CFI's URGENTLY NEEDED

RMSluk · June 4th, 2007, 16:05

Falcon Aviation Academy which operates out of 4 locations in the greater Atlanta area is in need of 15-20 CFI's in the next 30 days. We are expanding our international market (Primarily students from India) while simultaneously supporting a regional airline (ASA) with their need for pilots. We offer health benefits, good pay, subsidized living accomodations (some locations) and a inside track to ASA after 6-8 months of employment with us as a CFI. CFII and MEI preferred but we will work with you on obtaining same either through reduced cost or 12 month timeframe committment as CFI with us. Please email us at: Jobs@falconaviationacademy.com

surreal1221 · June 4th, 2007, 16:14

If anyone is interested, and wants a clean environment to work (that's NOT Florida). . .I'd highly suggest applying.

LAFF · June 5th, 2007, 09:39

I shoud apply..I speak Hindi and Punjabi fluently...

-LAFF

SmitteyB · June 5th, 2007, 09:55

Namaste, Kaise ho?

moxiepilot · June 5th, 2007, 11:30

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Originally Posted by SmitteyB

Namaste, Kaise ho?

stop calling people hos. your mother would soap out your mouth

S.T.Aviator · June 5th, 2007, 18:58

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Originally Posted by moxiepilot

stop calling people hos. your mother would soap out your mouth

av8sean · June 6th, 2007, 01:25

I can only imagine a hotlanta humid 172 cabin with a student from India... BO + curry smell + unusual attitudes training = uncontrollable vomit...

Mike734 · June 6th, 2007, 01:52

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Originally Posted by RMSluk

Falcon Aviation Academy which operates out of 4 locations in the greater Atlanta area is in need of 15-20 CFI's in the next 30 days. We are expanding our international market (Primarily students from India) while simultaneously supporting a regional airline (ASA) with their need for pilots. We offer health benefits, good pay, subsidized living accomodations (some locations) and a inside track to ASA after 6-8 months of employment with us as a CFI. CFII and MEI preferred but we will work with you on obtaining same either through reduced cost or 12 month timeframe committment as CFI with us. Please email us at: Jobs@falconaviationacademy.com

How much do you pay? How many days off/mo? And you better say 80K plus.

S.T.Aviator · June 6th, 2007, 11:54

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Originally Posted by iwareboy

I can only imagine a hotlanta humid 172 cabin with a student from India... BO + curry smell + unusual attitudes training = uncontrollable vomit...

Dude, those comments were uncalled for. We probably have a lot of Indian students lurking on this site looking for information on flight schools and your imaturity and ignorance is not going to help anyone. You might want to try and keep those kind of comments to yourself and try growing up a little!

ftyflyboy · June 6th, 2007, 12:17

What is a average billable month?

How much of the teaching is multi?

What are your pay rates for flight and ground and how is the schedule?

Thanks,

Eric

surreal1221 · June 6th, 2007, 12:54

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Originally Posted by iwareboy

I can only imagine a hotlanta humid 172 cabin with a student from India... BO + curry smell + unusual attitudes training = uncontrollable vomit...

Yup, way out of line. Your ignorance is shown in your assumption that Falcon uses 172s. The other comments, well. . .yeah.

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Originally Posted by Mike734

How much do you pay? How many days off/mo? And you better say 80K plus.

If you're interested, it'd be best to call them. But, if I'm not mistaken, you're already well beyond the CFI stage - or do I have you mixed up with another Mike734 with the same avatar? Part of me thinks you're not serious. . .but hey - maybe you came across some bad times.

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Originally Posted by ftyflyboy

What is a average billable month?

How much of the teaching is multi?

What are your pay rates for flight and ground and how is the schedule?

Thanks,

Eric

I'd call them up, speak to Ray, Al, Spencer, or Shawn.

Students are charged $40 an hour for an instructor, flight or ground. How much of that an instructor actually sees is well. . .to be determined by the instructors pay rate.

Multi teaching comes with seniority, but I am one of about 5 full time CMEL students, plus how ever many Indian students are also working on their MEL.

If you are truly interested - call them up. If you want to speak with a few of the CFIs, PM and I'll see if I can either have mine, or one of the many I have flown with talk to you.

ComplexHiAv8r · June 6th, 2007, 20:42

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Originally Posted by surreal1221

Multi teaching comes with seniority, but I am one of about 5 full time CMEL students, plus how ever many Indian students are also working on their MEL.

How is the DA42 flying? I am still trying to find a place for my CMEL.

MusketeerMan · June 6th, 2007, 21:26

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Originally Posted by surreal1221

Multi teaching comes with seniority, but I am one of about 5 full time CMEL students, plus how ever many Indian students are also working on their MEL.

If you are truly interested - call them up. If you want to speak with a few of the CFIs, PM and I'll see if I can either have mine, or one of the many I have flown with talk to you.

Whaaaaa???? Surreal, I thought you just finished your private and had started your instrument??? When did you get your commercial single??

surreal1221 · June 6th, 2007, 23:28

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Originally Posted by ComplexHiAv8r

How is the DA42 flying? I am still trying to find a place for my CMEL.

I'll let you know, so just keep an eye on my Falcon thread. Start systems training next week. And actually watching a G1000 training DVD as I type this. All of the DA42's are G1000 equipped.

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Originally Posted by MusketeerMan

Whaaaaa???? Surreal, I thought you just finished your private and had started your instrument??? When did you get your commercial single??

IA checkride next Friday, start DA42 systems ground on Monday of next week. It's a CMEL w/ CSEL add-on course.

Mavmb · June 6th, 2007, 23:36

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Originally Posted by iwareboy

I can only imagine a hotlanta humid 172 cabin with a student from India... BO + curry smell + unusual attitudes training = uncontrollable vomit...

Oh you guys need to get off your high horse. It's a joke people. Ever heard one of those before? Not politically correct, oh well. Laugh a little. This isn't a formal business dinner.

surreal1221 · June 6th, 2007, 23:52

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Originally Posted by Mavmb

Oh you guys need to get off your high horse. It's a joke people. Ever heard one of those before? Not politically correct, oh well. Laugh a little. This isn't a formal business dinner.

Well, this certainly was a great way to destroy a job opening post. So long as people like you are around all racial slurs would be acceptable language. . .no matter what the environment is. Just disrespectful on so many grounds.

Good job to all involved.

Mike734 · June 7th, 2007, 01:57

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Originally Posted by surreal1221

If you're interested, it'd be best to call them. But, if I'm not mistaken, you're already well beyond the CFI stage - or do I have you mixed up with another Mike734 with the same avatar? Part of me thinks you're not serious. . .but hey - maybe you came across some bad times.

Nope, you got the right guy. I just want him to publish the rate. I'm sure it is quite low. The pilot shortage will really be here when people hiring start throwing out numbers. I guess that day has not come. (I did enjoy teaching though. It is too bad one can't make a decent living doing it.)

surreal1221 · June 7th, 2007, 10:24

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Originally Posted by Mike734

Nope, you got the right guy. I just want him to publish the rate. I'm sure it is quite low. The pilot shortage will really be here when people hiring start throwing out numbers. I guess that day has not come. (I did enjoy teaching though. It is too bad one can't make a decent living doing it.)

Couldn't agree more.

Bwatz · June 7th, 2007, 12:29

Starting pay is $12/hr.

aerospacepilot · June 7th, 2007, 14:32

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Originally Posted by Bwatz

Starting pay is $12/hr.

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Originally Posted by surreal1221

Students are charged $40 an hour for an instructor, flight or ground.

It did not pass the test. If a CFI is payed less than 50% what the student is charged for instruction, it is a bad job at a bad school!

I am really amazed when I see these threads about CFI's for aviation academies. Where I live, most (almost all) CFI's are independent contractors. If students are charged $35 an hour, instructors make $35 an hour (they only have to pay monthly dues to the flight school). I remember when my original flight school in Colorado was bought out, the flight instructors went from making $35 an hour to $27 an hour, and I was shocked!!

The rates I am seeing from these aviation academies are outrageously low. Just another reason not to train or work at a large aviation academy!

Bwatz · June 7th, 2007, 14:39

It does go up, but starting pay is way low. (Please don't think I am trying to justify the low pay.) I think you can top out at $20/hour. Things may have changed, but I doubt it. Back in January 2002 starting pay was $14. Then you got a $2.00 raise for II, and MEI. I can't remember when they dropped it down to $12. I do know that starting pay as of last March was only $12/hour. BTW, Falcon is not a large aviation academy. Its actually a very small school. The instructors do get the added benefit of wearing the monkey suit... (Another major flaw)

surreal1221 · June 7th, 2007, 15:04

As I understand it, pay starts @ $12. $2 increase for every Wings Program that you complete, along with each upgrade to II, or MEI. So, say you do 3 Wings programs, that's an extra $6 hourly wage - so now you're @ $18 dollars. Say you finally become an MEI, so another $2, so $20 hourly now.

I personally think, that. . .pay, CFI pay, will gradually increase over the next few months to a year. All of these academies that cater to international students are going to have to find a way to keep their American instructors to stay just a little bit longer. Pay greater than first year FO @ a regional is one way. Just my opinion, and certainly does not reflect what I think Falcon will do in the future.

Mike734 · June 7th, 2007, 23:58

The more guys that go to the Regionals, the less instructors. The less instructors, the higher instructor pay will go. The higher instructor pay gets, the more expensive it will be to learn to fly. The more expensive it is to learn to fly, the fewer the number of pilots available for the airlines. The fewer pilots available for the airlines, the higher the pay will have to go.

It's all good.

SpiraMirabilis · June 8th, 2007, 01:47

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Originally Posted by Mike734

The more guys that go to the Regionals, the less instructors. The less instructors, the higher instructor pay will go. The higher instructor pay gets, the more expensive it will be to learn to fly. The more expensive it is to learn to fly, the fewer the number of pilots available for the airlines. The fewer pilots available for the airlines, the higher the pay will have to go.

It's all good.

Well, substitute the last part with 'the fewer pilots available for the airlines, the airlines lower standards.' And add a 'wash, rinse, repeat', and it may be a little more accurate.

(JIMHO)

Mike734 · June 8th, 2007, 11:21

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Originally Posted by SpiraMirabilis

Well, substitute the last part with 'the fewer pilots available for the airlines, the airlines lower standards.' And add a 'wash, rinse, repeat', and it may be a little more accurate.

(JIMHO)

You mean they could go lower?

June 4th, 2007, 16:05	#1
RMSluk Newbie Join Date: Mar 2006 Posts: 3	CFI's URGENTLY NEEDED Falcon Aviation Academy which operates out of 4 locations in the greater Atlanta area is in need of 15-20 CFI's in the next 30 days. We are expanding our international market (Primarily students from India) while simultaneously supporting a regional airline (ASA) with their need for pilots. We offer health benefits, good pay, subsidized living accomodations (some locations) and a inside track to ASA after 6-8 months of employment with us as a CFI. CFII and MEI preferred but we will work with you on obtaining same either through reduced cost or 12 month timeframe committment as CFI with us. Please email us at: Jobs@falconaviationacademy.com

June 4th, 2007, 16:14	#2
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 9,840	Re: CFI's URGENTLY NEEDED If anyone is interested, and wants a clean environment to work (that's NOT Florida). . .I'd highly suggest applying. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \| IVAW \| ACLU \|

June 5th, 2007, 09:39	#3
LAFF Junior Member Join Date: Mar 2007 Posts: 122	Re: CFI's URGENTLY NEEDED I shoud apply..I speak Hindi and Punjabi fluently... -LAFF

June 5th, 2007, 09:55	#4
SmitteyB Old Skool Join Date: Nov 2004 Location: Ithaca, NY Posts: 1,957	Re: CFI's URGENTLY NEEDED Namaste, Kaise ho?

June 6th, 2007, 01:25	#7
av8sean Senior Member Join Date: Jan 2001 Location: Toronto/DTW Posts: 486	Re: CFI's URGENTLY NEEDED I can only imagine a hotlanta humid 172 cabin with a student from India... BO + curry smell + unusual attitudes training = uncontrollable vomit...

June 6th, 2007, 12:17	#10
ftyflyboy Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Cincinnati Posts: 154	Re: CFI's URGENTLY NEEDED What is a average billable month? How much of the teaching is multi? What are your pay rates for flight and ground and how is the schedule? Thanks, Eric

June 7th, 2007, 12:29	#19
Bwatz Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 33	Re: CFI's URGENTLY NEEDED Starting pay is $12/hr.

June 7th, 2007, 14:39	#21
Bwatz Junior Member Join Date: Jul 2005 Posts: 33	Re: CFI's URGENTLY NEEDED It does go up, but starting pay is way low. (Please don't think I am trying to justify the low pay.) I think you can top out at $20/hour. Things may have changed, but I doubt it. Back in January 2002 starting pay was $14. Then you got a $2.00 raise for II, and MEI. I can't remember when they dropped it down to $12. I do know that starting pay as of last March was only $12/hour. BTW, Falcon is not a large aviation academy. Its actually a very small school. The instructors do get the added benefit of wearing the monkey suit... (Another major flaw)

June 7th, 2007, 15:04	#22
surreal1221 Old Skool Join Date: Jul 2006 Location: Alpha Tango Lima Posts: 9,840	Re: CFI's URGENTLY NEEDED As I understand it, pay starts @ $12. $2 increase for every Wings Program that you complete, along with each upgrade to II, or MEI. So, say you do 3 Wings programs, that's an extra $6 hourly wage - so now you're @ $18 dollars. Say you finally become an MEI, so another $2, so $20 hourly now. I personally think, that. . .pay, CFI pay, will gradually increase over the next few months to a year. All of these academies that cater to international students are going to have to find a way to keep their American instructors to stay just a little bit longer. Pay greater than first year FO @ a regional is one way. Just my opinion, and certainly does not reflect what I think Falcon will do in the future. __________________ AGI.MEI.CFI.CFII.FO.CRJ2 \| Josh \| The TRoP \| Rmble On \| ALPA \| IVAW \| ACLU \|

June 7th, 2007, 23:58	#23
Mike734 Junior Member Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Near Seattle Posts: 89	Re: CFI's URGENTLY NEEDED The more guys that go to the Regionals, the less instructors. The less instructors, the higher instructor pay will go. The higher instructor pay gets, the more expensive it will be to learn to fly. The more expensive it is to learn to fly, the fewer the number of pilots available for the airlines. The fewer pilots available for the airlines, the higher the pay will have to go. It's all good. __________________ Be Brief Be Brilliant Be Gone

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