PC12 / Grob SPN

pilotots · September 25th, 2007, 07:48

http://www.planesense.aero/employment.html

PlaneSense (Alpha Flying) is continually looking for PC12 FOs (yes it's SIC time due to the regs). PlaneSense will be the launch customer for the Grob SPN, with 25 signed orders spaced over the next 5 or 6 years, the announcement was made yesterday at NBAA. Flow through from left seat PC12 to right seat SPN.

flyTotheSky · September 25th, 2007, 11:01

Anyone have an idea on pay?

I'm assuming they are operating under part 135 so they have op-specs stating that they require an SIC...?

Seems like an interesting opportunity. I've always wanted to fly the PC-12 and the Grob looks like a cool airplane to move into.

moxiepilot · September 25th, 2007, 11:44

AF is an awesome operation. We have, on average, 5 pilatus land every day from AF. This is at an uncontrolled field on the outskirts of a large metropolitan area.

EVERY pilot I have talked to likes the QOL, pay and bene's. They are hiring all the time (about 5 per month)

Contact info:

Alpha Flying, Inc.
One Garside Way
PO Box 6300
Manchester NH 03108-6300

pilotrecruitment@alphaflying.com
fax 603-606-4916

Piperflyer · September 25th, 2007, 12:13

I talked with them a few minths ago and they said they operate under part 91K. First year is like 27,000 don't know about second year.
I might consider leaving my airline job if they have really good benefits and if they opened a base in the west.
sounds like a good company

pilotots · September 25th, 2007, 12:14

Quote:

Originally Posted by flyTotheSky

I'm assuming they are operating under part 135 so they have op-specs stating that they require an SIC...?

Fractional, 91 Subpart K, Requires an SIC. Pay beats most if not all of the regional airlines and quality of life is great.

flyTotheSky · September 25th, 2007, 13:19

What are typical schedules like?

Are the only domiciles DKB and FXE?

Piperflyer · September 25th, 2007, 13:51

I have a few more questions:
Is there any way to commute or do you have to live at the base cities?
How many hours per month approx?
Per Diem?
Days off per month?
Reserve if any?

pilotots · September 25th, 2007, 15:58

Right now the schedule is 6 days on 4 off. Averaging about 500 to 700 hours per year. Bases are PSM (main company base, all the aircraft are based in PSM) PDK and FXE. Pilots must live within 2 hours of one of those bases. Per Diem, $2 per hour for every hour away from home base. Hotels and rental cars are paid for. No reserve time. Right from training to a normal line schedule of 6 and 4.

EVERYONE is hired into the right seat of the PC12, no matter how many hours you have. We have B-52 pilots sitting right seat. Upgrade times are based on min hours of 1500TT and merit, there are no seniority numbers.

Mins to be hired: 500TT (1000TT ish is better) and commercial instrument. Your instrument skills have to be very sharp to be hired on.

Andrew_VT · September 25th, 2007, 16:35

Quote:

Originally Posted by pilotots

Upgrade times are based on min hours of 1500TT and merit, there are no seniority numbers.

That seems like a really bad idea...

Grabo172 · September 25th, 2007, 18:08

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew_VT

That seems like a really bad idea...

Why?

If you do well you should be promoted... instead of waiting on a number to come up... I like the idea of that!

pilotots · September 25th, 2007, 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Andrew_VT

That seems like a really bad idea...

It's a great idea, like any other job outside of aviation if you do well you'll move up. The only places that use a number system are the 121 carriers and the deli in the supermarket. And as far as I can tell it only works well at the deli.

taseal · September 25th, 2007, 19:54

this would be very cool! I will forward this to my friend.

I'm by BCT so it won't be so bad

Snuggle · September 25th, 2007, 19:57

I've heard nothing but good things about Alpha Flying. If I lived near there bases I'd apply. It should be interesting to watch as the company grows, I'm hoping they do well. The Alpha pilots I've met say they get taken of pretty well, seems like a good employer to work for.

sopdan · September 25th, 2007, 20:38

Wow, I heard that Grob rumor quite a while back from someone I knew at Alpha... I'm impressed that it actually happened.

flyingmaniac · September 25th, 2007, 23:00

I've seen those planes at Savannah, GA when I was there. Also I've seen them at Shelbyville, TN doing approaches. I've always wondered whose planes those were.

docflyer · September 27th, 2007, 10:13

Sent in my resume yesterday. About 550 tt with a some previous PC-12 time. Wish me luck.

Craig

dbrault17 · September 28th, 2007, 06:55

Ive been thinking about this place also but no flight bennies to get home, bases are pretty expensive places to live (im from the midwest where an entire house rents for 500/month), and the biggest problem is its all single engine time. If or when you want to move on itd be very hard to find a job in corporate, airline, or cargo without twin time.

On the flip side Ive met a few of these crews and all of them love it. They say flying for them is like going on vacation every other week.

MFT1Air · September 28th, 2007, 08:24

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Originally Posted by dbrault17

On the flip side Ive met a few of these crews and all of them love it. They say flying for them is like going on vacation every other week.

Concur. I met a crew here in Houston a few "time periods" ago. Yes, they appeared happy with their jobs.

docflyer · September 28th, 2007, 11:04

What do you mean by no flight bennies to get home?

100LLguy · September 28th, 2007, 16:28

he means no jumpseat agreement or CASS....which equals no free rides on another airline

I am also ready to leave a regional and Alpha is high up on my list!

TheFlyingTurkey · September 28th, 2007, 16:46

Holy crap this is almost a dream job for me. I live right here in Fort Lauderdale. I wonder how they assign domiciles?

Piperflyer · September 28th, 2007, 17:04

This has got to be one of the few jobs listed on here where nobody has anything negative to say about the company. Honestly I have this job in the back of my mind and I wonder what it would be like if I left my CRJ job to fly for them. I could upgrade a heck of a lot sooner with them then at my current company. But then it is single engine....
I emailed them just two days ago and they were really nice and helpful in answering my questions. The one thing that sucks is that they said they won't have a base in the west. and that there are no flight bennies.

dbrault17 · September 28th, 2007, 18:59

If these guys had a detroit base id be clawing my way in. Oh well.

kiteflyer · September 28th, 2007, 19:15

your base is assigned by pilot request.

pilotots · September 28th, 2007, 19:28

Quote:

Originally Posted by Piperflyer

But then it is single engine....

A PC12 has one engine, however a Grob has two.

September 25th, 2007, 07:48	#1
pilotots Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 79	PC12 / Grob SPN http://www.planesense.aero/employment.html PlaneSense (Alpha Flying) is continually looking for PC12 FOs (yes it's SIC time due to the regs). PlaneSense will be the launch customer for the Grob SPN, with 25 signed orders spaced over the next 5 or 6 years, the announcement was made yesterday at NBAA. Flow through from left seat PC12 to right seat SPN.

September 25th, 2007, 11:01	#2
flyTotheSky Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LUK Posts: 381	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN Anyone have an idea on pay? I'm assuming they are operating under part 135 so they have op-specs stating that they require an SIC...? Seems like an interesting opportunity. I've always wanted to fly the PC-12 and the Grob looks like a cool airplane to move into. __________________ CFI - CFII - CIME - Slowtation/Pilatypus FO

September 25th, 2007, 11:44	#3
moxiepilot Old Skool Join Date: Aug 2004 Location: CFI / CFII in PA Posts: 2,712	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN AF is an awesome operation. We have, on average, 5 pilatus land every day from AF. This is at an uncontrolled field on the outskirts of a large metropolitan area. EVERY pilot I have talked to likes the QOL, pay and bene's. They are hiring all the time (about 5 per month) Contact info: Alpha Flying, Inc. One Garside Way PO Box 6300 Manchester NH 03108-6300 pilotrecruitment@alphaflying.com fax 603-606-4916

September 25th, 2007, 12:13	#4
Piperflyer Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: koa Posts: 149	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN I talked with them a few minths ago and they said they operate under part 91K. First year is like 27,000 don't know about second year. I might consider leaving my airline job if they have really good benefits and if they opened a base in the west. sounds like a good company

September 25th, 2007, 13:19	#6
flyTotheSky Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2006 Location: LUK Posts: 381	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN What are typical schedules like? Are the only domiciles DKB and FXE? __________________ CFI - CFII - CIME - Slowtation/Pilatypus FO

September 25th, 2007, 13:51	#7
Piperflyer Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: koa Posts: 149	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN I have a few more questions: Is there any way to commute or do you have to live at the base cities? How many hours per month approx? Per Diem? Days off per month? Reserve if any?

September 25th, 2007, 15:58	#8
pilotots Junior Member Join Date: Dec 2002 Posts: 79	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN Right now the schedule is 6 days on 4 off. Averaging about 500 to 700 hours per year. Bases are PSM (main company base, all the aircraft are based in PSM) PDK and FXE. Pilots must live within 2 hours of one of those bases. Per Diem, $2 per hour for every hour away from home base. Hotels and rental cars are paid for. No reserve time. Right from training to a normal line schedule of 6 and 4. EVERYONE is hired into the right seat of the PC12, no matter how many hours you have. We have B-52 pilots sitting right seat. Upgrade times are based on min hours of 1500TT and merit, there are no seniority numbers. Mins to be hired: 500TT (1000TT ish is better) and commercial instrument. Your instrument skills have to be very sharp to be hired on.

September 25th, 2007, 19:54	#12
taseal Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Boca Raton, FL Posts: 1,961	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN this would be very cool! I will forward this to my friend. I'm by BCT so it won't be so bad __________________

September 25th, 2007, 19:57	#13
Snuggle Senior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 568	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN I've heard nothing but good things about Alpha Flying. If I lived near there bases I'd apply. It should be interesting to watch as the company grows, I'm hoping they do well. The Alpha pilots I've met say they get taken of pretty well, seems like a good employer to work for.

September 25th, 2007, 20:38	#14
sopdan Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2003 Posts: 637	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN Wow, I heard that Grob rumor quite a while back from someone I knew at Alpha... I'm impressed that it actually happened.

September 25th, 2007, 23:00	#15
flyingmaniac Senior Member Join Date: Apr 2004 Location: TN / ATL Posts: 634	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN I've seen those planes at Savannah, GA when I was there. Also I've seen them at Shelbyville, TN doing approaches. I've always wondered whose planes those were.

September 27th, 2007, 10:13	#16
docflyer Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 66	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN Sent in my resume yesterday. About 550 tt with a some previous PC-12 time. Wish me luck. Craig

September 28th, 2007, 06:55	#17
dbrault17 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 265	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN Ive been thinking about this place also but no flight bennies to get home, bases are pretty expensive places to live (im from the midwest where an entire house rents for 500/month), and the biggest problem is its all single engine time. If or when you want to move on itd be very hard to find a job in corporate, airline, or cargo without twin time. On the flip side Ive met a few of these crews and all of them love it. They say flying for them is like going on vacation every other week.

September 28th, 2007, 11:04	#19
docflyer Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Posts: 66	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN What do you mean by no flight bennies to get home?

September 28th, 2007, 16:28	#20
100LLguy Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Posts: 38	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN he means no jumpseat agreement or CASS....which equals no free rides on another airline I am also ready to leave a regional and Alpha is high up on my list!

September 28th, 2007, 16:46	#21
TheFlyingTurkey Old Skool Join Date: Jun 2002 Location: Fort Lauderdale Posts: 2,935	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN Holy crap this is almost a dream job for me. I live right here in Fort Lauderdale. I wonder how they assign domiciles?

September 28th, 2007, 17:04	#22
Piperflyer Junior Member Join Date: May 2004 Location: koa Posts: 149	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN This has got to be one of the few jobs listed on here where nobody has anything negative to say about the company. Honestly I have this job in the back of my mind and I wonder what it would be like if I left my CRJ job to fly for them. I could upgrade a heck of a lot sooner with them then at my current company. But then it is single engine.... I emailed them just two days ago and they were really nice and helpful in answering my questions. The one thing that sucks is that they said they won't have a base in the west. and that there are no flight bennies.

September 28th, 2007, 18:59	#23
dbrault17 Junior Member Join Date: Jun 2006 Posts: 265	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN If these guys had a detroit base id be clawing my way in. Oh well.

September 28th, 2007, 19:15	#24
kiteflyer Newbie Join Date: Oct 2006 Posts: 24	Re: PC12 / Grob SPN your base is assigned by pilot request.

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