Flight Instructors - China

[typhoonpilot]

Flight Instructors in China Posted: 10/5/2007 10:49:00 AMWASINC is seeking qualified Flight Instructors for Shenzhen Airlines to be based in their Flight Academy in China.

Minimum requirements:

-Hold Single-engine, Multi-engine CPL and IR Licenses issued by FAA
-Hold Single-engine, Multi-engine IR Instructor Licenses issued by FAA
-Flight experience: 500 hours minimum
-Hold First-class Airmen Medical Certificate issued by FAA
-Age not above 53
-Country of citizenship keeps diplomacy with People’s Republic of China
-No flight accident or incident records and no criminal records

Pay and Benefits:

-2 or 3 year contracts
-$2000-$3000 per month, living accommodations provided
-10 days vacation per year, 8 days off per month
-one free round trip ticket per year provided to home country
-Upon completion of contract, instructor in good standing will be offered entry into the Shenzhen/Kunpeng system flying the CRJ, A320 or B737

WASINC



Typhoonpilot

[Customx]

The 2 or 3 year contract part blows, but you would be saving probably $1500-2500/month since the cost of living in China is ridiculously low. This could be a nice time building opportunity for someone, while being able to save $50,000 in the process. Even in Korea I only have about $500-600/month of expenses, not including housing (which is usually covered by employers here).

[DE727UPS]

Sounds like a great opportunity for the unattached, low time, CFI, to move into a Boeing or Bus in two years. I'd say a much faster way to get into a large jet that the traditional US regional route.

Where is this academy at?

[skidz]

Originally Posted by typhoonpilot

-Upon completion of contract, instructor in good standing will be offered entry into the Shenzhen/Kunpeng system flying the CRJ, A320 or B737

Those who survive Chinese justice system without getting the death row sentance for clearance deviation

[Swen]

These offers always temp me. But 2-3 year contract!? I'd like to explore and see China, but I don't think I'd need 2-3 years to do it...

[ClearedForOption]

Originally Posted by typhoonpilot

-Upon completion of contract, instructor in good standing will be offered entry into the Shenzhen/Kunpeng system flying the CRJ, A320 or B737

Or you can just work for Mesa directly and stay here in the good ole' USA and then upgrade to Capt. and move to China and fly for Kunpeng.

Actually, in all honesty... I've always wanted to move to China, but I also don't want to be murdered by my wife. (and she would O.J. me sure enough if I told her: "Honey, guess what??? Pack your bags!") I think that China is going to have great opportunities over the next 20 years for flying. Especially when the next generation is looking for the reward for all of the hard work of the previous generation. (i.e. - just like us after the 50's, Japan of the 80's, etc.)

[Customx]

Originally Posted by Swen

These offers always temp me. But 2-3 year contract!? I'd like to explore and see China, but I don't think I'd need 2-3 years to do it...

China's a huge country, plus you could take vacations to Thailand, Singapore, Vietnam, Philippines, Japan, Korea, etc..

[freeflyer]

Has anyone interviewed for, or accepted one of these positions?

[srleslie]

Wouldn't the language barrier be a big issue in living in a country like this? I realize all pilots use English for flying, but in the day to day living, it seems this would be very complicated.

[PatrickCPS]

As someone who has been to China (multiple times), the language barrier is most likely not that big a deal. Anyone in China who is educated speaks English. It's only when you get outside of the cities that you run into problems. I would also assume that since you'd be around pilots (and soon to be pilots) that the language issue would rarely come up.

This sounds like a great opportunity to save money in the process of building time, and get into flying "big iron" much faster than the traditional US route.

[srleslie]

Originally Posted by PatrickCPS

As someone who has been to China (multiple times), the language barrier is most likely not that big a deal. Anyone in China who is educated speaks English. It's only when you get outside of the cities that you run into problems. I would also assume that since you'd be around pilots (and soon to be pilots) that the language issue would rarely come up.

This sounds like a great opportunity to save money in the process of building time, and get into flying "big iron" much faster than the traditional US route.

This is something I'd be interested in in a year or two. Would the US majors look down on time spent flying with a foreign carrier, as in it being upatriotic or something? I'm hoping to ultimately fly with UPS or FedEx, and if they don't look down at you for flying for a foreign airliner, getting widebody oceanic experience earlier would probably make you more competitive when applying to UPS or FedEx.

[secretapproach]

Originally Posted by srleslie

This is something I'd be interested in in a year or two. Would the US majors look down on time spent flying with a foreign carrier, as in it being upatriotic or something? I'm hoping to ultimately fly with UPS or FedEx, and if they don't look down at you for flying for a foreign airliner, getting widebody oceanic experience earlier would probably make you more competitive when applying to UPS or FedEx.

Please don't make decisions based on how it could make someone you've never met possibly maybe someday somehow perceive your patriotism! Do what you feel comfortable with and screw the people who would criticize you.

For the record, I'm having trouble imagining you'd ever run into this problem for having flown with a non-US carrier. That would be insanity! Working abroad reflects positively on your initiative and ambition.

[srleslie]

Originally Posted by secretapproach

Please don't make decisions based on how it could make someone you've never met possibly maybe someday somehow perceive your patriotism! Do what you feel comfortable with and screw the people who would criticize you.

For the record, I'm having trouble imagining you'd ever run into this problem for having flown with a non-US carrier. That would be insanity! Working abroad reflects positively on your initiative and ambition.

I like your point of view on that.

What about safety in China? In regards to both training and maintenance of aircraft?

[BuickCFI]

according to my current Chinese students training in China is very difficult because the Army controls all the airspace and you need to file flight plans days in advance. i am not 100% sure on that because i have never been there, but since they are from China i consider them a good source

[taseal]

these always tempted me as well, but flying in china is not as easy as I hear

[erikN]

2-3 years seems long

[SpiraMirabilis]

Yeah, coming from the US world of regionals were 2-3 years makes you a grizzled veteran that does seem like a long time!

[BajtheJino]

I looked into this place but they wanted to negotiate every little aspect of the contract. They did, however, offer me a one year contract without the opportunity to upgrade. "They" keep throwing that part at you like your going to scream like a little girl at the opportunity...
It did sound interesting though. Base is located on the coast near Vietnam and not to far from Hong Kong.
The company was trying to hire 10 "Senior" instructors in Oct. but I don't guess they had much luck with all the BS with the contract.

[athomeinthesky]

Originally Posted by typhoonpilot

-Upon completion of contract, instructor in good standing will be offered entry into the Shenzhen/Kunpeng system flying the CRJ, A320 or B737

Sounds more like a ploy to get people than something that actually would ever happen.

[spacemanspiff8]

Just a little tidbit of info on that place.

The President there (Ding) held pretty much every management position possible at Beijing Panam in my tenure with that flight school (2006) before he jumped ship to his current job. He is not a very nice guy to put it lightley, he promised everyone at Panam the same thing, 2 years and they will "recommend" you for employment with an airline!

Number of former BPIAA instructors currently working for an airline on his recommendation....ZERO!!!

He even asked people for a $1000 "harmony fee" to write the recommendation letter, wich of course, he had no intention of writing anyways.

For anyone thinking of going to china, it can be fun, i had a blast when i was there, but be advised that the chinese know what you want to hear and will say anything to get you over there. Odds are most of their promises wont be kept.


Ding and his cronies + flight school = Snakes on a Plane

[Mugs]

Originally Posted by spacemanspiff8

Just a little tidbit of info on that place.

The President there (Ding) held pretty much every management position possible at Beijing Panam in my tenure with that flight school (2006) before he jumped ship to his current job. He is not a very nice guy to put it lightley, he promised everyone at Panam the same thing, 2 years and they will "recommend" you for employment with an airline!

Number of former BPIAA instructors currently working for an airline on his recommendation....ZERO!!!

He even asked people for a $1000 "harmony fee" to write the recommendation letter, wich of course, he had no intention of writing anyways.

For anyone thinking of going to china, it can be fun, i had a blast when i was there, but be advised that the chinese know what you want to hear and will say anything to get you over there. Odds are most of their promises wont be kept.


Ding and his cronies + flight school = Snakes on a Plane

Mr. Ding the communist wasn't the only one that would tell instructors what they wanted to hear.... P. Murphy did that very well also when he was at BPIAA!

[bravodelta79]

Anyone heard the audio from the Asian UPT stud who was cooking his IP? I heard it could have been some intercom issues, but if it was language barrier, it could make for a heated situation (sts).


Having been to ShenZhen, I think it would be a great opportunity to get some flying time and cultured at the same time.

[determined2fly]

I know 2-3 years is a long time...but if they really mean what they say about the upgrade to larger equipment after the CFI gig that would seem like a better route to take for those of us that want to work for a major in a quicker time frame.

[BajtheJino]

Originally Posted by determined2fly

I know 2-3 years is a long time...but if they really mean what they say about the upgrade to larger equipment after the CFI gig that would seem like a better route to take for those of us that want to work for a major in a quicker time frame.

The key wording though is "Instructors in good standing...at the end of the contract." Thats the the part that scared me. You don't smile one day or don't show up wearing the standard issue haircut then at the end of two or three years your royally screwed and then behind the curve (though you will probably have a large bank account and have made many, beautiful friends).

[Boris Badenov]

"if they're serious"? Did you not read what the guy who actually worked for this bozo said? Never underestimate the willful self-delusion of the aspiring pilot, I suppose.