King Air C90 SIC in PHX - Contract

JDE · January 20th, 2009, 16:02

Found this on the NBAA forums:

We are looking for a 135 current C90 SIC on a contract basis. Currently not a long term / full time position. Must be within 2 hrs of KPHX.

Please email Gordon Paige, Director of Operations, at gpaige@cutteraviation.com

c172captain · January 20th, 2009, 21:16

How come not 135 VFR requirements? We're just as good as those IFR guys.

aloft · January 22nd, 2009, 11:18

Huh? It's an SIC position, not PIC. All you need is a Comm MEL ticket.

falconvalley · January 22nd, 2009, 13:11

Quote:

Originally Posted by c172captain

How come not 135 VFR requirements? We're just as good as those IFR guys.

135 VFR requirements are to act as PIC. They're looking for an SIC. Does it specify VFR/IFR, anyway? You can have a letter to be an SIC under 135, which qualifies you to be a crewmember under IFR.

juskl · February 1st, 2009, 18:45

This is a one pilot ship.....Can not log the time. This will probably be due insurance requirements of a customer.

HVYMETALDRVR · February 1st, 2009, 19:20

It depends upon the operation and the person flying PIC. If the person flying PIC is an instructor you can log it as dual received (I'm not sure if you can log it as SIC at the same time). Also its possible that the operation may require a second pilot, for example I logged SIC time in the Pilatus PC-12 because we were flying under 91subK which requires two pilots...

aloft · February 1st, 2009, 23:14

If the company's ops specs call for two pilots, then two pilots are legally required (and can both log the time), regardless of the aircraft's type certification.

wrxpilot · February 2nd, 2009, 01:55

Quote:

Originally Posted by juskl

This is a one pilot ship.....Can not log the time. This will probably be due insurance requirements of a customer.

Augh, not this crap again...

Here's the real deal on logging SIC time in a king air:
http://forums.jetcareers.com/790266-post21.html

juskl · February 2nd, 2009, 13:29

Careful on this one.... Let me further clear up what I am talking about. Yes, check to see that the company has "the letter" from the FAA, indicating that the operations are approved for two pilots in an airplane that was originally certified as a one pilot operated airplane..... ie... no autopilot on an IFR flight. However, if this is just an insurance requirement of a well to do client, and not an operational requirement of Part 135, then you will not be required and cannot log the time. Just check with the operator. Also, call up the Scottsdale FSDO and run it by them. Letters from the FAA fly all over this website, however, they are still up to interpretation of the local FSDO.... Just cover your butt. Personally, I think two pilots would be a smart thing, but I am not the one that you would need to justify times too down the road. Good luck...

wrxpilot · February 6th, 2009, 09:02

Quote:

Originally Posted by juskl

Careful on this one.... Let me further clear up what I am talking about. Yes, check to see that the company has "the letter" from the FAA, indicating that the operations are approved for two pilots in an airplane that was originally certified as a one pilot operated airplane..... ie... no autopilot on an IFR flight. However, if this is just an insurance requirement of a well to do client, and not an operational requirement of Part 135, then you will not be required and cannot log the time. Just check with the operator. Also, call up the Scottsdale FSDO and run it by them. Letters from the FAA fly all over this website, however, they are still up to interpretation of the local FSDO.... Just cover your butt. Personally, I think two pilots would be a smart thing, but I am not the one that you would need to justify times too down the road. Good luck...

The "letter" from the FAA (local FSDO) that most 135 companies have for equipment like the king air authorizes them to operate single pilot under certain conditions (working autopilot, etc.). This is not a requirement, it's an exception to the FARs. There is no "letter" from the FSDO, administrator, President Obama, or anyone else that says the operator is authorized to use two pilots. The 135 FARs spell out the two pilot requirement. It's a very important difference to understand if you are employed by a 135 operator.

Part 135 passenger charter? You are totally good to go with the SIC as long as they've had the appropriate training listed in FAR 135.293.

January 20th, 2009, 16:02	#1
JDE Old Skool Join Date: Mar 2002 Location: Chattanooga, TN Posts: 1,672	King Air C90 SIC in PHX - Contract Found this on the NBAA forums: We are looking for a 135 current C90 SIC on a contract basis. Currently not a long term / full time position. Must be within 2 hrs of KPHX. Please email Gordon Paige, Director of Operations, at gpaige@cutteraviation.com __________________ Jason No Plane No Gain

January 20th, 2009, 21:16	#2
c172captain Senior Member Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: SoCal Posts: 1,291	Re: King Air C90 SIC in PHX - Contract How come not 135 VFR requirements? We're just as good as those IFR guys. __________________ How much wood would a woodchuck chuck if a woodchuck could chuck wood? CFI/CFII/MEI AGI/IGI C-SEL/C-MEL

January 22nd, 2009, 11:18	#3
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: SL,UT Posts: 8,165	Re: King Air C90 SIC in PHX - Contract Huh? It's an SIC position, not PIC. All you need is a Comm MEL ticket. __________________ ________\|________ -------(o)- ------° ° ° "You can totally say ass on here!" -- Doug Taylor

February 1st, 2009, 18:45	#5
juskl Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 329	Re: King Air C90 SIC in PHX - Contract This is a one pilot ship.....Can not log the time. This will probably be due insurance requirements of a customer.

February 1st, 2009, 19:20	#6
HVYMETALDRVR Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 206	Re: King Air C90 SIC in PHX - Contract It depends upon the operation and the person flying PIC. If the person flying PIC is an instructor you can log it as dual received (I'm not sure if you can log it as SIC at the same time). Also its possible that the operation may require a second pilot, for example I logged SIC time in the Pilatus PC-12 because we were flying under 91subK which requires two pilots...

February 1st, 2009, 23:14	#7
aloft Old Skool Join Date: Sep 2001 Location: SL,UT Posts: 8,165	Re: King Air C90 SIC in PHX - Contract If the company's ops specs call for two pilots, then two pilots are legally required (and can both log the time), regardless of the aircraft's type certification. __________________ ________\|________ -------(o)- ------° ° ° "You can totally say ass on here!" -- Doug Taylor

February 2nd, 2009, 13:29	#9
juskl Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2002 Posts: 329	Re: King Air C90 SIC in PHX - Contract Careful on this one.... Let me further clear up what I am talking about. Yes, check to see that the company has "the letter" from the FAA, indicating that the operations are approved for two pilots in an airplane that was originally certified as a one pilot operated airplane..... ie... no autopilot on an IFR flight. However, if this is just an insurance requirement of a well to do client, and not an operational requirement of Part 135, then you will not be required and cannot log the time. Just check with the operator. Also, call up the Scottsdale FSDO and run it by them. Letters from the FAA fly all over this website, however, they are still up to interpretation of the local FSDO.... Just cover your butt. Personally, I think two pilots would be a smart thing, but I am not the one that you would need to justify times too down the road. Good luck...

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