Great Lakes 1900 FO

[MFT1Air]

Why do you have to be 21? At 18 I'm more mature than some friends in their late 20s.

Originally Posted by mtsu_av8er

By virtue of the fact that you said that, you're not.

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Originally Posted by jml2992
Because they will expect you to upgrade within 2 years. There were guys that started there and went through upgrade in less than a year when I was tossing bags and working on my CFI. It's not a matter of maturity as much as it is a requirement for the regulation to get your ATP certificate.

Makes sense

You're right; good perspective. Someone older and less incisive would have said something like "change the age." A good indicator that, when you turn 21, you'll have the age, maturity, and "requirement" to apply.

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by MFT1Air

You're right; good perspective. Someone older and less incisive would have said something like "change the age." A good indicator that, when you turn 21, you'll have the age, maturity, and "requirement" to apply.

I think that the ATP should be the same as ICAO standards, 23 is kind of funny in that respect. Of course, I have a personal stake in the affair.

[Bandit_Driver]

Originally Posted by ppragman

I think that the ATP should be the same as ICAO standards, 23 is kind of funny in that respect. Of course, I have a personal stake in the affair.

The FAA is slooooooooowly moving towards ICAO standards
We know have the useless SIC TYPE RATING & ENGLISH PROFICIENT on our Licenses.

[Bandit_Driver]

Originally Posted by ppragman

Not really. I dunno, there's a glass ceiling for young people in aviation that the rest of the world doesn't have, and frankly, its ########. If I'm safe enough to be an ATP in Canada why aren't I safe enough to be an ATP in the U.S.? Is Canada a dangerous place to ride on airplane? Ehhhhhh nope. Its the arbitrariness that sucks. To combat this, in the old days, the FAA had a program of issuing a "Letter of Aeronautical Competency" which could be turned in on your 23 birthday for a full fledged ATP, and allowed you to at least meet the insurance requirements so you could get a decent job. I called the FSDO when I broke 1500TT and had ATP mins a few months ago, and they practically laughed at me, "heh, we haven't done that since the late 80's, I don't even know if we have the forms anymore." Lame.

If you have time to kill, you may want to put a call into AOPA and see what they have to say on the issue

[BillErvin]

Setting the age for the ATP is probably arbitrary at best. I've known 40 year old guys that had the maturity and decision making skills of a 3 year old, that being said, they have to make a cutoff somewhere. Not saying it's right, just the way it is.

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by Bandit_Driver

If you have time to kill, you may want to put a call into AOPA and see what they have to say on the issue

The irony is, if I got a hold of AOPA, and the FSDO, etc. by the time any policy change was implemented, I'd probably be over 23 and it wouldn't matter for me, however, I've thought on numerous occasions about it. Maybe I will get ahold of AOPA.

[Ami]

I got two (!!) e-mails from them asking me to call for an interview. I called about 6 days ago and haven't heard a thing yet...

[Socal321]

Originally Posted by JulietBravo

Just had my stuff walked in last Friday.. just waiting by the phone now...

Same here except mine were by multiple "internet" buddies and about 2 months ago, I've pretty much lost hope as I really think it all has to do with luck and what the CP happens to have infront of them at that moment when he/she deceides to hire someone. Really unfortunate when you know someone got an invite with less experience, oh well.

[CaptainCrickettMan]

Originally Posted by slpilot

Anybody willing to help a brother out and PM me and see if you could walk my resume in?

This would be a very great act of kindness, given that it is the holidays and a time for generosity. How about a six pack of the finest German beer in exchange? Anybody?......Anybody?......Buller?.....Buller? >cricketts chirping<

[CFIT99]

i threw my resume in there...considering i dont know anyone there, had no one walk it in and am short on the total time...i'd say my odds are...amusing

hey at least they have my resume in the "database"

[aloft]

Originally Posted by ABP52380

Two months plus of unpaid training. $17K+- year if you make it thru. Resume on it's way!

Yikes. Do they at least cover lodging and per diem during training?

[Milesar]

Originally Posted by aloft

Yikes. Do they at least cover lodging and per diem during training?

Rooms (shared) are provided during training, no per diem however... Your hire date is the day you pass your checkride.

[ILLpilot]

Originally Posted by ABP52380

Two months plus of unpaid training. $17K+- year if you make it thru. Resume on it's way!

How do you figure 17k? I crunched the numbers on airlinepilotcentral and it came out $14,400.

[ILLpilot]

Originally Posted by ppragman

Not really. I dunno, there's a glass ceiling for young people in aviation that the rest of the world doesn't have, and frankly, its ########. If I'm safe enough to be an ATP in Canada why aren't I safe enough to be an ATP in the U.S.? Is Canada a dangerous place to ride on airplane? Ehhhhhh nope. Its the arbitrariness that sucks. To combat this, in the old days, the FAA had a program of issuing a "Letter of Aeronautical Competency" which could be turned in on your 23 birthday for a full fledged ATP, and allowed you to at least meet the insurance requirements so you could get a decent job. I called the FSDO when I broke 1500TT and had ATP mins a few months ago, and they practically laughed at me, "heh, we haven't done that since the late 80's, I don't even know if we have the forms anymore." Lame.

There are some valid points here. I recall a good friend of mine (Worked for the ALPA Safety committee at his airline) being very impressed with the Canadian approach on Safety. I actually was able to participate in a Canadian checkride (Sim partner was from Canada and they flew the Canadian representative in to administer the checkride) and the main difference I saw (Which I liked) was the focus on BOTH crew members (Whereas the FAA focuses primarily on the guy in the left seat)

Just my $.02

[ILLpilot]

Originally Posted by Milesar

Rooms (shared) are provided during training, no per diem however... Your hire date is the day you pass your checkride.

Are the lines commutable? Do you guys have a commuter clause?

[ppragman]

Originally Posted by ILLpilot

There are some valid points here. I recall a good friend of mine (Worked for the ALPA Safety committee at his airline) being very impressed with the Canadian approach on Safety. I actually was able to participate in a Canadian checkride (Sim partner was from Canada and they flew the Canadian representative in to administer the checkride) and the main difference I saw (Which I liked) was the focus on BOTH crew members (Whereas the FAA focuses primarily on the guy in the left seat)

Just my $.02

The Canucks are GREAT. I've seen them work in the cockpit, and they're very very efficient and CRM oriented, but with a very good emphasis on stick and rudder skills. I like their system, but am a little tired of the cold. Lol.