Air Safety International Arizona

[cfii2007]

Any info on these guys...good or bad??

http://www.findapilot.com/classified2-1607.htm

[cfii2007]

Ad started:July 28, 2007 Job Location:Glendale, Arizona Ad Views 3347Company Name Air Safety Flight Academy Contact Name Dee Pinkston Email Address dpinkston@airsafetyacademy.com Phone Number 623-872-8851 Address 6801 N. Glen Harbor #206D Fax Number 623-872-8863 City Glendale State Arizona Country USA Website http://www.airsafetyacademy.com Minimum Requirements CFI Salary range $40,000 a year salary Description
Certified Flight Instructor / Earn $40,000 per year
Air Safety Flight Academy is a world leader in training commercial airline pilots.

We are seeking 40 highly-motivated flight instructors to instruct professional flight students. Our CFIs average 100-120 hours per month of flight time. A CFI certificate is required; the CFII & MEI are preferred but not required.

At $40,000 per year, compensation for our CFIs is the highest in the country. In addition to excellent pay, an abundance of MULTI-ENGINE hours is available to all MEIs.

Excellent advancement opportunities are available for any career flight instructors. In addition, CFIs are not required to commit to work for Air Safety for any minimum period of time.

Our fleet includes:
Cessna 152s
Cessna 172s
Cirrus SR20s
Beechcraft Duchess
Piper Seminoles

Requirements
CFI required. CFII & MEI preferred but not required.

Pay: $40,000 per year salary

Please apply via email by sending resume to dpinkston@airsafetyacademy.com or by fax at 623-872-8863.

Air Safety Flight Academy is an equal opportunity employer.

[Champcar]

Well they just had a 95 percent turnover of instructors in 2 months. Guys are NOT at 40k yet. The 40k only starts when the chineese arrive.

MX is bad, not enough equipment or resources for the international invasion coming. Worked there for awhile but I left case I hated going to work.

[big_news_1]

I'm currently there working on my MEI, CFI, CFII. Been there since June 2006, and the school has gone through some ups and downs. When I started there it had more of a freeform FBO feel, and now they're trying to emulate the environment of a larger flight school. Moving to block scheduling, salary, more standardization, etc. A lot of the old instructors have left as the changes are being implemented, because the new scheduling structure has been cumbersome and confusing so far. Things should be getting better as we implement the AIMS system from UND. Only time will tell.

From a logistics standpoint, the school seems to be in high demand for instructors and airplanes at this point. As Champcar said, nobody is being paid salary until the Chinese begin flying (estimate is late November), and from my understanding the $40,000 guarantee does require a 1 year commitment. The add states that "CFIs are not required to commit to work for Air Safety for any minimum period of time," but it does NOT say that you will be paid $40,000 even if you don't commit. Make sure to clarify this if you plan to inquire about employment. I'm not sure what the administrators' plan is to have enough airplanes and instructors for 60 Chinese in less than two months, but I'm not going to say it's impossible. Just not sure how it will pan out.

Also be aware that guys are not getting 100-120 hours a month right now. You'll be doing good to get 50-60 hours before the Chinese arrive. After they get here it will be a different story, but at the moment you'll be getting paid hourly for your time, which is entirely dependent on how ambitious you are as an instructor. Most new CFIs are getting paired with Indian students in 152s and 172s at this point, so be prepared for a lot of Cessna time initially. I would not say there is an abundance of multi-engine time at the school right now. Do not come down here planning on getting thrown in a twin right away unless you've got some kind of crazy overqualified resume to show them. There will eventually be the new crop of private and instrument students coming down the pipeline for multi training, but the opportunity for twin time isn't very strong right now.

If anyone has more questions please post and I'll try to answer them in an unbiased manner. I don't mean to sound overly negative about the school, because I think there is potential for the current situation to get better. I may be sticking around for a while if some of these opportunities come to fruition. There are many guys who left and have a bitter taste in their mouths (and rightfully so, based on certain events), but there are also a lot of good people at this school. You can still get quality instruction here and make some decent money as an instructor, but the bottom line is that the higher-ups are trying to expand their business and make money. I don't fault them for it, but they are changing what they feel is necessary in order to meet their projected goals and it is creating an atmosphere of confusion. Like I said, I think things will settle down, but I can't say when or if it will happen. I hate to see the place turn into a school where everything is sterile and anonymous, but sometimes it needs to happen in order to grow the operation.

Bottom line: the school is going through some big time growing pains. It may come out the other side as a well-oiled machine, or it may be a disaster. I would say you should come for a tour if you're seriously interested and judge for yourself if the place has any potential.

[Champcar]

You positive pain in the ass... LOL

What he said is true. Its not a place for everyone. If you go to work and go home with out giving a hoot about what goes on then you'd be fine. If you are a "company" man then be prepared to get a bit stressed.

[cfii2007]

Thanks for the info.

Any idea if IATA in TUS is a good place to teach?

[88MPH]

Originally Posted by cfii2007

Thanks for the info.

Any idea if IATA in TUS is a good place to teach?

PM'd

[CirrusMonkey]

STAY AWAY! I was there and the owner is an a**hole! He is dishonest and will do anything to get students and CFI's in the door. You can make $40,000 a year at $8.00 an hour, if you like working 120 hour weeks!

[menglish1]

Just interviewed with them yesterday. They have a whole bunch of chinese kids getting ready to come through. pay is 40,000 no contract you get 4 students to take through the program. Guy I talked to was very helpful and nice. Upfront about working diffrent hours private students in the morning and commercial during the heat and inst students at night which just makes since to me being under a class B. Fly about 8 hours a day. Seems pretty straight forward from a CFI point I don't see how they could mess with anyone. You guys who say stay away can I have some more specifics. It all seems pretty straight forward to me.

[Champcar]

What interview. The interview is nothing but the owner selling you his program. He will always be nice and helpful to get you in the door. Some of use have or where there for over a year and know how it all works.

[moxiepilot]

Originally Posted by menglish1

Just interviewed with them yesterday. They have a whole bunch of chinese kids getting ready to come through. pay is 40,000 no contract you get 4 students to take through the program. Guy I talked to was very helpful and nice. Upfront about working diffrent hours private students in the morning and commercial during the heat and inst students at night which just makes since to me being under a class B. Fly about 8 hours a day. Seems pretty straight forward from a CFI point I don't see how they could mess with anyone. You guys who say stay away can I have some more specifics. It all seems pretty straight forward to me.

I would actually request a contract.

I'm not saying a contract for a required period of time you must stay, rather a contract wegardig your flight time compensation. That way you have legal proof if the owner does nnot hold up their end...

[CirrusMonkey]

Originally Posted by menglish1

You guys who say stay away can I have some more specifics. It all seems pretty straight forward to me.

The problem is not with the chief(s), CFI's or, the student(s). The problem is with the owner. Get used to his temper tantrums and slick assed sales pitches that puts you in an awkward position with your students. Try explaining to your students why they have paid twice as much as they were quoted and why the owner is threating to send them back home if they do not cooperate........

[88MPH]

Originally Posted by moxiepilot

I would actually request a contract.

I'm not saying a contract for a required period of time you must stay, rather a contract wegardig your flight time compensation. That way you have legal proof if the owner does nnot hold up their end...

[cfii2007]

Think I'll steer clear of the place.

[big_news_1]

Originally Posted by menglish1

pay is 40,000 no contract you get 4 students to take through the program.

I'm actually surprised by that. They specifically said they would pay $40,000 without having to sign a contract? I wasn't aware they were willing to do that. But if that's what they said, then maybe they're changing their tune a bit.

Sounds like you talked to Jerry for part of the time. He's a good guy, and I honestly believe he's making changes for the better around the school. The owner, Dee, seems like he's starting to disassociate with everyday business a little more, which is a good thing. One of the big problems was him trying to micromanage every aspect of the business... it was really starting to piss off the instructors. He's a salesman, so he was recruiting people and making guarantees that couldn't be upheld, and there was nobody in a position to keep him in check. Now that he's focusing more on his role as a recruiter and letting the scheduling/flight departments do their own thing, the operation is running more smoothly.

Again, make sure to clarify EVERY promise you are given, and if possible get it in writing. I won't say whether or not you should pursue employment with Air Safety... just use your best judgment, as you would with any other potential job. Time will tell whether the school is successful or not.

[CirrusMonkey]

If Jerry was given full control of the flight department then AirSafety would be a great place to work. The problem is keeping the owner distracted long enough to allow for good things to happen with it.

[juskl]

Great, another school in Az with Chinese students......... So now we can tie up even more time on Approach, tower, talk around and whatever as they all try to improve on a non existant comprehension of the English language. Just freekin great....

[EUpilot]

Hello,

Have some questions on the school, can you help me b 1?

Dresscode for Instructors?

Is the Cirrus going to be used anything for the chinese students?

Can you write wich plane Airsafety has in its fleet as for today?

and finally... is the full motion simulator used anything and wich kind of simulators do the school use?

Would appreciate a fast answer...!
Thank you!

[Champcar]

Originally Posted by EUpilot

Hello,

Have some questions on the school, can you help me b 1?

Dresscode for Instructors?

Is the Cirrus going to be used anything for the chinese students?

Can you write wich plane Airsafety has in its fleet as for today?

and finally... is the full motion simulator used anything and wich kind of simulators do the school use?

Would appreciate a fast answer...!
Thank you!

1.) Airline Uniforms
2.) Don't think so
3.) 152, 172 P,R,S, SR-20,SR-22, BE-76,Seminole
4.)LOL what full motion Sim? They have a PCAD and a Home made MSFS Sim.

[EUpilot]

Originally Posted by Champcar

1.) Airline Uniforms
2.) Don't think so
3.) 152, 172 P,R,S, SR-20,SR-22, BE-76,Seminole
4.)LOL what full motion Sim? They have a PCAD and a Home made MSFS Sim.

Okey... but if 50% of the fleet consists of Cirrus they probably is going to be used during the instrument phase?

What about Chinese training in the multi, is it gonna happen?

How many multis is it?

considering going there... Was very posetiv about the place but now its a little bit sad here for my part to read about it... I mean, my school sucks hard to, Mx is a joke, we fly only crappy old cessnas with 2 multis falling apart. just want to find a good school like my first opinion of Air safety was.
Maybe Big nr 1 can give me some straight up answers about it or if you have any more info champcar just write them here, glad to read it!

How is the housing there? Instructors have to live on campus or what?

Thnks guys.

[Champcar]

Originally Posted by EUpilot

Okey... but if 50% of the fleet consists of Cirrus they probably is going to be used during the instrument phase?

What about Chinese training in the multi, is it gonna happen?

How many multis is it?

considering going there... Was very posetiv about the place but now its a little bit sad here for my part to read about it... I mean, my school sucks hard to, Mx is a joke, we fly only crappy old cessnas with 2 multis falling apart. just want to find a good school like my first opinion of Air safety was.
Maybe Big nr 1 can give me some straight up answers about it or if you have any more info champcar just write them here, glad to read it!

How is the housing there? Instructors have to live on campus or what?

Thnks guys.

Cirrus fleet is less than 50%, only 4 SR-20s and 1 SR-22 and they are a mx nightmare. They will train in the twins, 2 operational Duchesses and 1 Seminole. Instructors are on their own for living, no campus really.

[EUpilot]

Originally Posted by Champcar

Cirrus fleet is less than 50%, only 4 SR-20s and 1 SR-22 and they are a mx nightmare. They will train in the twins, 2 operational Duchesses and 1 Seminole. Instructors are on their own for living, no campus really.

Okey, whats the best place online to look for apartments. I have heard of something called craigslist. Is that a good place to find living for glendale?

[Champcar]

Originally Posted by EUpilot

Okey, whats the best place online to look for apartments. I have heard of something called craigslist. Is that a good place to find living for glendale?

That or apartments.com

[cfii2007]

Mesa, Glendale...there are a ton of places to live down there. Shouldn't be that difficult if you are making $40,000 a year.

[cfii2007]

Doesn't sound like that place is that bad......