Air Safety Flight Academy

azpilot84 · May 17th, 2008, 01:48

This was posted on findapilot.com on 4/8/08

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Air Safety Flight Academy is a international leader in training commercial airline pilots. We are seeking 20 additional highly-motivated flight instructors to instruct professional flight students. Our CFIs average 100-120 hours per month of flight time. Our students and instructors train on some the most technically advanced equipment in the world including our glass equipped Cirrus SR-20 aircraft and our Advanced Aviation Training Devices (AATDs) with wrap-around visuals and glass cockpits.

The Commercial Pilot certificate is required. The CFI, CFII and MEI are preferred but not required. For those who hold a Commercial Pilot Certificate but do not yet hold a CFI Certificate, the CFI, CFII, and MEI can all be obtained free of charge for those willing to take a reduced salary during their first year. For those who hold only a CFI Certificate, the CFII and MEI can also be obtained free of charge for those also willing to take a reduced salary during their first year.

Flight Instructor Compensation

Compensation for our flight instructors is one of the highest in the country. Flight instructors are paid a starting salary of $40,000 per year. Increases in salary are realized through additional flight experience and additional responsibility. In addition to great pay and benefits, an abundance of Multi-Engine hours are available to all MEIs. Excellent advancement opportunities are available for any career flight instructor. In addition, as an added benefit, we do not ask or require our CFIs to commit to work for Air Safety for any minimum period of time. We would prefer our instructors to stay with us long term but realize in the aviation industry that some instructors want to move on and we support them on their endeavors.

Company Benefits

Our benefits package is one of the most extensive in the industry which includes:
Health Insurance
Dental/Vision Insurance
Health Savings Account
401K Program
Paid Holidays
Paid Vacation
Paid Sick Leave
Contact Information

Air Safety Flight Academy
9520 W. Palm Ln., Suite 200, Phoenix, AZ 85037
Tel: (623)872-8851, ext. 207
Fax: (623)872-8863
Email: dpinkston@airsafetyacademy.com
Web Site: http://www.airsafetyacademy.com

I emailed and asked about come with only CSEL:
"We have several options for you. Probably the best would be for you to join us at a salary of $31,000 your first year and we would give your CFI right away and your CFII at 400 hours of dual given. After 1 year we would then bump you to $40,000 or more.

The other option is for you to pay for your multi add on with us and then we can give you the CFI, CFII and MEI with a salary of $25,000 your first year."

JJ429PA · May 17th, 2008, 08:36

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"We have several options for you. Probably the best would be for you to join us at a salary of $31,000 your first year and we would give your CFI right away and your CFII at 400 hours of dual given. After 1 year we would then bump you to $40,000 or more.

The other option is for you to pay for your multi add on with us and then we can give you the CFI, CFII and MEI with a salary of $25,000 your first year."

Wait...why would they pay you $31,000 AND give you the CFI if you don't have multi, but only $25,000 if you pay them to get your multi there? Seems like that should be the other way around.

I talked with them too and he told me you'd pay for the CFI initially, then get reimbursed for it if they hire you and start at $25,000 the first year.

azpilot84 · May 25th, 2008, 02:20

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Originally Posted by JJ429PA

Wait...why would they pay you $31,000 AND give you the CFI if you don't have multi, but only $25,000 if you pay them to get your multi there? Seems like that should be the other way around.

I talked with them too and he told me you'd pay for the CFI initially, then get reimbursed for it if they hire you and start at $25,000 the first year.

I didn't get it either but that's what the man told me...

CRJ700 · May 26th, 2008, 14:39

Does anyone know if this place is legit?

JJ429PA · May 26th, 2008, 20:30

Yeah it's legit. I have a friend who's been instructing there for about 6 months and likes it. It's mostly (if not entirely) foreign students but the pay is decent and the aircraft are in good shape. I'm planning to jump on the CFI wagon there shortly.

cfii2007 · May 26th, 2008, 20:41

So $40,000 if you have your CFI......$31,000 without?

If I read that right they are essentially "charging" $9000 for the CFI?

Why not just do the CFI at Sheble or some other accelerated school and earn the higher wage? It is much cheaper........

kgflyboy · May 26th, 2008, 20:52

It looks like the $9000 will get you the CFI and CFII, so if the info and my understanding iare correct it's like paying $9000 for A CFI and a CFII, which is slightly more reasonable than what you implied. But still, I agree that getting your CFI, CFII, and MEI before starting appears to be the most economical path to take.

It looks like if you get your CFI, CFII, and MEI from them after being hired, it's going to cost you about $15000... which seems even more excessive.

JJ429PA · May 27th, 2008, 09:53

It sounds fishy at first but it's kind of their alternative to an employment contract. Other places will start you at $35,000 right away but require you to sign a 1 or 2 year commitment in exchange for the CFI. Here you pay for the CFI first, then are reimbursed for it AND started at $25,000 with no contract.

I really don't think it's a bad deal at all.

number_twelve · May 27th, 2008, 11:34

$9000 for a CFI and CFII in my eyes isn't a bad deal when you consider all of us who have financed our flight training. I'd be more than happy to take a smaller amount of pay versus MORE loans. Add on an interest rate to a reasonable CFI/CFII program and I'm sure you'll be close to nine grand, spread out over many extra years.

kgflyboy · May 28th, 2008, 20:02

I'm planning to get my CSEL this summer. I know what it's like to take out loans for flight training, and this does seem like a reasonable alternative to more loans. I am considering applying within the next year. I have a degree in education, have taught science (grades 9-12) for 2 years, and I would really like to transition to teaching what I truely enjoy... flying planes! Does anybody happen to know if experience and a degree in teaching will help down the road when applying for CFI jobs... or any other jobs in aviation for that matter?

jdlilfan · May 28th, 2008, 20:27

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Originally Posted by kgflyboy

I'm planning to get my CSEL this summer. I know what it's like to take out loans for flight training, and this does seem like a reasonable alternative to more loans. I am considering applying within the next year. I have a degree in education, have taught science (grades 9-12) for 2 years, and I would really like to transition to teaching what I truely enjoy... flying planes! Does anybody happen to know if experience and a degree in teaching will help down the road when applying for CFI jobs... or any other jobs in aviation for that matter?

It will help with your CFI. Correct me if I'm wrong but a teachers license qualifies for not having to take the FOI right?

kgflyboy · May 28th, 2008, 22:24

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Originally Posted by jdlilfan

It will help with your CFI. Correct me if I'm wrong but a teachers license qualifies for not having to take the FOI right?

I haven't heard that before, but it sounds pretty cool. Hopefully someone else can offer further insight. In the meantime, I will try to do a little research.

fish1260 · May 28th, 2008, 22:49

If you have a teaching certificate allowing you to teach beyond the 7th grade level then you are exempt from taking the FOI. That is from the Gleim CFI test prep book, I don't know the FAA reference.

I talked to these guys on the phone just after they put this ad out in April. The whole pay structure depending on certificates is still confusing, but one important thing to keep in mind (and you will learn this if you actually talk to them) is that unless you already hold your CFI then you will not be technically hired until you training is complete, and there is no assurance of this. You would simply call them and get in their CFI training class (30 day syllabus), and upon completion they will consider your for a position. Payment for their initial CFI class is made up front and i was told $6500. That $6500 would be reimbursed if you are hired.

For what its worth, I cannot recall the name of the person who I spoke with there, but I got the impression that they were a management/operations type rather than an instructor.

number_twelve · May 29th, 2008, 10:51

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Originally Posted by fish1260

You would simply call them and get in their CFI training class (30 day syllabus), and upon completion they will consider your for a position. Payment for their initial CFI class is made up front and i was told $6500. That $6500 would be reimbursed if you are hired.

So I'd get my $6500 back and take a $9000 pay cut the first year?

There are places out there that will HIRE commercial rated pilots and then train them.

CirrusMonkey · May 29th, 2008, 11:54

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Originally Posted by jdlilfan

It will help with your CFI. Correct me if I'm wrong but a teachers license qualifies for not having to take the FOI right?

Correct, which saves you (depending on where you take the written and who you do you initial with) $90.00 and about 15 minutes during the oral.

Shhhh, not while im flyin · May 30th, 2008, 23:02

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Originally Posted by number_twelve

There are places out there that will HIRE commercial rated pilots and then train them.

such as.......

JJ429PA · May 31st, 2008, 08:39

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So I'd get my $6500 back and take a $9000 pay cut the first year?

$30,000 is still pretty good pay for a new CFI. There are lots of other places out there that will pay less and not train you.

CLEVERK1 · June 1st, 2008, 00:32

Are they still hiring CFIs?
Haven´t seen an ad from them for a while now.

Any info is appreciated.

Greets

cfii2007 · June 2nd, 2008, 17:39

Yes...still hiring..

number_twelve · June 3rd, 2008, 17:38

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Originally Posted by Shhhh, not while im flyin

such as.......

PM sent.

ozziecat35 · June 4th, 2008, 00:59

Yes, Still hiring...I got my PPL / and Instrument there last year...getting geared up to do the CSEL / CMEL this summer, and doing the whole CFI deal...KGEU is an easy airport to fly out of...relatively easy to get to Wickenburg for some empty airport pattern work, or only about 20 minutes down to Casa Grande for the ILS'. Just know what you're getting into before inking anything on paper.

azpilot84 · June 4th, 2008, 09:17

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Originally Posted by number_twelve

PM sent.

Any chance you could shoot me that PM as well?

Champcar · June 4th, 2008, 09:31

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Originally Posted by ozziecat35

Yes, Still hiring...I got my PPL / and Instrument there last year...getting geared up to do the CSEL / CMEL this summer, and doing the whole CFI deal...KGEU is an easy airport to fly out of...relatively easy to get to Wickenburg for some empty airport pattern work, or only about 20 minutes down to Casa Grande for the ILS'. Just know what you're getting into before inking anything on paper.

I see you're on the 3 year program like the rest of us where.

SeattlePilot · June 4th, 2008, 11:00

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Originally Posted by number_twelve

There are places out there that will HIRE commercial rated pilots and then train them.

Not for long..

Codyjp · June 5th, 2008, 01:46

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Originally Posted by jdlilfan

It will help with your CFI. Correct me if I'm wrong but a teachers license qualifies for not having to take the FOI right?

there is a reg regarding something close to that. It will save you a whole half day of studying.

May 26th, 2008, 14:39	#4
CRJ700 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2004 Location: BOS/GFK Posts: 296	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy Does anyone know if this place is legit?

May 26th, 2008, 20:30	#5
JJ429PA Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 67	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy Yeah it's legit. I have a friend who's been instructing there for about 6 months and likes it. It's mostly (if not entirely) foreign students but the pay is decent and the aircraft are in good shape. I'm planning to jump on the CFI wagon there shortly. __________________ All I remember is something about a potato with flames...

May 26th, 2008, 20:41	#6
cfii2007 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,234	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy So $40,000 if you have your CFI......$31,000 without? If I read that right they are essentially "charging" $9000 for the CFI? Why not just do the CFI at Sheble or some other accelerated school and earn the higher wage? It is much cheaper........

May 26th, 2008, 20:52	#7
kgflyboy Newbie Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: kansas city Posts: 17	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy It looks like the $9000 will get you the CFI and CFII, so if the info and my understanding iare correct it's like paying $9000 for A CFI and a CFII, which is slightly more reasonable than what you implied. But still, I agree that getting your CFI, CFII, and MEI before starting appears to be the most economical path to take. It looks like if you get your CFI, CFII, and MEI from them after being hired, it's going to cost you about $15000... which seems even more excessive.

May 27th, 2008, 09:53	#8
JJ429PA Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2007 Posts: 67	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy It sounds fishy at first but it's kind of their alternative to an employment contract. Other places will start you at $35,000 right away but require you to sign a 1 or 2 year commitment in exchange for the CFI. Here you pay for the CFI first, then are reimbursed for it AND started at $25,000 with no contract. I really don't think it's a bad deal at all. __________________ All I remember is something about a potato with flames...

May 27th, 2008, 11:34	#9
number_twelve Newbie Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Midwest Posts: 21	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy $9000 for a CFI and CFII in my eyes isn't a bad deal when you consider all of us who have financed our flight training. I'd be more than happy to take a smaller amount of pay versus MORE loans. Add on an interest rate to a reasonable CFI/CFII program and I'm sure you'll be close to nine grand, spread out over many extra years.

May 28th, 2008, 20:02	#10
kgflyboy Newbie Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: kansas city Posts: 17	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy I'm planning to get my CSEL this summer. I know what it's like to take out loans for flight training, and this does seem like a reasonable alternative to more loans. I am considering applying within the next year. I have a degree in education, have taught science (grades 9-12) for 2 years, and I would really like to transition to teaching what I truely enjoy... flying planes! Does anybody happen to know if experience and a degree in teaching will help down the road when applying for CFI jobs... or any other jobs in aviation for that matter?

May 28th, 2008, 22:49	#13
fish1260 Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Location: PDX Posts: 49	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy If you have a teaching certificate allowing you to teach beyond the 7th grade level then you are exempt from taking the FOI. That is from the Gleim CFI test prep book, I don't know the FAA reference. I talked to these guys on the phone just after they put this ad out in April. The whole pay structure depending on certificates is still confusing, but one important thing to keep in mind (and you will learn this if you actually talk to them) is that unless you already hold your CFI then you will not be technically hired until you training is complete, and there is no assurance of this. You would simply call them and get in their CFI training class (30 day syllabus), and upon completion they will consider your for a position. Payment for their initial CFI class is made up front and i was told $6500. That $6500 would be reimbursed if you are hired. For what its worth, I cannot recall the name of the person who I spoke with there, but I got the impression that they were a management/operations type rather than an instructor.

June 1st, 2008, 00:32	#18
CLEVERK1 Newbie Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 27	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy Are they still hiring CFIs? Haven´t seen an ad from them for a while now. Any info is appreciated. Greets

June 2nd, 2008, 17:39	#19
cfii2007 Senior Member Join Date: Jun 2007 Posts: 1,234	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy Yes...still hiring..

June 4th, 2008, 00:59	#21
ozziecat35 Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: KGEU Posts: 126	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy Yes, Still hiring...I got my PPL / and Instrument there last year...getting geared up to do the CSEL / CMEL this summer, and doing the whole CFI deal...KGEU is an easy airport to fly out of...relatively easy to get to Wickenburg for some empty airport pattern work, or only about 20 minutes down to Casa Grande for the ILS'. Just know what you're getting into before inking anything on paper. __________________ PP-ASEL Instrument Airplane "Worrying is like a rocking chair, it gives you something to do, but doesn't get you anywhere....write that down." -Van Wilder-

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