Empire Airlines

[skatergeek]

Found this on Empire's website.

C208 Captains for Spokane, WA & Anchorage, AK.

2000 TT
1000 PIC
500 XC
100 Night
75 Inst

Is there anybody on here that works for Empire? I have a few questions about them.

[juskl]

I do not work for them, but if you look at their website, they require 50 hours flight time in actual IMC.... Which me living in Az, would take ohhhh about 10 plus years.... though I would like to work for them....

[ppragman]

I want that job so much, but am 250hrs short of the TT requirement, gaaawwd that's a good job.

[ander8ae]

Originally Posted by juskl

I do not work for them, but if you look at their website, they require 50 hours flight time in actual IMC.... Which me living in Az, would take ohhhh about 10 plus years.... though I would like to work for them....

I'm pretty sure they mean 50 instrument in an actual airplane, not 50 actual IMC. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Originally Posted by ppragman

I want that job so much, but am 250hrs short of the TT requirement, gaaawwd that's a good job.

I'm in the same boat, 125TT short. Maybe next time.

[TallFlyer]

Originally Posted by ppragman

I want that job so much, but am 250hrs short of the TT requirement, gaaawwd that's a good job.

Eh, apply anyway. It doesn't pay nearly as much as other AK Van jobs though.......

[ppragman]

Can't, they need 2000TT for the fedex requirement. As for other AK van jobs, they usually don't have you home every night.

[TallFlyer]

Originally Posted by ppragman

Can't, they need 2000TT for the fedex requirement. As for other AK van jobs, they usually don't have you home every night.

Grant could.......

From flyalaska.com

Posted Jan. 10: Job closes January 16 get on this one quickly.
Cessna Caravan Captain, Part 135, ANC
Location: ANCHORAGE Alaska USA
Salary Range: Neg-Neg
Contact: Human Resources
Email: employment@empireairlines.com
To Apply: click here Job Desc: Commercial pilot certificate with instrument and SEL rating, 2nd class medical, 1000 TT, 500 PIC, 100 MEL, and IFR current. Must indicate actual flying time within the last 90 days and last 6 months. Job closes 01/16/2009.

It looks like they confused the ATR FO mins and the Caravan mins.....

[Boris Badenov]

I'm pretty sure bajthejino works for them. Hope I didn't out him without permission, but you might try PMing him.

I'd go to work for them in a heartbeat if I didn't think my current gig would stay afloat for the next ~3 years. The music is about to stop in a big way. Everybody find a chair.

Good luck.

[RPJ]

$50,440.00 is the most you can make after 13 years of service? Are these pay tables accurate? Pay link

[Boris Badenov]

fifty grand for flying from a hub to an outstation, taking a nap, and heading home? I know at least a few guys who would jump at that, especially given the job security involved.

It's my understanding, though, that a lot of van captains will eventually go to the ATR, where they're pay protected as F/Os.

[Offload Complete]

Excuse my ignorance but what do you mean when you mention Van captains moving to the ATR for pay protection? Does this indicate that ATR F/Os have seniority over Van drivers?

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by TallFlyer

Grant could.......

From flyalaska.com

Posted Jan. 10: Job closes January 16 get on this one quickly.
Cessna Caravan Captain, Part 135, ANC
Location: ANCHORAGE Alaska USA
Salary Range: Neg-Neg
Contact: Human Resources
Email: employment@empireairlines.com
To Apply: click here Job Desc: Commercial pilot certificate with instrument and SEL rating, 2nd class medical, 1000 TT, 500 PIC, 100 MEL, and IFR current. Must indicate actual flying time within the last 90 days and last 6 months. Job closes 01/16/2009.

It looks like they confused the ATR FO mins and the Caravan mins.....

Grant won't put you in the van without an ATP (that's right boys, an ATP) that's from the CP himself, so I'm hosed for now, otherwise I'd be more than slightly tempted to bush it for a winter and then come back to Anchorage. Plus, the van sched in Anc sucks (20-on, 10-off, unless they changed it). I'd be all over grant if I could drive the van there. I'm getting a little bored with single piston VFR pic other than the pay.

[texas_pilot]

Until recently, FedEx feeders could squeak in short of the 2,000 hours.
I'd apply anyway.

[Boris Badenov]

Originally Posted by Offload Complete

Excuse my ignorance but what do you mean when you mention Van captains moving to the ATR for pay protection? Does this indicate that ATR F/Os have seniority over Van drivers?

To the best of my understanding, Empire is non-union so there is no "seniority". But if you were a Van driver first, you earn Van pay when you go to the right seat of the ATR, rather than F/O pay. I could be totally wrong about all of this.

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by texas_pilot

Until recently, FedEx feeders could squeak in short of the 2,000 hours.
I'd apply anyway.

Really? I'll have to check that out.

[BajtheJino]

Originally Posted by Boris Badenov

I'm pretty sure bajthejino works for them. Hope I didn't out him without permission, but you might try PMing him.

I'd go to work for them in a heartbeat if I didn't think my current gig would stay afloat for the next ~3 years. The music is about to stop in a big way. Everybody find a chair.

Good luck.

No worries. I work for the other FedEx feeder. Pretty much the same gig, except we get paid slightly more.

[TallFlyer]

Originally Posted by ppragman

Grant won't put you in the van without an ATP (that's right boys, an ATP) that's from the CP himself

True, but that's an insurance requirement. The CP would love to put 1200 hour guys in the Van if he could. Doesn't help you at all, I know.....

otherwise I'd be more than slightly tempted to bush it for a winter and then come back to Anchorage.

He'd probably put oyu in a 207 in a heartbeat, although I don't think you'd make much more than where you are now.

Plus, the van sched in Anc sucks (20-on, 10-off, unless they changed it).

Well, speaking for me personally, I'd love that schedule. Home every night and ten days straight off a month, where do I sign up?

BTW, first year Van pay for Grant in ANC would be 5K a month, assuming you fly 100 hours a month. First year in the Van in the bush would be 6K a month, assuming you work 20 days and fly 100 hours in a month.

[Offload Complete]

Who can summarize how the training contract works? Is it as simple as being charged money if you quit the company before 18 months (newhire) expires?

Also, what does training consist of for the Van and ATR? Typed? In-house program?

[skatergeek]

Originally Posted by BajtheJino

No worries. I work for the other FedEx feeder. Pretty much the same gig, except we get paid slightly more.

Which one would that be? I've been looking into a lot of them, they all seem to have different mins. Anyone know why that is?

[Jbroz04]

I had a conversation with a MAC van pilot today and he said that to be captain on the van you must have 2000 TT as required by Fedex since they own the planes. If you have less time and are hired you will be thrown in the ATR as a F/O making way less than you would as a Van captain. As far as Van captains moving over to ATR's and having protected pay he said that goes for MAC also. Basically you stay at what you were making as a Van captain instead of bumping down to the ATR F/O pay. My goal is to hopefully spend a good chunk of my career flying for hopefully MAC or any other the Fedex feeders such as empire, westwinds etc. Decent pay and at MAC some runs are only mon-thurs. Allows you to have a life outside of work. Plus I have no desire to go fly heavy iron, Vans and ATRs will do just fine for me.

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by TallFlyer

True, but that's an insurance requirement. The CP would love to put 1200 hour guys in the Van if he could. Doesn't help you at all, I know.....


He'd probably put oyu in a 207 in a heartbeat, although I don't think you'd make much more than where you are now.


Well, speaking for me personally, I'd love that schedule. Home every night and ten days straight off a month, where do I sign up?

BTW, first year Van pay for Grant in ANC would be 5K a month, assuming you fly 100 hours a month. First year in the Van in the bush would be 6K a month, assuming you work 20 days and fly 100 hours in a month.

I doubt it, too dangerous at 1200TT

[TallFlyer]

Originally Posted by ppragman

I doubt it, too dangerous at 1200TT

And 1500 hours is that much safer? The Van is a lot easier to fly than the 207 anyway.

[Nick]

How keen do you think they might be on hiring someone with zero Alaska time and zero turbo-propeller time? (but surpasses the mins with 1200 piston and 1000PIC and 1500 jet)

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by TallFlyer

And 1500 hours is that much safer? The Van is a lot easier to fly than the 207 anyway.

Nope, but about 2000hrs is a better number. That's about what hageland is putting down on the dotted line for upgrade into the van on average, or more. I sincerely doubt that Grant would put you in the van at 1500TT either, you'd have to come there with at least 1000TT, and then a year to a year and a half later you'd upgrade, count on like 2000-2500TT before you're in the van.

I remember how I was at 1200hrs, hell, that was last summer, and I'm much more cautious and cognizant of things now than I was then, in another 500TT I'm sure I'll think the same way about my time now, but at least I'll be more cautious.

[TallFlyer]

Originally Posted by Nick

How keen do you think they might be on hiring someone with zero Alaska time and zero turbo-propeller time? (but surpasses the mins with 1200 piston and 1000PIC and 1500 jet)

If you're talking about Empire I doubt AK time would be much of an issue. You'd be doing IFR flying to two or three different destinations.

If you're talking about other bush operators I have no idea. Obviously you're not the average 1000 hour wonder but again you've never done the whole sled into 1500 feet thing either. It would really depend on who you talk too and when you talk to them. If you were standing in a CP's office with those kinds of times and he had a need you could probably find your way in. Don't count on just emailing your resume off from the lower 48 to a bunch of operators and expecting an offer sight unseen. Not saying it would never happen, but don't count on it.

BTW, 29 deg in ANC right now, heat wave!