Air Safety Flight Academy - Page 3

Champcar · August 15th, 2008, 09:33

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Originally Posted by rickdb

I would just like to add my two cents to the discussion. I am currently an instructor at AirSafety Academy in Glendale. I think it is a great place to instruct, and you definitely get a ton of hours. They have tons of aircraft on the way, and the new director of training is outstanding. Some of my friends that I attended flight school with started instructing there months ago, when it was a small operation acquiring Indian and Chinese contracts, and said it was a mess because they were growing so fast. Now things are coming to fruition and beginning to gel. I would highly recommend coming here for the following reasons: Good pay, you make your own schedule, and they are moving in a positive direction. In my opinion, it is a great place to instruct.

The had tons of Cirrus's on the way 2 years ago, then tons of Cessna's on the way last year also.

ozziecat35 · August 19th, 2008, 15:27

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Originally Posted by Millerspal

Oh no...I am just telling anyone else reading these posts to do their homework. Champcar already has his mind made up about the place, or at least the owner...but negativity from him can also make it easy for other pilots to give up on a place. (Not just Air Safety of course)

Old Dominion did the smart thing and visited. Cudos to him.

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Originally Posted by Champcar

Too bad I spent two years there as a student and employee.

And THAT would be your foot in your mouth, Millerspal.....

Priceless....
FWIW, the last time I did any flying at Air Safety was in December of 07 for my instrument checkride. I have no idea who's there or how messed up it is...if it even is messed up. I saw the new building down on I-10 and the Loop 101...pretty nice, good looking simulators...but of course, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig.

Check it out...make up your own mind...just be forewarned.

rbtower2 · August 20th, 2008, 23:21

When you go to their website to check outt he aircraft they fly, all they have is information on the Cirrus. Im sure thats no tall they fly. I wonder why they dont have any other info =(

Millerspal · August 21st, 2008, 00:13

I figure they don't talk about Cessnas because everybody has Cessnas, but very few have a Cirrus. If I had a flight school and had 10 Seminoles and a couple King Airs to train in, I would talk all about the King Airs.

Champcar · August 21st, 2008, 17:12

Quote:

Originally Posted by Millerspal

I figure they don't talk about Cessnas because everybody has Cessnas, but very few have a Cirrus. If I had a flight school and had 10 Seminoles and a couple King Airs to train in, I would talk all about the King Airs.

Their website has not been updated since 2006...No joke.

ozziecat35 · August 25th, 2008, 19:36

I believe there are 2 SR-20's onsite..down from the 6 or 7 or so when I got my PPL there in one of them. Mostly 152's / 172's. 2 Duchess' and 1 or 2 Seminoles....perhaps they got some more twins....

NewbieAirlinePilot · November 25th, 2008, 10:26

Anyone know what this article is all about? I heard they are only paying their CFI's 1/2 the pay rate until they get some more cash... sounds like crap to me...

http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...chool1125.html

Flight school takes holiday

Chinese clients fail to pay, causing cash-flow problem

Nov. 25, 2008 12:00 AM
The Arizona Republic
A flight school at Glendale Municipal Airport is taking "a long holiday" as it resolves a cash-flow shortage reportedly caused by lack of payments.
Air Safety Flight Academy, which employs 100 flight instructors and administrators, and teaches about 200 would-be pilots, is negotiating for $600,000 in payments from Chinese institutions, according to Peter Mountain, the academy's executive vice president.
"There is a cash-flow issue which we are busy overcoming as we speak," Mountain said Monday. The academy, which began operations five years ago, specializes in training international students, with about 80 percent of its business coming from Chinese airlines and universities. In an intense 12- to 13-month program, the school trains students as commercial- and airline-transport pilots.
Mountain said he expects the school to be back on course the first week of December.
"We are determined that we will not fail and we will honor with integrity our contracts," he said.

Invisible Truth · December 5th, 2008, 16:46

Well, here is what I know.
Air Safety was paying $40K a year salary, then it dropped to hourly. $20 an hour, and then the pay was cut to $14 an hour on average (30% pay cut) and then all the instructors got checks that were for minimum wage without notice.

anthenry · February 4th, 2009, 00:06

This place has really gone down hill. A place to avoid at all cost.

http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...Off0383115.htm

http://www.kpho.com/video/18048828/index.html

CirrusMonkey · February 4th, 2009, 23:28

Yeah, we know...

flygirl579 · February 5th, 2009, 01:12

Just wanted to second all of the warnings everyone has put out their about ASFA; don't work for them, don't fly with them, they are a terrible company!!! I know from first-hand, personal experience; the specifics have already been mentioned on this thread, and I can attest that they are all true. Meanwhile, their former employees are still waiting for paychecks from time worked back in November...

anthenry · February 5th, 2009, 22:12

Not only will they not pay us money we earned, but they won't give us our W-2 either.

August 19th, 2008, 15:27	#52
ozziecat35 Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: KGEU / KGYR Posts: 252	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy Quote: Originally Posted by Millerspal Oh no...I am just telling anyone else reading these posts to do their homework. Champcar already has his mind made up about the place, or at least the owner...but negativity from him can also make it easy for other pilots to give up on a place. (Not just Air Safety of course) Old Dominion did the smart thing and visited. Cudos to him. Quote: Originally Posted by Champcar Too bad I spent two years there as a student and employee. And THAT would be your foot in your mouth, Millerspal..... Priceless.... FWIW, the last time I did any flying at Air Safety was in December of 07 for my instrument checkride. I have no idea who's there or how messed up it is...if it even is messed up. I saw the new building down on I-10 and the Loop 101...pretty nice, good looking simulators...but of course, you can put lipstick on a pig, but it's still a pig. Check it out...make up your own mind...just be forewarned. __________________ Small Airplane Thingy.... Cloudy Permission Thingy.... -On the coast of somewhere beautiful.

August 20th, 2008, 23:21	#53
rbtower2 Newbie Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: NY Posts: 11	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy When you go to their website to check outt he aircraft they fly, all they have is information on the Cirrus. Im sure thats no tall they fly. I wonder why they dont have any other info =(

August 21st, 2008, 00:13	#54
Millerspal Newbie Join Date: Jul 2008 Location: the 280 degree radial Posts: 18	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy I figure they don't talk about Cessnas because everybody has Cessnas, but very few have a Cirrus. If I had a flight school and had 10 Seminoles and a couple King Airs to train in, I would talk all about the King Airs.

August 25th, 2008, 19:36	#56
ozziecat35 Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: KGEU / KGYR Posts: 252	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy I believe there are 2 SR-20's onsite..down from the 6 or 7 or so when I got my PPL there in one of them. Mostly 152's / 172's. 2 Duchess' and 1 or 2 Seminoles....perhaps they got some more twins.... __________________ Small Airplane Thingy.... Cloudy Permission Thingy.... -On the coast of somewhere beautiful.

November 25th, 2008, 10:26	#57
NewbieAirlinePilot Junior Member Join Date: May 2006 Location: Phoenix Posts: 92	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy Anyone know what this article is all about? I heard they are only paying their CFI's 1/2 the pay rate until they get some more cash... sounds like crap to me... http://www.azcentral.com/news/articl...chool1125.html Flight school takes holiday Chinese clients fail to pay, causing cash-flow problem Nov. 25, 2008 12:00 AM The Arizona Republic A flight school at Glendale Municipal Airport is taking "a long holiday" as it resolves a cash-flow shortage reportedly caused by lack of payments. Air Safety Flight Academy, which employs 100 flight instructors and administrators, and teaches about 200 would-be pilots, is negotiating for $600,000 in payments from Chinese institutions, according to Peter Mountain, the academy's executive vice president. "There is a cash-flow issue which we are busy overcoming as we speak," Mountain said Monday. The academy, which began operations five years ago, specializes in training international students, with about 80 percent of its business coming from Chinese airlines and universities. In an intense 12- to 13-month program, the school trains students as commercial- and airline-transport pilots. Mountain said he expects the school to be back on course the first week of December. "We are determined that we will not fail and we will honor with integrity our contracts," he said.

December 5th, 2008, 16:46	#58
Invisible Truth Newbie Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Mesa Posts: 1	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy Well, here is what I know. Air Safety was paying $40K a year salary, then it dropped to hourly. $20 an hour, and then the pay was cut to $14 an hour on average (30% pay cut) and then all the instructors got checks that were for minimum wage without notice.

February 4th, 2009, 00:06	#59
anthenry Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: PHX Posts: 95	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy This place has really gone down hill. A place to avoid at all cost. http://www.ripoffreport.com/reports/...Off0383115.htm http://www.kpho.com/video/18048828/index.html

February 4th, 2009, 23:28	#60
CirrusMonkey Senior Member Join Date: Oct 2006 Location: Seattle Posts: 626	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy Yeah, we know...

February 5th, 2009, 01:12	#61
flygirl579 Newbie Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: Phoenix Posts: 1	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy Just wanted to second all of the warnings everyone has put out their about ASFA; don't work for them, don't fly with them, they are a terrible company!!! I know from first-hand, personal experience; the specifics have already been mentioned on this thread, and I can attest that they are all true. Meanwhile, their former employees are still waiting for paychecks from time worked back in November...

February 5th, 2009, 22:12	#62
anthenry Junior Member Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: PHX Posts: 95	Re: Air Safety Flight Academy Not only will they not pay us money we earned, but they won't give us our W-2 either.

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