Ameriflight, Cheiftan, BE99, and SA227 Captains.... - Page 3

E_Dawg · February 19th, 2009, 05:51

Turnover is high. Some positions/bases/assignments are like black holes, you can get in but can't get out. That's why they advertise for pilots regularly. A good number wash out of training - sounds simple but: make sure you're up to speed on basic IFR stuff if you go there. That cannot be emphasized enough.

murphfly · February 19th, 2009, 10:54

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Originally Posted by Piperflyer

Spoke with Sylvia today, she said they will be setting up interviews for the next 2 weeks.
looking for CA and OR Chieftain pilots, CVG EMB FOs, and SJU, also some Metro pilots.

What time have you been able to get a hold of her. Is she in the office during the day or night? Thanks!

HVYMETALDRVR · February 19th, 2009, 16:00

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Originally Posted by murphfly

What time have you been able to get a hold of her. Is she in the office during the day or night? Thanks!

Come November when I get current again and everything I'm definitely shooting my app that way, I hope they're hiring!

ljg · February 19th, 2009, 16:27

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Originally Posted by HVYMETALDRVR

Come November when I get current again and everything I'm definitely shooting my app that way, I hope they're hiring!

You getting back into the game for 3 more weeks?

mikecweb · February 19th, 2009, 16:37

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Originally Posted by ljg

You getting back into the game for 3 more weeks?

Thankyou.

Piperflyer · February 19th, 2009, 16:56

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Originally Posted by murphfly

What time have you been able to get a hold of her. Is she in the office during the day or night? Thanks!

I called her at 8:00 am here in Hawaii, but this is about the 6th time I tried and it really was just luck that I got her. She was really nice though.

jtrain609 · February 19th, 2009, 17:07

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Originally Posted by E_Dawg

Turnover is high. Some positions/bases/assignments are like black holes, you can get in but can't get out. That's why they advertise for pilots regularly. A good number wash out of training - sounds simple but: make sure you're up to speed on basic IFR stuff if you go there. That cannot be emphasized enough.

Exactly. Guys will jump on an out station based 99 run thinking to themselves, "Alright! Turbine PIC time! w00t!!!! I'll be at Southwest in no time!" After 6 months of flying the same run and only building 200 hours, they're ready to kill themselves and have to quit the company to leave the out station.

The deal with out stations at Amflight is that if there isn't somebody willing to fill the position, you're stuck there; you can't simply "bid out" of an out station.

Ed's also spot on in that the wash out rate is incredibly high.

CDNPilotDave · February 19th, 2009, 17:49

Is anyone familiar with Amflights policies/procedures on a) training washouts and b) quitting to get out of 'black hole outposts', and subsequent attempts at being hired?

murphfly · February 19th, 2009, 18:17

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Originally Posted by HVYMETALDRVR

Come November when I get current again and everything I'm definitely shooting my app that way, I hope they're hiring!

Are you in some kind of contest to see how many times you can make pointless replies to my posts?!

FYI Their training is longer than 3 weeks...

jtrain609 · February 19th, 2009, 18:58

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Originally Posted by CDNPilotDave

Is anyone familiar with Amflights policies/procedures on a) training washouts and b) quitting to get out of 'black hole outposts', and subsequent attempts at being hired?

A. When I was there (I left the training department in July of 2007) the general policy was that you'd be given 6 months to go brush up on your skills and then you could re-interview and attempt training again. If you wash out a second time, you were done. I'm sure you could come back in a shorter period of time, but 6 months seemed to be the average I saw.

B. If you quit because you were stuck in an out station nobody wanted, and attempted to get rehired I'd guess that you'd be shown the finger and the door, quickly. It would be obvious that you were attempting to subvert their system and they wouldn't be too happy about it, but that's just a guess.

TheAlchemist · February 19th, 2009, 21:02

JTrain,

maybe you can answer my question. Would it be alright if I go to Ameriflight and turn in my resume in person? Or do they not like that?

Thanks

jtrain609 · February 19th, 2009, 23:34

Man, I couldn't tell you, mostly because I've never seen anybody do that. I've had people send e-mails for me, and I've walked in resumes myself before when I worked there (which was the quickest way to get somebody a call), but I've never seen somebody roll up to the crystal palace (if they could even find the damned place) and hand in a resume.

Are you far from Burbank?

TheAlchemist · February 20th, 2009, 00:13

I live in Anaheim and I fly for an aerial mapping company, and I'm currently shooting Ventura County. I fly over kbur everyday. I could land there any day or drive in on a day off. I just wanted to get some feedback to see what you think.

Thanks

skatergeek · February 20th, 2009, 00:15

Ok, I have a few questions. Is OAK really that bad of a base? I live in PHX and would like to be back here sooner rather than later. If OAK based, is it hard to move out? even for a PHX out station? Also, does anyone know how often the PHX outstations open up? I'm gonna have to commute

until I go crazy or can be back in the PHX area...if hired of coarse...

murphfly · February 20th, 2009, 00:29

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Originally Posted by skatergeek

Ok, I have a few questions. Is OAK really that bad of a base? I live in PHX and would like to be back here sooner rather than later. If OAK based, is it hard to move out? even for a PHX out station? Also, does anyone know how often the PHX outstations open up? I'm gonna have to commute

until I go crazy or can be back in the PHX area...if hired of coarse...

Did you get an interview set up yet?

skatergeek · February 20th, 2009, 00:55

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Originally Posted by murphfly

Did you get an interview set up yet?

She said that she wants to get me interviewed sometime next week, but has to check with the PHX CP first and would let me know. She said "it'd make sense to interview you out in PHX since it is closer." But who knows..

KLB · February 20th, 2009, 07:53

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Originally Posted by skatergeek

Ok, I have a few questions. Is OAK really that bad of a base? I live in PHX and would like to be back here sooner rather than later. If OAK based, is it hard to move out? even for a PHX out station? Also, does anyone know how often the PHX outstations open up? I'm gonna have to commute

until I go crazy or can be back in the PHX area...if hired of coarse...

OAK is not as bad as it used to be. Unfortunately, you may have missed the massive wave of movement there. Fortunately, it probably wouldn't be that difficult to get out of OAK. You may not be able to bid into the most desirable run, but you may be able to get out.

jtrain609 · February 20th, 2009, 09:51

And you won't really be able to commute, or at least it'd be really, really, really hard. There's no union, no commuter policy, and commuting is not recommended. I've known people that have done it, but I think they were freakin' crazy. One guy lived in his truck in Burbank for a year while flying back to Salt Lake on the weekends.

HVYMETALDRVR · February 20th, 2009, 11:46

Well from what I've heard about them I think i could stay there for awhile...

scooter2525 · February 20th, 2009, 14:44

It's doable on the weekends. SWA has a lot of flights to PHX, SLC etc so make sure you solid on the loads. OAK seems to be moving people up really quick. It is possible to move to PHX after being based in OAK, but expect it to run anywhere from 8 months - 1 year. Training is about 4 weeks. Someone said earlier to brush up on IFR and I would reiterate that. Spend 5-10 hours in a sim and that would help a ton. Good luck all. Oh and call sliva. jtrain, I dropped a resume in person.

skatergeek · February 20th, 2009, 15:19

Ya, I know I'd be crazy for commuting...but, I'm stuck in here for another year and a half (wife in nursing school). So if hired, and I go to OAK, I can bid for something else right? And I should get it if I'm the highest person bidding for it? Is there a flight time requirement to upgrade to the BE99 or just who ever bids it? I know it will be A LONG time to upgrade, I'm just curious. Oh, also, how often do you "bid"?

scooter2525 · February 20th, 2009, 16:27

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Originally Posted by skatergeek

Ya, I know I'd be crazy for commuting...but, I'm stuck in here for another year and a half (wife in nursing school). So if hired, and I go to OAK, I can bid for something else right? And I should get it if I'm the highest person bidding for it? Is there a flight time requirement to upgrade to the BE99 or just who ever bids it? I know it will be A LONG time to upgrade, I'm just curious. Oh, also, how often do you "bid"?

you can transfer out of the base, yes. They have a 6 month base commitment, but an upgrade (or base transfer) could surpass that time. There is a time requirement for the upgrade but it can be waived with a line check. Bids usually go every 6 weeks or so.

jtrain609 · February 20th, 2009, 17:57

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Originally Posted by scooter2525

you can transfer out of the base, yes. They have a 6 month base commitment, but an upgrade (or base transfer) could surpass that time. There is a time requirement for the upgrade but it can be waived with a line check. Bids usually go every 6 weeks or so.

Not really true.

Amflight will move you if they need you, but if they don't want to move you (even if you're senior enough to hold the transfer) you won't be moved and they'll cite seniority.

Put simply if the company needs you to move, and you're willing then you'll move. If the company needs you to move, and you're unwilling, then you'll move. The company has almost absolute control over what they can do to you.

Now that being said, I've never seen them be THAT harsh to people, but understand they can do whatever they want to you. There's no contract, there's no union, and there's no way for you to assure that you'll get what you bid even if you can hold it.

CRJDriver · February 20th, 2009, 18:24

Well, I put my stuff in for the FO position on the EMB-120 out of CVG. Pay is not great, but I need a job and stay current. I'm sure there are tons of my fellow furloughed Comair co-workers doing the same

I uploaded my resume via the web site, because I kept getting a "page not found" after putting my flight times in the flight grid.

Does anyone have an email address for Sylvia or whoever is collecting resume I can email it to?

E_Dawg · February 20th, 2009, 18:31

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Originally Posted by TheAlchemist

I live in Anaheim and I fly for an aerial mapping company, and I'm currently shooting Ventura County. I fly over kbur everyday. I could land there any day or drive in on a day off. I just wanted to get some feedback to see what you think.

Thanks

Wear a suit an tie, roll up there and ask to talk to someone in the flight department or recruiting. If you are lucky enough to run into the right guy (whoever that is these days), things could go very well for you.

February 19th, 2009, 05:51	#51
E_Dawg Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: usa Posts: 5,211	Re: Ameriflight, Cheiftan, BE99, and SA227 Captains.... Turnover is high. Some positions/bases/assignments are like black holes, you can get in but can't get out. That's why they advertise for pilots regularly. A good number wash out of training - sounds simple but: make sure you're up to speed on basic IFR stuff if you go there. That cannot be emphasized enough.

February 19th, 2009, 17:49	#58
CDNPilotDave Junior Member Join Date: Aug 2003 Location: Redding CA Posts: 128	Re: Ameriflight, Cheiftan, BE99, and SA227 Captains.... Is anyone familiar with Amflights policies/procedures on a) training washouts and b) quitting to get out of 'black hole outposts', and subsequent attempts at being hired?

February 19th, 2009, 21:02	#61
TheAlchemist Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 745	Re: Ameriflight, Cheiftan, BE99, and SA227 Captains.... JTrain, maybe you can answer my question. Would it be alright if I go to Ameriflight and turn in my resume in person? Or do they not like that? Thanks

February 19th, 2009, 23:34	#62
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 15,547	Re: Ameriflight, Cheiftan, BE99, and SA227 Captains.... Man, I couldn't tell you, mostly because I've never seen anybody do that. I've had people send e-mails for me, and I've walked in resumes myself before when I worked there (which was the quickest way to get somebody a call), but I've never seen somebody roll up to the crystal palace (if they could even find the damned place) and hand in a resume. Are you far from Burbank? __________________ N6869R, on another radio, contact clearance for new airways...

February 20th, 2009, 00:13	#63
TheAlchemist Senior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 745	Re: Ameriflight, Cheiftan, BE99, and SA227 Captains.... I live in Anaheim and I fly for an aerial mapping company, and I'm currently shooting Ventura County. I fly over kbur everyday. I could land there any day or drive in on a day off. I just wanted to get some feedback to see what you think. Thanks

February 20th, 2009, 00:15	#64
skatergeek Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: PHX Posts: 102	Re: Ameriflight, Cheiftan, BE99, and SA227 Captains.... Ok, I have a few questions. Is OAK really that bad of a base? I live in PHX and would like to be back here sooner rather than later. If OAK based, is it hard to move out? even for a PHX out station? Also, does anyone know how often the PHX outstations open up? I'm gonna have to commute until I go crazy or can be back in the PHX area...if hired of coarse... __________________ CFI.CFII.MEI Dyslexia - 4 out of 3 pilots have it.

February 20th, 2009, 09:51	#68
jtrain609 Old Skool Join Date: Feb 2002 Location: Ann Arbor, MI Posts: 15,547	Re: Ameriflight, Cheiftan, BE99, and SA227 Captains.... And you won't really be able to commute, or at least it'd be really, really, really hard. There's no union, no commuter policy, and commuting is not recommended. I've known people that have done it, but I think they were freakin' crazy. One guy lived in his truck in Burbank for a year while flying back to Salt Lake on the weekends. __________________ N6869R, on another radio, contact clearance for new airways...

February 20th, 2009, 11:46	#69
HVYMETALDRVR Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Miami Posts: 208	Re: Ameriflight, Cheiftan, BE99, and SA227 Captains.... Well from what I've heard about them I think i could stay there for awhile...

February 20th, 2009, 14:44	#70
scooter2525 Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: beehive Posts: 1,027 Blog Entries: 1	Re: Ameriflight, Cheiftan, BE99, and SA227 Captains.... It's doable on the weekends. SWA has a lot of flights to PHX, SLC etc so make sure you solid on the loads. OAK seems to be moving people up really quick. It is possible to move to PHX after being based in OAK, but expect it to run anywhere from 8 months - 1 year. Training is about 4 weeks. Someone said earlier to brush up on IFR and I would reiterate that. Spend 5-10 hours in a sim and that would help a ton. Good luck all. Oh and call sliva. jtrain, I dropped a resume in person.

February 20th, 2009, 15:19	#71
skatergeek Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Location: PHX Posts: 102	Re: Ameriflight, Cheiftan, BE99, and SA227 Captains.... Ya, I know I'd be crazy for commuting...but, I'm stuck in here for another year and a half (wife in nursing school). So if hired, and I go to OAK, I can bid for something else right? And I should get it if I'm the highest person bidding for it? Is there a flight time requirement to upgrade to the BE99 or just who ever bids it? I know it will be A LONG time to upgrade, I'm just curious. Oh, also, how often do you "bid"? __________________ CFI.CFII.MEI Dyslexia - 4 out of 3 pilots have it.

February 20th, 2009, 18:24	#74
CRJDriver Old Skool Join Date: Jan 2004 Location: KBOI Posts: 2,185	Re: Ameriflight, Cheiftan, BE99, and SA227 Captains.... Well, I put my stuff in for the FO position on the EMB-120 out of CVG. Pay is not great, but I need a job and stay current. I'm sure there are tons of my fellow furloughed Comair co-workers doing the same I uploaded my resume via the web site, because I kept getting a "page not found" after putting my flight times in the flight grid. Does anyone have an email address for Sylvia or whoever is collecting resume I can email it to?

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