New Mexico Airlines

[BillErvin]

New Mexico Airlines out of ABQ is looking for C-208 Ca and FOs. Looks Like they are a 135 Passenger outfit. They are part of Pacific Wings.

Captains req. 135 Mins

FOs are below

http://www.pacificwings.com/nma/employment.asp

New Mexico Airlines seeks intelligent, motivated First Officers with excellent aviation, interpersonal and customer service skills.
We need detail oriented, motivated professionals with a desire to provide extreme customer care. This versatile position requires that candidates relocate to New Mexico and learn our major airline reservations system (WorldSpan), along with airport counter, ramp and flying duties.

Minimum requirements are an FAA Commercial Pilot Certificate with Single-Engine and Instrument ratings with 400-1100 total hours logged. Candidates must also be instrument current, and posses a current second class medical.


This is not a pay for training program. First Officers must sign a one year, pro-rated employment contract.


As a New Mexico Airlines First Officer you will learn all aspects of scheduled airline operations, enhancing your industry career potential. Upon reaching FAR 135 IFR minimums, First Officers will be eligible for upgrade to Captain.


New Mexico Airlines crews enjoy jumpseat privileges with several major airlines. For immediate consideration, we invite you to email your resume in confidence to resumes@pacificwings.com. Please include a cover letter stating why you would be the best fit for the Pacific Wings team.

If your qualifications match our needs and criteria, you will be contacted directly by a representative from Flight Operations. New Mexico is an equal opportunity employer. No telephone calls, please.

[FlyingPoke]

Saw a post about this place a few pages back... lots of ranting about bad treatment and having to work a ticket counter...?

If anybody could go into detail about them, being a low-timer I'm very interested in how this company treates their pilots before I submit a resume. Thanks in advance!

[Jeffro]

I don't know anything about this company or Pacific Wings, but what's wrong with working the ticket counter if you are a pilot? I read in a business related book that pilots at Southwest will sometimes help clean the cabin or board passengers so they can get the plane turned around faster. There's nothing wrong with working hard and helping out beyond your official job title.

- Jeff

[MFT1Air]

I read those posts about the Caravan SIC and throwing bags as well. Most of what I've read related strictly to the Pacific Wings, Hawaii. Is the same staff also located in New Mexico as well?

[caliginousface]

A friend of mine was there for a little while. The place isn't run properly, and I believe a law suit is going down.

[BillErvin]

Looks like the same company (Pacific Wings) and MO. Customer Service, bag handler, ticket agent for the first 30 days. Then 208 ground school, fly in between doing everything else.

[Bigey]

Originally Posted by BillErvin

Looks like the same company (Pacific Wings) and MO. Customer Service, bag handler, ticket agent for the first 30 days. Then 208 ground school, fly in between doing everything else.

Not defending it completely, but it is a C-208.

Does everyone expect one baggage handler, a seperate ticket agent, and a customer service rep for a flight of 8? I'm not saying you get to be their bitch, but loading 7-8 peoples bag of CARRY ON size, doesnt seem like a big deal. Not to mention, the tickets? Takes a whole what, 5 minutes? And customer service rep? Sounds like being a regular airline pilot? Customers have complaints after the flight or before. Pilots can take care of small complaints if any. If it's too much to handle, send it up the corporate ladder.

I dont know..just my opinion.

[FlyingPoke]

Originally Posted by Bigey

Not defending it completely, but it is a C-208.

Does everyone expect one baggage handler, a seperate ticket agent, and a customer service rep for a flight of 8? I'm not saying you get to be their bitch, but loading 7-8 peoples bag of CARRY ON size, doesnt seem like a big deal. Not to mention, the tickets? Takes a whole what, 5 minutes? And customer service rep? Sounds like being a regular airline pilot? Customers have complaints after the flight or before. Pilots can take care of small complaints if any. If it's too much to handle, send it up the corporate ladder.

I dont know..just my opinion.

Well, personally I see a huge problem with that...

I'm a pilot and have paid large sums of money to obtain the skills to be one. Being brought in for "training" and (if this is true) having to do ramp and desk work is not the position being applied for. It is also not the position being paid for, afterall you will be paid only for the time you are flying the airplane and a very small sum of money at that (not sure about this place but 16-19K most likely)... scrubbing toilets or throwing bags is all your own time, I guess if you want to spend your time doing that, have at it.

Dont get me wrong, I'm not a lazy guy, if they were paying me from the time I walked up to the TSA line I'd throw a bag or two and whatever else... it'd keep me in shape. But, until I'm paid for a whole duty day I think I'll pass on the side jobs.

Hope this is not true though, as a low-timer I'm all for finding a decent place to rack up some hours outside the traffic pattern ...

[bunghole]

My Uncles cousin says that part of the job requirements is ticket counter and and related terminal lavatory sanitation cleanliness. Hell....its all worth it..right?

[surreal1221]

Originally Posted by Jeffro

I don't know anything about this company or Pacific Wings, but what's wrong with working the ticket counter if you are a pilot? I read in a business related book that pilots at Southwest will sometimes help clean the cabin or board passengers so they can get the plane turned around faster. There's nothing wrong with working hard and helping out beyond your official job title.

- Jeff

Uh. . .

As a pilot, I'm only paid when that engine is cranked (considering my current position).

I'll be damned if I'll work a counter issuing tickets and checking passengers in. My company can hire some more gate agents for that task.

[PGT]

Originally Posted by Jeffro

I don't know anything about this company or Pacific Wings, but what's wrong with working the ticket counter if you are a pilot? I read in a business related book that pilots at Southwest will sometimes help clean the cabin or board passengers so they can get the plane turned around faster. There's nothing wrong with working hard and helping out beyond your official job title.

- Jeff

the fact that you're paid to be a pilot and only get paid when you do fly....

[RICHARD5]

You would do better as a lineman at your local airport, you'd have a better chance at building some hours and at least you'd be networking.

[Jeffro]

Originally Posted by PGT

the fact that you're paid to be a pilot and only get paid when you do fly....

I did not mean that it is OK for someone to work the ticket counter as their primary job when they were hired as a pilot. I do think it's fine to help get customers checked-in so the flight can be on it's way and the pilots get paid. What's wrong with that?

- Jeff

[SpiraMirabilis]

The fact that you're doing it for free.

[Berkut]

Do we know that they don't pay extra for other duties? What's their pay?

[Bluehen]

ANyone know the schedules there for capts, fos?

[wiggsfly]

Schedules? There are no schedules there. They have a very strict policy of not allowing pilots ANY say in their schedules. At their leisure, usually about 10:30PM but can be anytime between 5PM and 3AM, they post your show-time on an answering machine and send out an email of the next days schedule (the email they are quick to point out is unofficial and they can change your schedule at will). Show times when I was there were anything from 5AM to 5 PM and most duty days were in the neighborhood of 14 hours with up to 15 legs. Officially you have 2 days a week off which are bid quarterly, but if they decide they want you to fly on one of those days you again have no say in the matter and therefore you pretty much have to check the schedule every night when it comes out regardless of whether or not it is supposed to be your day off.

When it comes to paying you, they never back down on their word, but few pilots when I was there made it past a year do to the insane scheduling practices and management who's policy is fir the employee first, ask questions later.

[wiggsfly]

Originally Posted by BillErvin

Looks like the same company (Pacific Wings) and MO. Customer Service, bag handler, ticket agent for the first 30 days. Then 208 ground school, fly in between doing everything else.

For captains, all you do is fly and you will be kept VERY busy with that (I flew just under 1200 in the year I was there). For FOs, you are a counter agent first, pilot second. A number of FOs didn't see training for a lot longer than 30 days as their manager didn't like them. When you are flying you are officially supposed to work at the counter 4 days with 1 flying, and you may fly for no pay on your own time. More often than not however a lot of guys didn't get their flight day for various reasons....