay in 2 weeks, and Ill be going to about $43000. By year 3 you are on an hourly rate (I forget what it is, but its on airline pay central website). Quite a bit more compared to what you guys see in the USA, but we gave up a lot of concessions through Air Canada's bankruptcy in 2001, and the pay was hit hard. We have our contract negotiations coming up as well. In fact, EVERYONE associated with Air Canada (CSAs, rampies, mechanics, pilots, FAs, etc) has their contract up at the same time. There is going to be some chaos come fall as there is absolutely no way all groups will settle. There is already talk of a strike, I hope not though. __________________ "One of the problems of flying a jet is that you don't have a lot of time to admire the scenery." - MacGyver

January 31st, 2009, 18:33	#12
CRJDriver Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KBOI Posts: 2,183	Re: Air Canada Jazz Well, I just put in my stuff and wrote on the application that I'm willing and able to get Canadian liscenses. Probably won't get a call. I just don't want to convert everythig and pay for the new liscense if I can't even get an interview.

January 31st, 2009, 20:30	#14
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 15,547	Re: Air Canada Jazz I'm from Michigan, and can talk like I'm from Ontario. Does that help me at all? __________________ N6869R, on another radio, contact clearance for new airways...

January 31st, 2009, 20:43	#15
chris Senior Member Join Date: Jul 2000 Location: Canada Posts: 354	Re: Air Canada Jazz I dont notice a difference between michigan and ontario accents, then again I grew up on the michigan-ontario border. But if you say "eh" a lot in the interview, thatll score you extra points. Bring a 12-pack of Molson Canadian and the job is yours! __________________ "One of the problems of flying a jet is that you don't have a lot of time to admire the scenery." - MacGyver

February 1st, 2009, 03:43	#17
HVYMETALDRVR Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 206	Re: Air Canada Jazz hah, I hope this helps someone. From what I understand the Canadien government has a very open stance towards foreigners entering their country and even encourages them to keep their customs. I would recommending calling up either company and asking what they think. See if their willing to consider you before you even spend any money. In pprune someone mentioned they actually want a little bit more in terms of flight time these days, such as a type and jet time. But at least their hiring!

February 1st, 2009, 17:50	#20
BillErvin Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Midlothian TX Temporary abode in Ft. Pierce FL Posts: 865 Blog Entries: 9	Re: Air Canada Jazz You don't speak Canadian, Aey?......Hooser __________________ \_____@(")@_____/ Every day I remind myself that my inner & outer life is based on the labor of Patriots, living & dead, and I strive to live up to that sacrifice.

February 1st, 2009, 18:13	#21
SFCC/UND Old Skool Join Date: Apr 2006 Location: humuhumunukunukuapuaa Posts: 3,100	Re: Air Canada Jazz I heard that a little bit of tequila can make you speak any language. __________________ Applied PUBNAT8 7/6/2009 AT-SAT Auth 8/13/2009 10/27/2009 AT-SAT in SLC

February 2nd, 2009, 08:13	#23
matt152 Senior Member Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: CT Posts: 420	Re: Air Canada Jazz Can you get the right to work if you marry a Canadian citizen? Marry your way to higher RJ pay!

February 3rd, 2009, 00:39	#25
rdsoxpilot Junior Member Join Date: May 2007 Location: J-ville, Fl & Random Hotels Posts: 260	Re: Air Canada Jazz I've always wondered what the requirements were for the license conversion, glad to see there's a thread on it. I would also move to Vancouver in a heart beat. Can't beat Molson & Labbat.

Thread Tools
Show Printable Version Email this Page
Display Modes
Linear Mode Switch to Hybrid Mode Switch to Threaded Mode