SATS Air Hiring

[TheFlyingTurkey]

Originally Posted by MFT1Air

Right now, someone with 1200TT in my opinion would be looking for regionals, multis, and turbines with those hours.

That may be true, but at a regional airline starting pay is anywhere from $18 to $22k for the first year.

[ashtonATL]

I dont think they have a problem with people bailing, prob a good job for someone retired who wants to keep flying... trouble is after 1200 hrs (what they wan as a min) there is nothing you can do with single engine sr22 time.. nothing. If the pay was decent (38K after a couple years still sucks) ,and someone likes that kind of flying -it would be a good job I think.. but as it is , its a dead end. thats there problem....

I did a little project on them for my masters, and must say - they offer a great value for the small business- with block time its cheaper than operating your own company sr22 at better than 50 hours a year flown...

[NJA_Capt]

Originally Posted by ashtonATL

...trouble is after 1200 hrs...there is nothing you can do with single engine sr22 time.. nothing.

You better not tell Chautauqua...They just hired Lloyd after (I'm guessing)1000 hrs in a C210.
I also flew the C210 and feel I have done quite well. I wouldn't trade the experience for anything. To say it gets you nowhere is pretty short sited.

[ashtonATL]

im not saying it gets you no where.. not saying that at all... , just that after you get to ATP level of flying it doesn't have any value to your next employer.. if its not multi piston or turbin the insurance company wont care

[68navajo]

Be wary of this Operation. I've been at SATS for over a year and I can tell you that the place is a mess. We Fla. pilots have it easier than most of the pilots at Sats .Their big Fla. operations plan Has been a giant bust and we are here and they don't know what to do! They can't keep pilots cause the don't really tell the truth when they sign you on about time away from home...long duty days...and run out aircraft that are breaking down faster than they should. Maint. does a yoeman job keeping the planes flying. The same people who ran "Rhino Aviation" run this operation. Send me a p.m. if you like. p.s. I will be leaving right after New Year begins.

[skydweller97]

What a bunch of BS! The only true statement is that Florida has been slow to start. So from your post you sound like you're complaining about this and also about everyone else too busy. "This place is too slow, and it's too busy." Give me a break. It's a new growing company.

The statement about not telling people the truth in the interview and what they're getting into -- absolutely flat false! I was told when I interviewed that I might be on the road up to six days fairly often. (That was when they were doing 6 on 3 off and then they went to 4/3 right before I was hired.) I've heard other guys tell me during I.O.E. about their interviews, and I've had other pilots tell me they were asked to talk to interviewees and "tell them EVERYTHING -- we want them to know what they're getting into, try to scare them out of it if you can, we'd rather have them leave now if they're not going to like it". It is a flying job and, guess what? you will be gone sometimes.

The maintenance is excellent. No person and no machine is absolutely perfect, but this maintenance department does a great job and pilots are NEVER asked to take a plane the pilot doesn't think is safe to take or not write up a plane. I've got about 750 hours in the plane now and I've only had to cancel for MX 2 times. I would say that's as good as most airlines, if not better. Add to that maybe about 10-15 minor "code two" writeups that were fixed promptly and a few electronic glitches with the Avidyne stuff that is usually fixed with a "reboot." But no major problems.

If you don't like it leave, but don't falsely trash the company and spread BS.

If you know about Rhino, and think they were bad, then you shouldn't have taken the job in the first place?

Hope you find something you like better and wish you the best, but don't slander a good company on the way out.

Originally Posted by 68navajo

Be wary of this Operation. I've been at SATS for over a year and I can tell you that the place is a mess. We Fla. pilots have it easier than most of the pilots at Sats .Their big Fla. operations plan Has been a giant bust and we are here and they don't know what to do! They can't keep pilots cause the don't really tell the truth when they sign you on about time away from home...long duty days...and run out aircraft that are breaking down faster than they should. Maint. does a yoeman job keeping the planes flying. The same people who ran "Rhino Aviation" run this operation. Send me a p.m. if you like. p.s. I will be leaving right after New Year begins.

[68navajo]

I found out about Rhino after I hired on. I was desperate for a job then but no longer. You really have sipped the "koolaid". Just tell me why so many Pilots are leaving, me included. When i was hired the Co. said they would try and get us home every day....see Co literature in the pilot section. Where are all the promised new airplanes? It's a Big pyramid game, and You my friend are too blind too see it! Good luck in the future with this Great Company!

[GregCollins2]

I just sent a resume today, anyone know if Satsair is still hiring??? I'm ATP rated with 4100 hours and 640 of SR-22 time so I'm hoping I'll hear something.

[skydweller97]

Originally Posted by GregCollins2

I just sent a resume today, anyone know if Satsair is still hiring??? I'm ATP rated with 4100 hours and 640 of SR-22 time so I'm hoping I'll hear something.

Still actively hiring. I think the goal is 6 per month in class. What base(s) is/are you trying for?

Good luck!

[surreal1221]

Well I can obviously tell why some think it's a dead end job. . .se piston flying. . .yeah, that'll get you your 1000 TPIC to go one elsewhere.

Sounds like a great job if you're a 50 something.

[GregCollins2]

Skydweller, I'm located in Hendersonville, North Carolina, just 15 minutes by air from GMU. I don't know if that helps or hurts.
I'm currently flying a first generation SR-22 for a small company but we went from 400 hours of flying last year to less than 100 this year.
I'm 43 and have NO desire to move out of the mountains so this would be a great gig if I could work out of GMU.

[skydweller97]

Originally Posted by GregCollins2

Skydweller, I'm located in Hendersonville, North Carolina, just 15 minutes by air from GMU. I don't know if that helps or hurts.
I'm currently flying a first generation SR-22 for a small company but we went from 400 hours of flying last year to less than 100 this year.
I'm 43 and have NO desire to move out of the mountains so this would be a great gig if I could work out of GMU.

Well, that's the easiest one to get since it's the home base. All the others are only 2-3 pilots. Keep me posted on how it goes. Did you do the online submission or mail in? (I'd suggest doing both just to be sure, or better yet, drop by and hand your resume to Tony Hanson -- he's the Chief Pilot; office is in the back corner of TAC Air FBO.)

[GregCollins2]

Thanks for the tip on the chief pilot, I will do that. I have done the online thing only at this point.

[GregCollins2]

I got a canned email form Dustin Bragg today, thanking me for my resume, and asking me to update if my circumstances change. I guess they won't be calling me any time soon!

[bmfc]

Naw, I got the canned e-mail and then a call for an interview within a week or two.

[ComplexHiAv8r]

Originally Posted by GregCollins2

I got a canned email form Dustin Bragg today, thanking me for my resume, and asking me to update if my circumstances change. I guess they won't be calling me any time soon!

Try updating within a few days. Also the thanks, and still very interested in the position doesnt hurt either!

[68navajo]

I would stay away. I'm leaving in jan. or feb. for a new position. They are reorganizing all depts and I think the "fat lady" is warming up in the background (before they shut the doors). I have been through this in the past and all the ducks are lining up . The passengers I fly are aware of this also and are getting nervous about "re-upping" after they have flown out their purchased time.

[skydweller97]

Originally Posted by 68navajo

I would stay away. I'm leaving in jan. or feb. for a new position. They are reorganizing all depts and I think the "fat lady" is warming up in the background (before they shut the doors). I have been through this in the past and all the ducks are lining up . The passengers I fly are aware of this also and are getting nervous about "re-upping" after they have flown out their purchased time.

You have eight posts on this board and every one of them is bashing the company you work for. What is your motivation for coming on here and trying to make your "predictions" come true by trying to steer everyone away and spreading crap about the company. Don't tell me you have some noble aim: "I just want to help people not get into something bad." I think any reasonable person reading all this you have written will see right through that.

I've NEVER heard a customer say anything even close to what you allude to in your post. I hear how happy they are, how many friends they've told, how many hours they've bought/are buying etc. etc. Day after day after day; and the other pilots I talk to tell me the same thing. Like someone else said earlier in this thread, if there's any problems, it sure isn't due to a lack of business. Although I hate to think what kind of feeling customers get about us if they're flying with you.

When SWA started out many people said it would never succeed. They had some very rough times early on, but look at em now. Did they succeed because of complaining, negative employees telling everyone not to work there, even when times were tough/busy in the beginning or because of motivated, hard working positive, customer friendly people?

Same with Fedex, NetJets, etc. It takes the employees to make it work as much or more than skilled management.

I wish you the very best in your new job; I hope you've found the perfect company with the perfect management that does everything just the way you like it. I hope they are so successful that no fat ladies will ever sing, in fact I hope they're so busy they call you to come on over a little early.

Have a nice day.

[68navajo]

I didn't know We are the next SWA. Maybe I will stay a little longer....NOT!

[68navajo]

And I almost forgot....I'm leaving after We get all the G3's, VLJ's, 401k,profit sharing,and the "pay raise"..... ....give me a break!

[zman]

Do you guy's work for the same company?

[Standing by.....]

I read this post and a very bad song pops into my head:
"Love is in the air
Everywhere I look around
Love is in the air
Every sight and every sound
And I don't know if I'm being foolish
Don't know if I'm being wise
But it's something that I must believe in
And it's there when I look in your eyes"

ahahhahahahaha, gotta love the bad songs like this from John Paul Young in situations like this

[68navajo]

The way this Co. works is they are probably trying to figure out who I am so they can let me go before I quit.....they get off on that

[TFaudree_ERAU]

Working for a Part 91 company that owns a Cirrus SR22, we have come up with a question regarding SATSair.

How do you guys operate during known icing conditions? I don't know about the SATS 22s, but ours isn't approved for FIKI, even with the TKS system.

[skydweller97]

Originally Posted by TFaudree_ERAU

Working for a Part 91 company that owns a Cirrus SR22, we have come up with a question regarding SATSair.

How do you guys operate during known icing conditions? I don't know about the SATS 22s, but ours isn't approved for FIKI, even with the TKS system.

If there's known or forecast ice - we either plan around it or don't go. We're in the SE and flying at lower altitudes so it doesn't come up too often, but we do have to cancel some flights in the winter, or fly the "end run" around the mountains.